9/11/01.. Government Set-Up?

[The Fat Controller]

Oh please. Some steel frame buildings literally explode and you insist that it was caused by fire, when a steel framed building has never collapsed in the history of the world due to fire. You insist this whilst providing no demonstrable physical mechanism.

1) Planes crash into towers. That is, this;

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/papers/popescu/popescuWTCVIS07.pdf

2) Fires weakened the remaining steel support columns around the impact point. The columns then either buckled under the pressure, or the connections of the floor trusses to the columns broke and dynamic loads led to a progressive collapse.

I also quote a brilliant bit of "basic physics" from this paper I've been reading:

Here: http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/31114/61145960.pdf?sequence=1

See this side of the fence? This is the side on which the laws of physics are valid, my friend. You can stay in fairy land if you want. But you can't avoid metaphysical justice.

See the links above. Why are the laws of physics only valid on your side? Can I see some of the maths behind your reasoning, or peer-reviewed studies?

I also wonder why almost every scientist and engineer with relevant expertise is on my side. Maybe it's because they've been bought off by the government.

And in a year or two when there are black uniform police in your town, and riots and violence and general mayhem, you will remember this forum, and you will remember me. But by that time it will be too late. This is the price of your illusions: your life.

The price of me not believing that 9/11 was a conspiracy performed by the US government, with bin Laden in tow, will be my life?

 

[oops u fail]

Wow, it seems legit both way due to fact people are claiming to know, or have evidence of both sides. Done with.

 

[Rahul]

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Yeah just believe that while your country becomes a police state.

Modern America is a sick joke parody of a once great and once free nation. Go back to eating your GMO food and taking your mercury shots. The government will hyper-inflate your currency and turn you into thridworld slaves. 15% inflation this year alone. Just accept the media norm, even when it makes no sense whatever. Just ignore the fact your country is a massive empire in the process of power consolidation. Just ignore the fact that a small group of power elite are currently in the process of daylight robbery of the entire sum aggregate of all the wealth in america. They tell you its for your own good. 1000 to 1 phonecalls against the bailout bill and it still passes in congress. Two illegal wars, soon to be a third. Average savings rate of americans is negative. You are in debt. 10 trillion in treasury bonds which will never be repaid in hard currency. Empire empire empire. You stupid deluded fools.

Welcome to the two class system. The rulers and the ruled. Guess which class you are in? And guess what? Time's up. It's here. Enjoy hell on earth.

Well I'll be an officer in the military. If we go communist or even to a dictatorship I'd still be on the higher end of the food chain.

And listen to this. A bunch of uneducated fucks who hate their government just started to try anything to blame the government even if its on human errors or technological errors with the cameras or whatever. And unless YOUR the one who constructed the towers, don't even talk because EDUCATED scientist and engineers have already PROVED if a bigass plane like that crashes into the towers FULL of gas, it is VERY possible the towers would have fallen.

If you have not noticed a bunch of uneducated 'kids' and dumb fucks who just sit at home trying to blame the government for everything had started these conspiracies. Go to a scientist or an engineer and they'll disagree with these people who just sit at home.

One person maybe like There is FULL proof and evidence the towers could not fall.. Damn dumb fucks you just heard that from someone else who heard it from someone else and it just passed on and there is no evidence the towers could not fall if a jumbo jet full of fuel crashed into the tower at the angle it did. Because it HAS been proven all it takes is one of the planes to take down a tower.

 

[Shredderbeam]

And listen to this. A bunch of uneducated fucks who hate their government just started to try anything to blame the government even if its on human errors or technological errors with the cameras or whatever. And unless YOUR the one who constructed the towers, don't even talk because EDUCATED scientist and engineers have already PROVED if a bigass plane like that crashes into the towers FULL of gas, it is VERY possible the towers would have fallen.

I think perhaps you should attack the argument, not the arguer.

If you have not noticed a bunch of uneducated 'kids' and dumb fucks who just sit at home trying to blame the government for everything had started these conspiracies. Go to a scientist or an engineer and they'll disagree with these people who just sit at home.

One person maybe like There is FULL proof and evidence the towers could not fall.. Damn dumb fucks you just heard that from someone else who heard it from someone else and it just passed on and there is no evidence the towers could not fall if a jumbo jet full of fuel crashed into the tower at the angle it did. Because it HAS been proven all it takes is one of the planes to take down a tower.

You might be oversimplifying a bit.

Also, who proved it that a single plane could take down the towers?

 

Well I'll be an officer in the military. If we go communist or even to a dictatorship I'd still be on the higher end of the food chain.

And listen to this. A bunch of uneducated fucks who hate their government just started to try anything to blame the government even if its on human errors or technological errors with the cameras or whatever. And unless YOUR the one who constructed the towers, don't even talk because EDUCATED scientist and engineers have already PROVED if a bigass plane like that crashes into the towers FULL of gas, it is VERY possible the towers would have fallen.

If you have not noticed a bunch of uneducated 'kids' and dumb fucks who just sit at home trying to blame the government for everything had started these conspiracies. Go to a scientist or an engineer and they'll disagree with these people who just sit at home.

One person maybe like There is FULL proof and evidence the towers could not fall.. Damn dumb fucks you just heard that from someone else who heard it from someone else and it just passed on and there is no evidence the towers could not fall if a jumbo jet full of fuel crashed into the tower at the angle it did. Because it HAS been proven all it takes is one of the planes to take down a tower.

Yeah I get it. Unless I was there first hand all of my engineering education is completely worthless? You can't know anything from video, evidence, official reports, NIST investigations, scientific whitepapers, because the truth HAS to be hands-on?

Or maybe you're full of shit and you should go do some research and stop spitting fallacies.

None of the NIST scientists were there on the day. The WTC engineers openly stated they thought the buildings should have survived the plane attacks.

