Do not permanent ban scammers.

Logically, they decided to do it. But, the people that would be let back aren't basing their actions on logic at all. The type of people that we are mainly talking about are those who happen to have a moment of weakness, or just aren't thinking and decide to scam. They get banned, and decide it was a dumb thing to do. Never being allowed back to the community, which they might love, really kills them inside and makes them not care as much. They will ban evade to get back anyways, and rebanning them will just continue to make them mad and unhappy. These things make the person, who could have been a great community member turn into someone who DDoses the site and joins just to scam. Giving these type of people, a chance to come back, if after a long time they have done nothing else wrong and have tried to right their wrong, would benefit them and us.

 

If you don't agree with the rules that are implemented then why join the site to begin with? This isn't special ED, this is an online community and people should be fully aware of all of the rules that are in place and capable of controlling their weakness to scam at all times. They scam, and like I said before they know what they're doing is completely wrong, and they know all the consequence's that come with it. Weakness or not if they can't comprehend common sense, then they shouldn't be here to begin with.

 

"And why do you believe scamming is so terrible?"

I find this highly disturbing, personally. Scamming is stealing. It shows a lack of honesty, and lack of trustworthyness. If someone steals in the past, there is a distinct president set. A marketplace set a large amount on trust can not stand untrustworthy members. I would no more trade with a scammer of 5 dollars then I would hire a person who has shoplifted from my store in the past.

 

You make it seem like 12 and 13 year olds are perfect and logically and never make mistakes. In reality they are dumb immature people who make mistakes constantly, and change.

Stealing isn't that bad of a crime. Have you ever downloaded anything illegally? Technically, thats stealing. You also missed the point. The people who scam can come back to Sythe, without being able to trade on Sythe ever again. Then the only reason for a perm ban is punishment, which seems harsh and hurts everyone and helps no one.

 

Not all scammers are 12-13, and even if they're when I was around 13 I knew a lot better than to steal something that didn't belong to me. They're not baby's and shouldn't be treated as the victim, you live and you learn. Being banned will teach them if they want good things in life they'll have to work for it. Being dumb and immature is not an excuse to get away with anything.

 

How are they getting away with it?

 

Stupid Idea is Stupid.
Obviously you haven't been scammed before (SuF)
Giving scammers a second chance, because "they have changed" is complete bullshit.
There is no such thing as being able to judge a person as trust worthy and honest over a computer, and even less so being able to give a person a second chance that has shown that untrustworthiness and lack of honesty.
In other words, you're assumed to be loyal until you break that code(scam), and once you do.. you no longer belong at Sythe.

With out being able to trade ever again hah, thats all bs.
Just because they have that title does not mean they cannot trick others into being scammed again.

 

Actually, no. I don't torrent, etc. Why don't you think "stealing isn't that bad a crime"? If someone stole my car, my camera, or 5 bucks of mine, I'd consider them all thieves. We don't want a community with scammers. If they've scammed, then get the scum off here.

 

If they're unbanned they're not suffering the consqeuences of their actions, essentially getting away with it.

 

i think that if there is a 100% clarity that they have scammed they should be ip banned. and end that scammer from comming back.

 

We live we learn we crash we burn, although I believe second chances are warranted in some situations, in others like scamming they aren't. The main reason behind this is that you need people to be scared of the punishment , and in the case of scamming many would argue that $20 would be worth the chance of a temp ban, and quite honestly a rule like this would only hurt the overall community. Yes there are people that learn from their mistakes, but at the same time percentages say that if you steal once your more than likely going to steal again, and this single fact is why scaming should be a permanent ban period!

 

Ip's can be easily changed or a simple proxy site would work so in the end ip bans=useless!

 

I'd be fine with letting them go with a permanent TWC, ban from all markets and a user title thats in capitals and bolded red "SCAMMER", and a permanent ban from all other sub forums except for one of their choice, the one that would cause them to evade. This is only if they've proven to be a good character within their chosen sub forum. Also no private messaging.

 

Not a bad idea, but considering that if you scam once you're very likely to scam again. And as others pointed out, no one wants a market ban, etc. They'll probably make a new account.

 

Thanks for the flame! I have been scammed before, and like most people that get scammed, it was my own fault for being a moron. How would they trick people into scamming them? They can't post in the market, if they PM there will be massive signs saying scammer don't trade. If they scam over MSN, well, they could have done that anyways. People make mistakes, and should be allowed a second chance.

Its stealing. Your not doing any damage to a person that can not be replaced. Thus, its not that bad of a crime.

So, you think that scammers deserve a life long punishment of being banned from Sythe.org for scamming someone? If they are a cold hearted scammer that just wants cash, sure get them out of here. If they are just a kid who fucked up, let them show that they feel bad and have changed.

IP bans don't work.

Finn is a scammer. He isn't banned. People would get perm banned. They could, after a long time, a year, dispute the ban and ask for a pardon of sorts. This would be different from the high pardons forum, as this one would let people back more easily, but all with the same ranks and such. The staff could also keep an eye on these members, so that they could tell the moment someone did something wrong. No real scammer would wait a year to get their account back that is completely worthless.

Why only one subforum? That makes no sense.

They fucked up. They won't be allowed to trade on Sythe anymore. If they ban evade, them getting unbanned goes out the window. If not, then they could come back with a market ban and such and accept that they can no longer trade.

 

Scam is ban, if you don´t want that then don´t scam. Otherwise face the consequenses. Pretty much the most stupidest idea I´ve seen on this board.

 

Read the thread and you might understand.

 

Still, this is stupid.
Are you planning to scam SuF, and not get banned for it?
That's pretty much the only logical assumption i can make for you wanting this to occur, even though you said you have been scammed before.

 

I have and it´s just bullshit, thanks .

 

Banning them from all sub forums, besides one makes perfect sense. Considering if its the only section that would cause them to evade, then why allow them to post anywhere's else? That'd just be greedy, they'd be lucky to get anything to begin with. Also you're just answering questions with more questions, try answering a few and explain your self better no one has time to read 6 pages.