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The holocaust

I do disagree. Hitler played a largely passive role in the Nazi system which effectively built itself up around him after 1933, while he, a lunatic, spent much of his time in his holiday homes watching films like Bambi. He failed to get into art college, he spent years on the streets, he held irrational and twisted beliefs which in effect led to the Holocaust itself. He failed at the Munich Putsch and showed lack of judgment. The weakness of the Weimar democracy had more to do with Hitler's rise to power than his "genius". All that can be said is that he was a charismatic ranter.

Yet, someway, somehow, he managed to kill eleven million people, overthrow an entire island, at the time, in less than twenty minutes, and do all of this while watching movies at home like bambi.

No, trust me, you're right. -.-
 
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I said he DIDN'T kill anyone from my family.

I would forgive some of the Nazis, but not for all of the killings like retards, homos, gypsies and anyone that was outside of his idea for the "Perfect World." So no, I wouldn't forgive any less/more if I weren't Jewish, because like The Fat Controller said "His idea was a majority of the worlds population."

Your red font really pisses me off.
 
Too much to read.. whats your point?

I feel bad for the victims.
 
For you, b1b, I will make it normal. (;

But, but, but, STILL!

I'm still trying to get inside of fat's claims&opinions.
Hitler wasn't just some poor chap who didn't know how to draw. What he managed to do was exponential. It was AMAZING. It may have been wrong, evil, unethical, but nonetheless, amazing.
 
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Who was arguing that the man didn't have something between his ears... If you can raise yourself to the dictator of a country from a nothing you have a brain. Painter->Dictator.


Everyone agreed it was unethical, evil, and wrong. No one denied that he was smart.

Summary: Everyone agreed he was smart and evil.
 
Yet, someway, somehow, he managed to kill eleven million people, overthrow an entire island, at the time, in less than twenty minutes, and do all of this while watching movies at home like bambi.

No, trust me, you're right. -.-

Hitler wasn't the one who organized and set the Holocaust in motion. That was the Nazi government. Hitler wasn't an iron-fisted dictator who oversaw everything, he sat and watched Bambi like I said. The Nazi officials underneath him worked towards whatever they believed he wanted, vieing against each other to implement ever more extreme policies against the groups they knew Hitler hated.
What are you referring to with "overthrow an entire island in less than twenty minutes"?

And I never claimed Hitler was an idiot. I'm just trying to show that he was no genius and certainly no one to admire in that respect.
 
Can you post some proof for that ?

I'm not denying that, I just never heard that before. All that I heard was tthat Hitler was the mastermind behind the whole thing.

I can't post any "proof", but these are the facts which make me conclude that Hitler was a "weak" dictator rather than the "genius" who masterminded the German economy and the Holocaust:

* Hitler was lazy and erratic, didn't follow up decisions and like before, spent little time actually commanding the country.
* Hitler focused on little things like architectural designs with Albert Speer and ignored a great deal of what actually went on in government.
* The people below Hitler all wielded power, Hitler was mainly a figurehead even though he remained the most important man in Germany.
* The idea of "working towards the Fuehrer" and the idea of Volksgemeinschaft itself was largely instrumental in how the Nazi government came to make its own decisions without any input from Hitler.
 
Lol you didn't really give us anything to discuss. The holocaust, oh boy. Exciting news. People believe it was all against those "poor little jews", and other people believe it was against everyone. We all know the truth here, and no one cares about those jews, just as no one cared about the other people who died. Jews trying to make it about them, when it was really about everyone. I came up with a flaw one time while debating this on convinceme. Unfortunately, I lost the post...
 
I spent an entire semester on Adolf Hitler, and by far this is the most interesting topic around him.

This was a nice read actually, a good summary of my semesters work. :)

I'm against his moral views and foreign policies but I have come to accept that no matter how much you may hate Hitler and the Nazi regime, what he did benefited Germany (Excluding the Holocaust) as he took them out of depression and lead them into being a powerful country.

he did raise morals but times were still very rough due to the first world war. i dont believe that he helped germany at all. i think he made it worse. even now, people dont like germany because of this (which i think doesnt make sense)

but i dont see what is supposed to be debated here. so ill just give some facts. i read his autobiography Mein Kampf (not sure of spelling) and it was a very hard read. his IQ was very close to einstines but unfortunately, instead of doing something productive, he went insane in his own intelligence. so hitler was a genious but crazy at the same time
 
This is my belife, if scientologys not a cult, then the holocaust never happend
 
Lol you didn't really give us anything to discuss. The holocaust, oh boy. Exciting news. People believe it was all against those "poor little jews", and other people believe it was against everyone. We all know the truth here, and no one cares about those jews, just as no one cared about the other people who died. Jews trying to make it about them, when it was really about everyone. I came up with a flaw one time while debating this on convinceme. Unfortunately, I lost the post...

Umm i dont come in ur thread saying bad stuff at it....
if u dont like this thread go bite on something else!
 
Hitler killed eleven million people, on record. 6 Million were jews, and 5 million of other ethnic groups were killed in concentration camps. This is not counting the thousands that were killed that were killed by German soldiers in Russia and Western Europe, but only THOUSANDS. 18 Million people were not killed.

Also, Aryan refers to a member of any people speaking an Indo-European language.

The aryan you're talking about, you're using too heavily. There was something about Hitlers dream of aryan, the master race, being blonde hair blue eyes, blah?




I wasn't stereotyping. Also, it is just "history". What else would it be?

Lol when u say thousands u mean it like its little even if he did thousands only deaths its still ALOT

He should of gotten 11,000,000 death sentences that BITCH!
 
As an american of partially german descent, and a proud german nationalist, i hate Hitler and the nazis for what they did to Germany. It is to my continued annoyance that World War II lessons mention "german" armies. No. Anyone who fought under the nazi mantle is undeserving of the title German. The shame brought on by the actions undertaken by the Third Reich(bullshit again, there have been only 2 reichs, the third reicht is more accurately the "Nazi Control of Germany") are of the most heinous nature and deserve to be cast down throughout history. I absolutely hope that they all are burning in hell for two eternities, once for their actions to others, and once for the crime against Germany that this was. Hitler himself was a 1/4 Jewish Austrian who was jealous of Germany. Is my hair color blonde and my eye color blue? yes. Does that make me a superior person? No. But its enough to be superior to a Nazi.
 
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