One of the exact points I have been trying to make here is that it HAS NOT been proven. The NIST reconstruction FAILED to provide a working mechanism to explain the collapse.

And, idiot, WTC 7 WASNT EVEN HIT BY A PLANE. And it still collapsed.

As a member of the military you'll have a good time being used for experimental drug, bioweapon, and vaccine testing, and having to shoot your own country-men. The US army has already been deployed in America.

Look up Operation Northwoods sometime.

 

[madhacker14]

Our government is horrible.
They dont care how many lives they take.
As long as they get there money, and kill some of our population.
For those who havn't realized its only the goverment, and the rich who will survive. =/

 

1) Planes crash into towers. That is, this;

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/papers/popescu/popescuWTCVIS07.pdf

2) Fires weakened the remaining steel support columns around the impact point. The columns then either buckled under the pressure, or the connections of the floor trusses to the columns broke and dynamic loads led to a progressive collapse.

I also quote a brilliant bit of "basic physics" from this paper I've been reading:

Here: http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/31114/61145960.pdf?sequence=1



See the links above. Why are the laws of physics only valid on your side? Can I see some of the maths behind your reasoning, or peer-reviewed studies?

I also wonder why almost every scientist and engineer with relevant expertise is on my side. Maybe it's because they've been bought off by the government.



The price of me not believing that 9/11 was a conspiracy performed by the US government, with bin Laden in tow, will be my life?

Look, you are just INTOLERABLY stupid to believe the official party line on this.

Of course there are phone books of junk science claiming to back up their arguments. But it is just that JUNK SCIENCE.

http://www.physics911.net/

Peer reviewed whitepapers there.

But as I have been saying, the official hypothesis is absolute nonsense.

This concept of progressive collapse requires that the floors break away from the core collumns and fall, symeterically, down the donought structure, piling up at the bottom. Therefore the visible collapse should consist of a SLOWING collapse, which leaves both the outer fly-mesh shell and the inner 47 core column laticework, with a pile of floors at the bottom AND NO MOLTEN STEEL.

But of course we see this instead:

I'm sorry, but all of the official party-line hypotheses are so miserably inept they make the official JFK conspiracy look good, and, in that case, the official story's shooter's rifle couldnt even physically fire shots that close together!

I mean you are literally asking me to believe that three very well constructed steel framed buildings collapsed on 9/11 at virtual free fall acceleation -- as measured by seizmometers miles from the site -- because of some small office fires and, in two cases, minor upper structural damage?

You are asking me to believe that asymeterical damage to steel framed buildings combined with oxygen starved office fires caused complete symeterical collapse of all major structural elements -- WITHOUT RESISTANCE. Without Resistance.

Why do we build structures from steel if its so pathetic at holding things up? Why don't we just to match sticks?

You would have to be the most ignorant and heavily brainwash SOD to believe such a patently absurd physical hypothesis. I would sooner believe the WORLD WAS FLAT, then that office fires can bring down three steel framed buildings at freefall acceleration, leaving behind molten steel.

I WOULD SOONER BELIEVE THAT GOD CAUSED THE BUILDINGS TO COLLAPSE THAN THAT MINOR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE CAN CAUSE COMPLETE SYSTEMIC FAILURE OF ALL STRUCTURAL CONNECTIONS IN THREE ENTIRE SKYSCRAPERS ON A SINGLE DAY.

You, sir, are a COMPLETE fool. I suggest, if you want the truth, you actually go find it.

 

[thorne_bro]

Ok, well, I found these images... And I was wondering... do you think they have any relevance? Or are they just some Photoshop failure?

Real or Photoshop Failure?

Edit : The fact that the devil in the second picture is staring straight at the photographer makes me skeptical...

 

[Shredderbeam]

Ok, well, I found these images... And I was wondering... do you think they have any relevance? Or are they just some Photoshop failure?

Real or Photoshop Failure?

Edit : The fact that the devil in the second picture is staring straight at the photographer makes me skeptical...

They're real, but it's very easy to find all sorts of shapes in clouds/smoke.

 

[Corupt3d]

I thought it was Terrorists until I saw this thread. After seeing your comments, I honestly don't know what to believe now >.<

 

[MatthewGor123]

Honestly, I don't have any scientific evidence. But just from gut instinct and my limited knowledge of physics, I don't think it was a government set-up - but hmm this is all extremely interesting. But just my two cents.

 

[jagexfails]

who knows?

 

[kamakazy_kid]

I highly doubt that It was a setup, Why would they kill so many people for it?

 

[$tom]

i think the government are corrupt but seriously i think its too much if it were which i highly doubt.
so i think it was some crazy bitches from iraq eg bin laden

 

[Shredderbeam]

I highly doubt that It was a setup, Why would they kill so many people for it?

To set the new global order in motion.

think the government are corrupt but seriously i think its too much if it were which i highly doubt.
so i think it was some crazy bitches from iraq eg bin laden

Osama bin Laden wasn't from Iraq.

 

[O Glitch O]

He was from Saudi Arabia

 

[dorantes1995]

TO be honest Im not exactly sure but i do think kinda think it was a set up because... the trade center collapsed as if it had bombs placed inside

 

[The Fat Controller]

To set the new global order in motion.

So, the scenario is this:

1) US Government destroys Twin Towers.
2) ????
3) The New Global Order is established.

 

[halomod9]

I don't believe in these theories.

 

[Dominick]

So, 9/11 was a setup right? I guess my friend's father who was on Flight 93 just magically vanished? Please don't tell me that our government hijacked that plane either since my friend spoke to his dad while it taken over and his father said that the men were Al Qaeda and did not speak English. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but how would the families who lost someone feel if you told them that it was just a big set up, a big game by our government to get new order.