9/11/01.. Government Set-Up?

[Shin]

Watching United 175 flying into one of the worlds tallest buildings, carrying hundreds of people and killing thousends more. All live on TV, It was terrorists. The Government would not blow up such a massive buisiness place in such a merciless way.

Retard. Government is the number one cause of unnatural death in the world.

Agreed.

And, what evidence do you have proving that it wasn't that Government?
How do you know that it wasn't the Government?

Oh, because they were from Iraq? That proves nothing.

 

[The Fat Controller]

Yeah I do: Are you fucking blind?

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The pentagon 'released a tape' they quote 'found in a house'. Does planted evidence even come in a more obvious form?

That isn't proof that the video is faked. Osama doesn't look like Osama in the video because it has been converted from PAL to NTSC, as that modifies the aspect ratio. Correct the aspect ratio and it is unmistakably bin Laden.

And while you're at it, can you show that Osama's henchmen are fakes too?

I encourage you to actually look at the link: http://www.teamliberty.net/id372.html

Also, to you people saying the "government would never do something so cruel" and words to those effect, your argument is weak.

 

Yes, the government had something to do with it...

They did for their own benefits too, which is even more sickening.

 

[Shin]

Yes, the government had something to do with it...

What proof are you using for such an assumption?

They did for their own benefits too, which is even more sickening.

Which benefits did the Government gain in doing such an action?

 

[Desir0]

I think the government were involved with it in one way or another, Whether it was someone working for the government doing it without unauthorization, or a whole set up, Im not sure.

But from all the true statements i know about the 9/11, In my opinion it is obvious that it wasn't just a random act of terrorism.

 

[Shin]

I think the government were involved with it in one way or another, Whether it was someone working for the government doing it without unauthorization, or a whole set up, Im not sure.

Ah, so you just think it? You can't prove it?

But from all the true statements i know about the 9/11, In my opinion it is obvious that it wasn't just a random act of terrorism.

What true statements? Your opinion just makes it obvious?
-Argument from ignorance.

 

[Desir0]

It would have been proved if it could have been.

Theres so many conspiracy theories, But theres not usually any hard evidence to back it all up.

And as i havn't looked up about the 9/11 especially, I have just heard third hand of certain aspects of it, Thats all i can base my thoughts on.

 

That isn't proof that the video is faked. Osama doesn't look like Osama in the video because it has been converted from PAL to NTSC, as that modifies the aspect ratio. Correct the aspect ratio and it is unmistakably bin Laden.

And while you're at it, can you show that Osama's henchmen are fakes too?

I encourage you to actually look at the link: http://www.teamliberty.net/id372.html

Also, to you people saying the "government would never do something so cruel" and words to those effect, your argument is weak.

If you watch the original video:
http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/war/bin_laden_vid.ram

It will become apparent that there is nothing wrong with the aspect ratio, and yet the subject of the video still looks nothing like bin laden.

Notice the distinct lack of a notch on the nose in the screenshots of the video.

Not that it matters, nothing rides on the video being fake -- he was selected as the figure head for the war on terrorism and whether he's currently dead or not is of little relevance. It should be noted, however, that at least one bin laden expert has come forward to remark this video is a fake.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/february2007/190207Osama_tape.htm

It is alleged he also writes with his right hand in the video, when it is well known UBL is left handed. (I haven't gotten to this point in the video yet, but I will post back when I do.)

 

[wowhamba]

Ah, so you just think it? You can't prove it?

Both Sythe and Shredderbeam filled this thread with enough proof/evidence for everyone to conclude that 9/11 was an inside job or that the government had something to do with it. I suggest you get your head out of your ass and actually read with an open mind.

Also, stop acting tough.

 

Fat Controller,

I've found the part where bin laden is writing with the wrong hand. Skip forward to 33:00 on the video I linked you to.

 

[The Fat Controller]

It will become apparent that there is nothing wrong with the aspect ratio, and yet the subject of the video still looks nothing like bin laden.

He looks like bin Laden to me, even if it is a 5fps low quality video.

I did a quick test about aspect ratio myself, and after doing a bit of measurement with a profile-view of Osama's face (from the video you linked to me), it appears his head has about the same 'depth' as it is 'tall'. Normal bodily proportions would be in a 7:8 ratio. This suggests the video has got aspect ratio issues. PAL to NTSC conversion squashes images by about that amount. PAL would have been the standard for the original recording. But maybe the video was also edited oddly when adding in subtitles.

Fat Controller,

I've found the part where bin laden is writing with the wrong hand. Skip forward to 33:00 on the video I linked you to.

