9/11/01.. Government Set-Up?

This thread is sick. Why would we, argueably (SP?) the greatest country in the world, allow terrorists to attack our icon of Freedom and Prosperity? As well as let thousands of innocent American civilians die? We gained nothing out of 9/11...

Conspiracies are all part of the playbook for Traitors such as Michael Moore and his kind. Yes, I said traitors, why? Because they care so much about changing what America is that they would not defend the Freedom that allows them to speak out about it.

EDIT: To the guy above me, FYI Osama Bin laden isnt just another guy living in a cave. He was/is a rich man who owned several construction companies and I believe he was Saudi. Which generally makes him wealthy to begin with.

Well if you actually knew anything about your country then you would be highly suspicious of your government, rather than writing it a moral blank cheque. Why don't you go read the constitution and see how much of it still stands today?

 

[Shin]

Well if you actually knew anything about your country then you would be highly suspicious of your government, rather than writing it a moral blank cheque. Why don't you go read the constitution and see how much of it still stands today?

Well, yes.. I am very suspicious of my Government.

I mean, it's a Democracy, so what? We are "supposed" to have this Freedom to Vote, but it seems that we have lost the Freedom to live. The Government holds the "black finger", and uses it at their own discretion, in my opinion.

And about the Constitution. It's Ammendments have been revised/deleted over time, and a lot of it may seem to stand true, but in reality, it doesn't.

**This would be where Shredderbeam pops in asking me to post Emperical Evidence of Ammendments that don't stand today...

 

[bursitis]

Do you think that 9/11 was a true terrorist attack against the U.S, or the government had something do with it?

My honest opinion is.. the government had something to do with it. They did it to get us into war. Watch the conspiracy videos, they really make you think.

The conspiracy theory videos really stretch to find some weird coincidences. Some stuff, like the devils face in the smoke, isn't even real.

 

[Fate_Sealed3]

Don't dwell on the past, it's impossible to change it.

 

http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/bill/text.html

The Bill of Rights - Text Version

Here is the complete text of the original twelve amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

Article I


After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred representatives, nor less than one representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than two hundred representatives, nor more than one representative for every fifty thousand persons.
Article II

No law varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.
Article III

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Article IV

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Article V

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Article VI

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Article VII

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Article VIII

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Article IX

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Article X

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Article XI

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Article XII

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Triggerfinger]

Well if you actually knew anything about your country then you would be highly suspicious of your government, rather than writing it a moral blank cheque. Why don't you go read the constitution and see how much of it still stands today?

I love this country, I have my suspicions but 9/11 isn't one of them. I dont have a problem with the Patriot Act, as I think thats what you are insinuating (SP?)...I have nothing to hide, so spy on me all you want.

For the Bill of Rights you quoted...doesnt Obama want to infringe on the right to bear arms? I mean, stricter gun laws would do that...

 

I love this country, I have my suspicions but 9/11 isn't one of them. I dont have a problem with the Patriot Act, as I think thats what you are insinuating (SP?)...I have nothing to hide, so spy on me all you want.

For the Bill of Rights you quoted...doesnt Obama want to infringe on the right to bear arms? I mean, stricter gun laws would do that...

How can you love your country when you don't even support or understand the principles it was founded on?

Surely you mean you love your government. Well they don't love you, buddy.

 

[Triggerfinger]

Sure they love me, I'm still here typing about it with you? No one is going to come and break down my door and haul me away never to be seen again.

How can you say that I dont support or understand the principles that we were founded on? I still live in the USA and would never move out of it because of our principles, no matter how shady or grey they may be.

 

How can you say that I dont support or understand the principles that we were founded on? I still live in the USA and would never move out of it because of our principles, no matter how shady or grey they may be.

To anyone reading your posts it is blatantly obvious you haven't a clue what your nation is supposed to be about. Anyone who "doesn't have a problem with the Patriot Act" is no supporter of freedom nor of the US constitution and its original amendments.

Sure they love me, I'm still here typing about it with you? No one is going to come and break down my door and haul me away never to be seen again.

Naive. Incredibly naive.

[YOUTUBE]npWPwLcUyw0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Triggerfinger]

Anyone who "doesn't have a problem with the Patriot Act" is no supporter of freedom nor of the US constitution and its original amendments.

How do i not support freedom if I am willing to give it up for a short period of time to allow the Govt to find and prosecute those willing to do us harm? I just see the Patriot Act giving the Govt the ability to do their job better, without jumping through legal hoops. Sure, it was taken far a few times, but allowed the govt to stop unknown amount of sleeper cells in the USA. But this is getting more off topic with each post I believe as this is about 9/11 lol.

As for the amendments? IMO, we still have them...still have our guns (at least until Obama takes them away). We dont have illegal seizures, and if we do they dont hold up in court. Etc, etc.

