Brexit

[Xier0]

HOLY FUCK BASED NIGEL


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[GTX 970]

What's it like being a xenophobe? Please enlighten me.

Rewarding surprisingly after Thursday, just how we get treated outside of the uk. The EU's attitude towards Britain voting leave is just another example of the respect we get from the so called big players. All jumping to the worst possible scenario because butt hurt members of the EU now know what the majority of the UK feel. Bring on other countries referendums and see the future of a failing EU. Don't get narrow minded, remember 17m people wanted out. No need for the racism act of attitude towards all of us.

 

[Buyacc]

 

[Micronic]

I voted out, and here is why..

Everyone should watch this

 

[Logic]

It amuses me how people still believe that we can fix bureaucracy by adding another layer of EU bureaucracy. Just pure lulz.

I'll admit it, EU needs the UK, the UK doesn't need the EU. My home country, Estonia, needs the EU and needs the UK in it, but the simple fact that you can bribe small countries to outvote UK (or any other country) should be enough of a reason for the UK to get out. It's very cheap to buy the smaller countries votes. Does anyone really believe that the EU is trying to help the smaller EU states? It's such an obvious bribe that it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. It sort of sucks for my country that the UK is getting out, but I am happy for the brits.

 

I believe it will benefit us eventually, the first few years will be a struggle though!

 

[Xier0]

Everyone should watch this

@Kiro - You can skip to 53:00 to see exactly how you are wrong about Switzerland.

 

By not following regulations that reduce value for the consumer.

You're not telling me "how" they can provide a better service.

Exactly. EU regulations make it so that consumers/businesses must pay the extra costs of the regulation, or pay the extra costs of importing from a non-EU state since local businesses will be shut down if they try to compete.

So there is no prohibition.

Your words:

You have no choice but to use EU regulated businesses in EU member states.

I didn't quote tarriffs, I quoted your source where it listed other trade barriers imposed by the EU (subsidies and regulations)

There are no trade barriers. How is that not getting through your head?

@Kiro - You can skip to 53:00 to see exactly how you are wrong about Switzerland.

Wrong in what way?

 

[Xier0]

There are no trade barriers. How is that not getting through your head?

Read the quote I pulled from your source, stop being in denial. You should vet your sources instead of Googling propaganda.

So there is no prohibition.

Your words:

False again, imported goods still must comply with EU regulations.

Wrong in what way?

You said the UK thrives off of the EU, the video shows how the UK is damaged by the EU and how Switzerland thrives from NOT being in the EU.

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Here's just a sample of these regulations

EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration

EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.

Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.

 

Read the quote I pulled from your source, stop being in denial. You should vet your sources instead of Googling propaganda.

Explain to me how that quote relates to trade barriers being active? The source literally says, one of the benefits of the EU is lack of trade barriers (was abolished decades ago). Can you provide a source that says otherwise?

False again, imported goods still must comply with EU regulations.

Do you understand what "no choice" means?

You said the UK thrives off of the EU, the video shows how the UK is damaged by the EU and how Switzerland thrives from NOT being in the EU.

False equivalence. Switzerland was never part of the EU, so comparing a country that never was within the EU to a country leaving the EU to show that it's possible to have the same economic prosperity is inconsistent and illogical.

The European Union is Switzerland's largest trading partner, and Switzerland is the EU's fourth largest trading partner. Switzerland accounts for 5.2% of the EU's imports; mainly chemicals, medicinal products, machinery, instruments and time pieces. In terms of services, the EU's exports to Switzerland amounted to €67.0 billion in 2008 while imports from Switzerland stood at €47.2 billion.

Switzerland is one of the 4 member states that have trade relations with the EU. To say there is no prosperity with trade in the EU is false.

The argument that they can just join the EFTA like Switzerland and Norway and still not contribute to the budget is also a dream.

Well, the short answer is no, I don’t. Why would the other 27 Member States of the European Union give the UK all of the benefits and none of the costs? [...] If the UK tried to be like Norway and join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) or the European Economic Area (EEA), it might still be able to get access to the Single Market, but in those circumstances it would still follow all of the relevant EU rules for selling goods and services, it would be subject to the rules on free movement of people, and the UK would have no formal influence over the legislative process – no MEPs, no Commissioner, no seats on the Council. The UK would also still have to pay into the EU budget…

The UK could be more like Switzerland and negotiate on a case-by-case basis, more of a “pick and choose” approach but, again, where the UK got access to the Single Market it would need to follow the rules the EU is setting without influencing them. It’s also worth mentioning it took nine years for Switzerland to negotiate the first set of agreements, and sixteen years to get to the position it’s currently in…

 

[Xier0]

Explain to me how that quote relates to trade barriers being active

Here is the quote from your source:

EU company law
EU legislation is binding for EU member states. The governments of member states must incorporate EU laws into their national legislation.

Some EU company law is also in the form of non-binding 'recommendations' or 'opinions'.

The European Commission has developed and implemented various policy measures to assist small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in Europe. These policies are intended to help the set up and continuing success of SMEs.