I write with my left, but otherwise my right hand is dominant. There is other footage out there showing Osama writing with his right hand. Or maybe he was just scrawling a quick note, he didn't spend long writing. It's a curiosity, but doesn't even go as far as suggesting that the man isn't bin Laden.

Notice the distinct lack of a notch on the nose in the screenshots of the video.

At 10:19 you can clearly see there's a notch on his nose.

Not that it matters, nothing rides on the video being fake -- he was selected as the figure head for the war on terrorism and whether he's currently dead or not is of little relevance. It should be noted, however, that at least one bin laden expert has come forward to remark this video is a fake.

http://www.infowars.net/articles/feb...Osama_tape.htm

Maybe it doesn't matter, there are other videos of him where he admits his guilt. There are others where he denies his involvement.

 

I write with my left, but otherwise my right hand is dominant. There is other footage out there showing Osama writing with his right hand. Or maybe he was just scrawling a quick note, he didn't spend long writing. It's a curiosity, but doesn't even go as far as suggesting that the man isn't bin Laden.

A very weak argument.

Remember, if this were a court of law, and this video were being shown as evidence, then the presenting party would need to substantiate their claims that this video is in fact of Bin Laden. (In other words the burden of proof lays with you.)

Given that the video is of very poor quality, and that the man in the video is clearly seen to be writing and eating with his right hand, and that the circumstances surrounding the alleged discovery of the video are dubious at best, I expect any sound judge in a court of law would dismiss this 'evidence' as unacceptable.

Is this an invalid point to make? No. Bin Laden was given a show trial through the media. If the official story of 9/11 really were true then this video alone would not be justification for conviction.

 

[The Fat Controller]

Given that the video is of very poor quality, and that the man in the video is clearly seen to be writing and eating with his right hand, and that the circumstances surrounding the alleged discovery of the video are dubious at best, I expect any sound judge in a court of law would dismiss this 'evidence' as unacceptable.

Osama would never eat with his left hand.

I wouldn't accept this video as solid proof of bin Laden's involvement in 9/11, but I don't think him and his henchmen are fakes.

 

[GamerPaladin332]

why do you people think this is a set up? i mean the administration sucks but not bad enough to be so stupid to kill 1000's of people... SERIOSULY?

 

why do you people think this is a set up? i mean the administration sucks but not bad enough to be so stupid to kill 1000's of people... SERIOSULY?

Yes, seriously.

If you want to start two decade long wars to rob the treasury and change the balance of power in the middle east, and you can do so by the simple act of blowing up a couple thousand people and blaming it on someone else, then how is that stupid? Militarily speaking that is a sound strategy, and historically speaking this would not be the first time it has been used successfully.

 

[iLeviathan]

Which benefits did the Government gain in doing such an action?

I think they did something so they made money off the buldings being destroyed, i do not remember but i ehard that, so it might not be true... but knowing the us governement, i really wouldnt be surprised.

 

[The Fat Controller]

why do you people think this is a set up? i mean the administration sucks but not bad enough to be so stupid to kill 1000's of people... SERIOSULY?

What you mean is that it's unlikely the Bush Administration would kill 1000s of US citizens. However, it's utterly stupid to dismiss the possibility based on that alone.

 

What you mean is that it's unlikely the Bush Administration would kill 1000s of US citizens. However, it's utterly stupid to dismiss the possibility based on that alone.

At least we are allied in fighting unintellectualism.

 

[AJ786]

l Personally i don't think the Bush Administration is genius enough to come up with this plan. I think that they knew it was coming and they happily allowed it to occur. But then again, I also don't think a guy in a cave was able to attack America on it's own soil.

If I had to pick one i'd say the US government has been waiting forever for something like this to occur. It justifies any action they take in the middle east and allows them to create stupid laws like the patriot act. The fear and confusion 9/11 created was used in justifying an attack on Iraq (wtf does Iraq have to do with it?!) and I find it ridiculous that Bush himself said that he wasn't completely interested in finding Bin Laden shortly after 9/11. So my guess would probably be the Bush administartion either aided or allowed the attacks on September 11 to occur.

 

[Triggerfinger]

This thread is sick. Why would we, argueably (SP?) the greatest country in the world, allow terrorists to attack our icon of Freedom and Prosperity? As well as let thousands of innocent American civilians die? We gained nothing out of 9/11...

Conspiracies are all part of the playbook for Traitors such as Michael Moore and his kind. Yes, I said traitors, why? Because they care so much about changing what America is that they would not defend the Freedom that allows them to speak out about it.

EDIT: To the guy above me, FYI Osama Bin laden isnt just another guy living in a cave. He was/is a rich man who owned several construction companies and I believe he was Saudi. Which generally makes him wealthy to begin with.