As for the video, very interesting. The govt shouldnt have to tell the whole American population what they are doing as it does not benefit us. But if something like that happens (bad reactions, etc) then they should step up and share what they did.

By all means, make a thread about the Patriot Act

 

[wowhamba]

How do i not support freedom if I am willing to give it up for a short period of time to allow the Govt to find and prosecute those willing to do us harm? I just see the Patriot Act giving the Govt the ability to do their job better, without jumping through legal hoops. Sure, it was taken far a few times, but allowed the govt to stop unknown amount of sleeper cells in the USA.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

 

[DropKick Murphys]

How do i not support freedom if I am willing to give it up for a short period of time to allow the Govt to find and prosecute those willing to do us harm? I just see the Patriot Act giving the Govt the ability to do their job better, without jumping through legal hoops. Sure, it was taken far a few times, but allowed the govt to stop unknown amount of sleeper cells in the USA.

People like you are the reason I have given up any hope for freedom. You willingly sacrifice your liberty, and you demand that everybody else gives up their freedom for "safety"
Why is it ok for the government to do these things, but not other people?

 

[Triggerfinger]

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

This isn't temporary safety. This country is safer then it ever was thanks to that Act. The act may not be here still (its not is it?) and if it isnt this country is still safe. Why? because we already found out what we needed to and took action against them. Therefore this country will be at this level of safety and only continue to increase.

People like you are the reason I have given up any hope for freedom. You willingly sacrifice your liberty, and you demand that everybody else gives up their freedom for "safety"
Why is it ok for the government to do these things, but not other people?

I didnt demand that people give up their freedom for safety, but if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem? It is ok for the Govt to do these things, because it is their duty to protect the population of their country. Other people can't do these things because they do not have the power to do it. The gov't has checks and balances so one person doesnt have all the power, these acts cannot just appear because one person likes it. It has to be voted on and passed....besides America was all gung-ho about getting it. That is why not any Joe, Dick or Harry can make up Acts/Laws.

 

[Shredderbeam]

This isn't temporary safety. This country is safer then it ever was thanks to that Act. The act may not be here still (its not is it?) and if it isnt this country is still safe. Why? because we already found out what we needed to and took action against them. Therefore this country will be at this level of safety and only continue to increase.

The Patriot Act is still in effect, albeit a modified version of it.

Tell me, when will the "threat" be over?

I didnt demand that people give up their freedom for safety, but if you have nothing to hide, whats the problem?

Do you know what "abuse of power" means?

The gov't has checks and balances so one person doesnt have all the power, these acts cannot just appear because one person likes it. It has to be voted on and passed....besides America was all gung-ho about getting it. That is why not any Joe, Dick or Harry can make up Acts/Laws.

Not really:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_(United_States)

 

[wowhamba]

This isn't temporary safety. This country is safer then it ever was thanks to that Act. The act may not be here still (its not is it?) and if it isnt this country is still safe. Why? because we already found out what we needed to and took action against them. Therefore this country will be at this level of safety and only continue to increase.

As this so called 'Safety' increases, so will the rights of the citizens decrease.

Also, even if I had absolutely nothing to hide, that does not mean I would let people I don't even know and people I didn't even allow, to search my property.

And yes, it is temporary safety.

Also, the country is safer from what? And where did you get the information that brought you to conclude that the country is safe(r) now?

 

[iLeviathan]

This isn't temporary safety. This country is safer then it ever was thanks to that Act.

They were already safe, and the strongest country, but they had to fake a terrorist act, to start a war. You sir need to think before you speak. And, safety might increase, until it goes corrupt, until it destroys itself, which i would expect from the US government. And, yeah, everyone has the power to do things, the government likes to try and stop it, if everyone rebelled, the government would be destroyed, which would be a plus side, haha.

 

[Triggerfinger]

The Patriot Act is still in effect, albeit a modified version of it.

Tell me, when will the "threat" be over?



Do you know what "abuse of power" means?



Not really:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55825
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_(United_States)

The threat will be over when those damn Radical Jihadists realise that America isnt just about making Porno's. And we are a model of success for all.

Abuse of power, that would be like Bill Clinton putting a stripper pole in the Oval Office? Amiright?

As this so called 'Safety' increases, so will the rights of the citizens decrease.

Also, even if I had absolutely nothing to hide, that does not mean I would let people I don't even know and people I didn't even allow, to search my property.

And yes, it is temporary safety.

Also, the country is safer from what? And where did you get the information that brought you to conclude that the country is safe(r) now?

Can you honestly say that you would know if they tapped your phones, or read your email? Come on, its the NSA and any other 3 letter acronym that I cant think of...they can do this with out breaking a sweat.

Its not temporary, as long as we are fighting terrorism on their doorsteps, we secure our borders, introduce immigration control, and keep one step ahead of the enemy, we will be golden.

