Do not ban for offsite activities...

The same Principal still applies even if it was a year, where is the reason to trust they won't do it again?

 

Only thing it does accomplish is possibly protecting users... Yes, they may be leechers, but there's really no reason to let them even have the possibility to scam. They'll continue making accounts and they'll be banned... Especially with Spyike going after them>.>..

It's a maturity things. People don't "change" overnight.
Again, it depends on how big the trade is. $200 I'd say no they shouldn't come back; it shows they don't have high morals.
While if it's a pin, yes they should come back and possibly with a TwC depending on mods' views.

 

I'l use your logic for a second.

We are talking about the guy who scammed someone $200 bucks for a runescape account a couple years ago, off sythe. Lets say.

They make a leecher account, and someone finds out that they scammed within the first week of being on Sythe. Because they have been proven a scammer in the past doesn't mean that they will scam again. They could. They could not. If they are a scammer, they want to scam. They will vade if you ban them. Nothing will stop them from scamming. Thats been shown over and over again with all the vaders sythe bans every day. Why not wait until they scam and its been proven that they haven't changed to ban them? They will just vade the ban anyways, and people will get scammed no matter what.

 

The possibility? To vade. You use a proxy. Make a new email. A new MSN. Get a bot to do the last two for you. Get a list of proxies. Make a bot make you sythe accounts each with a different proxy. It would take all of a minute to get back on sythe to keep scamming with no connection between the accounts. Only idiots get caught vading. You are not protecting users by precautionarily banning users. You are just hurting the community by banning people who may not be scammers. They deserve a chance.

You should be banned right now. There is no reason to trust that you won't scam. Everyone on Sythe should be banned, because they could scam.

We don't want scammers here. Once they have been proven scammers, we cut off their access to the account so that they have to start afresh with no trust.

 

Yes but how can you get a clear rule out of that? and how can you determine whether or not the person has matured? I agree if it was a pin a few years ago they should not be banned. But what SuF is looking for in an exact rule and if you include variables like that you will not come up with one

 

Giving mods complete say over who gets banned and what not is how it goes on now and it leads to unfair bans and not bans.

 

It needs to be clear to the members what is bannable and what is not. Having users unsure if they can admit to their faults in the past hurts the community and breeds secrecy. We want an open good community, and users being scared of being banned doesn't help at all.

 

It's true, you only get caught evading if you're retarded. Thing is 98% of Sythe are full retards.

They deserve a chance if the scam was a while ago and I said this earlier in the thread>.<.
Still, very big trades I don't think they should have the chance to come back. It takes certain people to scam very high dollar amounts.

 

The difference is they have proven themselves untrustworthy in the past.

They have proven themselves scammers, only in the past. I'm saying they still are and in many situations i would say to trust them, but who's to say which time to trust and which time to not

 

Well you never specified this, which is why i have been leaning on the more extreme banning option.

I think minor offenses should be let off with a warning and large scale more recent scams should earn a perm. ban.

it's up to someone else to work out the details of which is considered what

 

Adding these exceptions just hurts the process. There is a clause in the rules that lets the mods do what ever they want. If someone scammed like 700 bucks, a mod might take notice and be like. Hey other mods, lets talk about this. And talk to him. And watch him.

A leecher with 0 posts is going to be assumed a scammer anyways. Their past doesn't mean anything. You are assumed untrustworthy until you prove otherwise.

Um. It should be applied equally to everyone until they show that they are scammers or such.

 

without reading the 5 pages im going to post this.

Off of sythe.org should be non of sythe.org's business or concern

and for the people saying if you scam on powerbot you should be banned here, whats to say that the people dealing with the case wern't bios, whos to say they made the right decision that "Yes the person scammed"

 

Support, but depending on the rule broken, maybe they should be banned.

 

I disagree i think some examples of past scamming warrent a ban, such as someone scamming 200$

I think some should be forgiven, such as someone scamming a pin, in game pixels, ect.

 

This means that it wouldn't matter if you banned them from the start because either way that person will end up scamming again.

This just means that stronger rules need to be made regarding trades, or that people need to... pay attention to who they are trading with.

 

What rules should be bannable and which shouldn't?

Right. Bans don't prevent scamming, they just make it more annoying. Education prevents scamming but thats not what this is about. This is about trying to improve the community by giving people a chance.

 

I'm all for educating people on how to conduct a trade properly and how to avoid scams, etc. I just don't agree with not banning people who scammed offsite, they are still scammers. Most people won't trade with new accounts without using an OMM/trusted MM. Education > Not banning offsite scammers.

 

I'm not trying to stop scamming. I'm trying to make the community a better place and to allow people a fair chance at making it better.

 

Why would you want to give scammers a chance to make something better. Doesn't seem like that would work out too well in the majority. Finn alone isn't the majority of people.

 

We do not know that they are a scammer. We are assuming the are by banning them. Give them a chance. There is no reason not to.