Dear shredderbeam, what is proof?

[Fallen Soul]

Well I'm not going to debate on the fact of deadzone not being able to comprehend the absence of heat, and light.

I don't think this thread was ever intended to prove god, it was more of a question to shredder asking to what extent. To solve this now you will never be able to to prove god to 100% because he himself wont let you. That's contradiction this meaning of free will and letting you do whatever you want, he will never force you to believe in him. That takes away a lot of the faith aspect. He will reveal himself to people through his works.

 

[Snowboard-Ninja]

I've read this many times. This sort-of is like the teapot theory, except from the perspective of a christian. But that's the whole point, you can never proove there is not a god.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Well I'm not going to debate on the fact of deadzone not being able to comprehend the absence of heat, and light.

I don't think this thread was ever intended to prove god, it was more of a question to shredder asking to what extent. To solve this now you will never be able to to prove god to 100% because he himself wont let you. That's contradiction this meaning of free will and letting you do whatever you want, he will never force you to believe in him. That takes away a lot of the faith aspect. He will reveal himself to people through his works.

He will not let himself be proven? That presumes that he exists, doesn't it?

I've read this many times. This sort-of is like the teapot theory, except from the perspective of a christian. But that's the whole point, you can never proove there is not a god.

I don't think you understand. You also can't prove that there's no teapot, or santa, or burrowing pink bunnies on the dark side of the moon.

 

[Snowboard-Ninja]

Why do you always resort to childish humor when you have no response?...

 

[hm0ng]

Why do you always resort to childish humor when you have no response?...

Didn't your punk ass leave?

 

[Jesse]

fuck that

religion is a story that people took too seriously, like the old Greeks

 

[Snowboard-Ninja]

Yeah, I did leave...Prevan happens to be one of my best friends and he linked me to this page on msn.

Ga je vader pijpen

 

[lock]

haha i read the whole thing...

good story.

 

[Fallen Soul]

He will not let himself be proven? That presumes that he exists, doesn't it?

Not to the extent that you want. You want it laid out word for word and there to be proof that indefinitely proves his existence? Well sorry hes not going to do that. That's a huge part of the faith. He will show you he exists but he's not going to come down from heaven put on a magic show to prove to you that he exists he does it through his works and his people. So he does show himself and reveal himself AND leaves evidence....but hes not going to do it how you wanted. It took me a long bit of time to learn, understand and fully comprehend it so I'm not expecting you to get it from this post. But if you did that would be a work of god seeing as how your pretty opposed to the god idea.

 

[Dennis (:]

God is real you can talk to him on iGod

 

[Tgump]

Not to the extent that you want. You want it laid out word for word and there to be proof that indefinitely proves his existence? Well sorry hes not going to do that. That's a huge part of the faith. He will show you he exists but he's not going to come down from heaven put on a magic show to prove to you that he exists he does it through his works and his people. So he does show himself and reveal himself AND leaves evidence....but hes not going to do it how you wanted. It took me a long bit of time to learn, understand and fully comprehend it so I'm not expecting you to get it from this post. But if you did that would be a work of god seeing as how your pretty opposed to the god idea.

You still presume a God exists.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Not to the extent that you want. You want it laid out word for word and there to be proof that indefinitely proves his existence? Well sorry hes not going to do that. That's a huge part of the faith. He will show you he exists but he's not going to come down from heaven put on a magic show to prove to you that he exists he does it through his works and his people. So he does show himself and reveal himself AND leaves evidence....but hes not going to do it how you wanted. It took me a long bit of time to learn, understand and fully comprehend it so I'm not expecting you to get it from this post. But if you did that would be a work of god seeing as how your pretty opposed to the god idea.

Your assumption is that he exists, but quality proof is hard to find. This is a flawed assumption, as obviously, you could be wrong. There might be no God.

Why do you believe in God?

 

[Fallen Soul]

Your assumption is that he exists, but quality proof is hard to find.

No its not that quality proof is hard to find its that he wants you to believe in him through faith, not based on the fact that he pulled a trick out of a hat to show you.

This is a flawed assumption, as obviously, you could be wrong. There might be no God.

You are correct, but its also flawed to assume that he does not exist. There is no 100% way to prove him as real of imaginary.

Why do you believe in God?[/QUOTE]
Because I choose to believe that we are here for a purpose, and not an accident.

 

[lildude2006]

ha prevan going to church bs.

 

[Shredderbeam]

No its not that quality proof is hard to find its that he wants you to believe in him through faith, not based on the fact that he pulled a trick out of a hat to show you.

But by saying that you assume that he exists! What if he doesn't?

You are correct, but its also flawed to assume that he does not exist. There is no 100% way to prove him as real of imaginary.

Same with aliens in the center of the moon, santa claus, talking rabbits, etc. Is it irrational to discount all of these because they can't be proven definitively wrong?

Because I choose to believe that we are here for a purpose, and not an accident.

I'm looking for a rational reason that you believe in God. Note that if I used your argument, I could say that I believed in some alien race that told me to kill people - simply because I choose to believe that we are here for a purpose.

 

[The Riddler_]

It is impossible to prove God is real. No one will fully believe he is real unless he himself comes out and shows he is. If a random person with powers does healing + other things and claim he's the second coming of Jesus, people will still question him if he is real until the last moment possible.

He wouldn't show himself directly because he let's us have free will, if he came out and showed himself, he would more scare people into believing because of the fear of hell.

 

[lock]

well theres 2 main theories you can look at..

theory of evolution

and theory of god.

the bible doesnt say anything about the dinosaurs, so if god did create them why not mention it? as if he came after the dinosaurs.

we have proof of evolution from fossil findings, but the ancient egyptions have many astrological readings on there pyramid that talks about THE god(S)
the bible has either a code in the numbers and words in a certain chapter that have somthing to do with the signs of cancer, Aquarius, ect. ...

so if astrology, and astronomy are linked.

this subject is like a line or a circle.. keeps going and going or you end up at the same place that gives you a big question.

 

[The Riddler_]

well theres 2 main theories you can look at..

theory of evolution

and theory of god.

the bible doesnt say anything about the dinosaurs, so if god did create them why not mention it? as if he came after the dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs were in the bible. Look in Genesis.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Dinosaurs were in the bible. Look in Genesis.

That's interpretable. All it mentioned was "Leviathan" and "Behemoth", which are taken to mean the crocodile and hippopotamus by many modern biblical scholars.

 

[x⁹]

Here we go...more Christian propaganda...



Fail. Evolution can be observed indirectly.

Incorrect. Macroevolution has never been witnessed. Microevolution has, however.

That is not what science says, at all.

Science finds that every single human being that has been tested, either by a brain scan or by brain surgery, is in possession of a brain. Humans without their brains are unable to function, and humans with damage to their brain have damaged functions. It is thus reasonable to assume that the function of the body is entirely dependent upon the possession of a brain, to the extent that if we find a human who is able to function, we almost certainly know that they have a working brain. If questions arise, the human can be called in for a MRI.

That particular situation is just an example. Have you even seen $2.5 billion dollars? If not, then how do you know it exists?

The argument in this case is against agnosticism.

What the hell? What kind of answer is that?

It does not have to be taken on faith, at all. Everything in a scientific perspective can be taken on logic and evidence. Everything.

Anyway, yes, I'll still pay $5,000 for you to prove the existence of a God (not post something about faith, actually prove it).

Again, macroevolution hasn't even been observed yet many scientists claim that it has happened. That's sounds a lot like faith to me.