How do I know this country is safer? Hmm, maybe because we havent had another 9/11 incident?

They were already safe, and the strongest country, but they had to fake a terrorist act, to start a war. You sir need to think before you speak. And, safety might increase, until it goes corrupt, until it destroys itself, which i would expect from the US government. And, yeah, everyone has the power to do things, the government likes to try and stop it, if everyone rebelled, the government would be destroyed, which would be a plus side, haha.

Your not from the US are you? I wish very bad things upon you. And FYI we didnt fake the goddamn terrorist act. We faked Iraqi Intelligence about having WMDs. So you sir, need to shut the hell up and think before you disrespect America like that.

EDIT: I guess im the only Far Right person on this site?

 

[iLeviathan]

an you honestly say that you would know if they tapped your phones, or read your email? Come on, its the NSA and any other 3 letter acronym that I cant think of...they can do this with out breaking a sweat.

Its not temporary, as long as we are fighting terrorism on their doorsteps, we secure our borders, introduce immigration control, and keep one step ahead of the enemy, we will be golden.

How do I know this country is safer? Hmm, maybe because we havent had another 9/11 incident?

Are you an idiot? There hasnt been another 9/11 cuz they made all the money they needed and got the war they wanted. They do tapp your phones, they read your email, theyre corrupt, learn something, before you type, study it harder and you will understand.

Your not from the US are you? I wish very bad things upon you. And FYI we didnt fake the goddamn terrorist act. We faked Iraqi Intelligence about having WMDs. So you sir, need to shut the hell up and think before you disrespect America like that.

EDIT: I guess im the only Far Right person on this site?

No, and im glad, very glad indeed i am not. US is the country id never want to live in. And yes, if you saw the towers fall you'd see the bombs the US government set up inside the towers. And i am thinking, but you are not, "sir".

And you arent right, sythe could argue with you, i aint that good at debating.

 

[Triggerfinger]

Are you an idiot? There hasnt been another 9/11 cuz they made all the money they needed and got the war they wanted. They do tapp your phones, they read your email, theyre corrupt, learn something, before you type, study it harder and you will understand.


No, and im glad, very glad indeed i am not. US is the country id never want to live in. And yes, if you saw the towers fall you'd see the bombs the US government set up inside the towers. And i am thinking, but you are not, "sir".

And you arent right, sythe could argue with you, i aint that good at debating.

1) What country are you from?

2) How the hell would we make money off of destroying one of the Icons of America?! As I said before, Iraq was not that related to 9/11, it was based on false information about WMDs in Iraq.

3) If they do read my email, letters, tapped my phone, I cant tell. There is a possibility that they might, who knows. Let them, I have nothing to hide.

4) We are corrupt, sure, everyone is corrupt to some point, but I guess where ever your from the corruption is a lot worse.

5) I Watched the GODDAMN AIRPLANES FLY INTO THE TWIN TOWERS! I watched people jump out of the highest windows and people in the streets run in fear, so dont tell me the US Govt planned this attack. And do you have pictures of the so called "bombs" the US Govt put in the Towers? By all means show me pictures.

6) I would love to have Sythe argue with me, I would respect someone of intelligence to argue with me. You I cannot.

 

[iLeviathan]

1) What country are you from? Canada. -_-

2) How the hell would we make money off of destroying one of the Icons of America?! As I said before, Iraq was not that related to 9/11, it was based on false information about WMDs in Iraq. No, they blamed it on them, while the government destroyed the towers to have a war. Oh, they put some kindve insurance on them, im not sure what kind, but they made quite a bit of money from it.

3) If they do read my email, letters, tapped my phone, I cant tell. There is a possibility that they might, who knows. Let them, I have nothing to hide. Im sure you dont, your ignorant, anyways.

4) We are corrupt, sure, everyone is corrupt to some point, but I guess where ever your from the corruption is a lot worse. My government is not corrupt, a little stupid, but not corrupt.

5) I Watched the GODDAMN AIRPLANES FLY INTO THE TWIN TOWERS! I watched people jump out of the highest windows and people in the streets run in fear, so dont tell me the US Govt planned this attack. And do you have pictures of the so called "bombs" the US Govt put in the Towers? By all means show me pictures. Yeah, the bombs blew up when they hit the towers you tard, learn something. And people that were there heard bombs, and the towers didnt fall sideways, they collapsed, air planes do not do that, idiot.

6) I would love to have Sythe argue with me, I would respect someone of intelligence to argue with me. You I cannot.

But, i am smarter then you, since all of your arguements are you trying to protect your government, when you do not understand how corrupt they are.

Learn, before you say i am not intelligent, sir. Oh, think of this quote before you reply with your comment "A brain is like a parachute, it does not function unless it is open."