EU-wide technical and safety standards ensure that if you meet UK standards you'll also meet the standards of other EU countries.

Does this look like removing trade barriers to you? The EU is a regulatory body - it can only make trade less free.

Subsidies and enforced regulations are trade barriers.

Do you understand what "no choice" means?

Fine, they can choose to buy off the black market illegally. Thanks for the solid contribution.

Switzerland was never part of the EU, so comparing a country that never was within the EU to a country leaving the EU to show that it's possible to have the same economic prosperity is inconsistent and illogical.

Moving the goalposts. When will you ever prove your original claim that the UK thrives off the EU? I've proven how the Swiss thrive without the EU, hold up your end of the deal.

You're saying "look at Switzerland" like they ever had to thrive off the EU in the same capacity as the UK.

Switzerland is one of the 4 member states that have trade relations with the EU. To say there is no prosperity with trade in the EU is false.

...I already told you this when you claimed that the UK thrived off the EU because they trade primarily with EU countries, then I proved that Switzerland also trades primarily with EU countries.

 

Here is the quote from your source:

Non-tariff barriers.

Find, they can choose to buy off the black market illegally. Thanks for the solid contribution.

Find? I'm going to assume you meant "fine". You contradicted yourself there by backpedaling.

Moving the goalposts. When will you ever prove your original claim that the UK thrives off the EU? I've proven how the Swiss thrive without the EU, hold up your end of the deal.

Again, using words you don't know how to use correctly. It thrives off the EU through trade, I've explained how in the last two pages. Switzerland does thrive off the EU as well. Look at both the Uk and Switzerland and tell me who are their largest trading partners.

...I already told you this when you claimed that the UK thrived off the EU because they trade primarily with EU countries, then I proved that Switzerland also trades primarily with EU countries.

Let me introduce to you... The EU single market.

The Single Market refers to the EU as one territory without any internal borders or other regulatory obstacles to the free movement of goods and services. A functioning Single Market stimulates competition and trade, improves efficiency, raises quality, and helps cut prices. The European Single Market is one of the EU’s greatest achievements. It has fueled economic growth and made the everyday life of European businesses and consumers easier.

 

[Xier0]

Non-tariff barriers.

I know. That's why I said "subsidies and regulations", not "tarriffs"

It thrives off the EU through trade, I've explained how in the last two pages. Switzerland does thrive off the EU as well. Look at both the Uk and Switzerland and tell me who are their largest trading partners. Let me introduce to you... The EU single market.

We've already been here, so I'll use just quote where I proved you wrong last time:

Trade is independent of the EU. These countries traded with each other before the EU. Thriving off trade =/= thriving off of the EU

 

I know. That's why I said "subsidies and regulations", not "tarriffs"

No, you're confused. Non-tariff barriers was a response to subsidies. These barriers don't restrict trade. "Regulations" isn't a barrier. Free trade would imply there are no restrictive barriers.

We've already been here, so I'll use just quote where I proved you wrong last time:

If that's the case, then why do countries like Switzerland and Norway have trade relations with the EU?

 

[Xier0]

"Regulations" isn't a barrier.

Regulations are a barrier. You can't lie your way out of this one.

Why do countries like Switzerland and Norway have trade relations with the EU?

Take away the collective terms to be clear:

-Why do Swiss businesses have trade relations with businesses in EU countries-

 

Regulations are a barrier. You can't lie your way out of this one.

Different types of trade barriers

Take away the collective terms to be clear:

-Why do Swiss businesses have trade relations with businesses in EU countries-

That was a question for you to answer, just to be clear.

 

[Xier0]

Different types of trade barriers

? This isn't an argument.

That was a question for you to answer, just to be clear.

People/businesses trade with each other to generate wealth. Note that there is no "Switzerland" trading with "EU", businesses in Switzerland trade with businesses in EU countries, as they have since BEFORE there was an EU.

 

? This isn't an argument.

Where do you see "regulations" under the different types of trade barriers?

People/businesses trade with each other to generate wealth. Note that there is no "Switzerland" trading with "EU", businesses in Switzerland trade with businesses in EU countries, as they have since BEFORE there was an EU.

Switzerland can trade with the countries in the EU directly, like you said.

 

[Xier0]

Where do you see "regulations" under the different types of trade barriers?

Are you implying that that is an all-inclusive list of trade barriers and that in order for regulations to be trade barriers they must be on that list?

I already said you aren't going to lie your way out of this one.

Trade regulations are trade barriers.

Switzerland can trade with the countries in the EU directly, like you said.

Yes they can, like they have since before there was an EU.

 

Are you implying that that is an all-inclusive list of trade barriers and that in order for regulations to be trade barriers they must be on that list?

I already said you aren't going to lie your way out of this one.

Trade regulations are trade barriers.

Regulation - a rule or directive made and maintained by an authority

Under what circumstance, using the guide (link I provided) would that fall under a "trade barrier". You're free to use sources, although that's rare from you, you like to make things up along the way.

Yes they can, like they have since before there was an EU.

Then why haven't they done that? Surely you can't prosper off the EU.