Let's Roll

[Deacon Frost]

HUE names are under the boxes and the Forum Leaders list as moderators because that's how vB organizes them. We didn't choose to do that, vB did. When we go to give someone mod powers in a section, we add them under Forum Management. Once added, vB automatically labels the person as a mod, because that person now has mod powers. Now just because vB does it that way doesn't mean we have to run Sythe that way. Meaning, just because vB says you're some rank doesn't mean you are on Sythe.

A pretty decent example of this is Cheater. He was an admin - or at least that’s what vB said. He had the rank of admin and was listed on the Forum Leaders page as an admin. In reality, he had no admin powers whatsoever. Likewise, HUEs have the rank of moderator, but they do not have all of the powers of one.

Besides, I remember that I was asked to give HUE’s mod powers so that they could move guides around, lock the app polls, etc. Such are the duties of the HUEs - they need to organize the guides, set up all the polls, etc. The duties of the HUEs do not encompass all the ones moderators have. For example, it is not an HUE’s duty to go around and infract people on Sythe. Thus, they do not have the ability to infract.

The HUEs were given powers to run User Education properly, not the site. You can argue that sectional moderators were given powers to run their respective sections properly as well, and not the site, but it doesn’t work that way. Because in the past, right now, and perhaps in the future, User Education was not, is not, and may not be a major part of Sythe. I know you and the others have worked hard, and put a lot of time and effort into trying to make it a big thing. Unfortunately - and I do hate to say it, because I’ve seen the private forums and the work you guys put in - User Ed hasn’t gotten far.

Maybe that’s going to change, and maybe that isn’t. But as of right now, it isn’t. The RS section speaks for itself, as does the Market. The Programming section still does, to a lesser extent. The GFX section has grown tremendously over the past year or two, and I’ve personally watched its development; I was there when it began. Something for All has also taken off, though the flood of idiots through it doesn’t give it a good image xD I am not downplaying User Ed. I have respect for the section, and what several of you have done and are trying to do for it.

I’m just saying it the way I see it, which happens to be the way a lot of people see it.

I guess the point I’m trying to make here is why HUEs don’t have access to the Staff Lounge - because it’s not needed. It’s not a duty of theirs and it wasn’t one of the reasons why I was asked to give them mod powers. As for the modCP, you might argue for needing the ability to search for IPs to weed out the multi-accounters that reapply or whatnot, but that’s not enough.

So in the end, HUEs are not staff members, so they do not have all of the mod permissions, access to the modCP and Staff Lounge, and colored names.

Again, I mean no offense by the way I described User Ed. I mean it when I say I have a lot of respect for you guys. I know how much you put in, and how little you get out. But that’s the main problem. Not everyone respects you, and you know it. If you guys manage to change that in the future, and make User Ed big (I wish you the best of luck), like the other sections, then bring this issue up again when that happens, and we’ll reconsider.

Otherwise, HUEs will not be receiving any changes to their permissions.

P.S. Shredder doesn't have a color/bolded name because Clash forgot to do it a while ago, and no one else has bothered to do it since then. Otherwise, his name would be the same as Shawn_'s.

You heard the lady, we need Ideas, Ideas, IDEAS >.<. Let's Make UE what they don't expect.

WS, TDD, BHS Meeting saturday, same time.

 

[Yakov]

FYI, I've seen Graphics forum evolve too, it went from LOLPAINT SKILLZ, to wow, C&C please.

I think you guys can do the same, and you will see my post shortly in Community General.

EDIT: http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=1938754#post1938754

PS: Get on IRC.

 

[cr1mson]

Higher quality UE's for a start. Just an allround quality improvement of our section of the forum. Make it flashy, make it so that a user would miss out if he didn't read our guides. We'd have to come up with GOOD stuff though.

 

[Atemu]

Can I join Meeting?

 

[Zack]

Deacon u forgot me... I was there last time also....and somethings up I gave u the link to my mm application since I vouch for u u said you will vouch for me...

 

[Deacon Frost]

Were you Zack...? Mmk, well, same time as last time... Ask someone to invite you to the conversation.

 

[Nathan III]

I see where you're coming.
We need to be harsher.
People are working hard to become a UE, then once they have the rank, do jack all for the UE community, and use their rank to scam people.
We need to be ALOT harsher.
A few weeks ago, I saw a misc. guide on making a spliff...
We need something big... Something that the Sythe community isn't expecting!

 

[Yakov]

NOTE THIS IS A REPOST OF WHAT I POSTED IN THE PRIVATE STAFF AREA:

Here is what I had in mind.

Turning User Education into something more than a project.
Things that are helpful.
Things that the Sythe.org community actually wants.
Things that are unique to Sythe.org.

Examples?

Specific lists of games, with pictures and descriptions (All freeware, all RPG, etc.)
Tutorials on how to get free stuff (club.live, Cashcrate, etc.)
Tutorials on how to do cool things on the computer (Turning your computer into Alienware-esque, etc.)
How to use BBCode (I personally created a tutorial like this, and is particularly helpful when someone wants to know how to link an image)
How to Setup forums and mods (Creating a request thread where people could ask how to install mods and VB/PHP/IPB/SMF, etc.)
Guides on How to Use Runescape Cheats (ow do i use aresbt?)
Those are just examples.

Remove User Education, not the basis behind it. Turn Deacon and WoW_sucks into sectional mods, but remove User ED. as currently they aren't staff, and shouldn't be. I can give you some examples of successful things.

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=252804
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=1754057#post1754057
http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?t=252978

Those are useful.

Not "Pimpin' Myspace" or 'How to download a game'.



So basically, heres what I had planned.

Deleting the whole section other than the guides. Removing all the ranks, instead making WoW_sucks and Deacon both sectional mods of a New Section called, "Beneficial Learning". Where anyone may post guides, and they are to be rated, using the "Digg" feature, and we have a GOTW, where the winner gets to wear a custom made (weekly) GOTW Userbar, and is given Halfop on the IRC (Abuse = dehalfopp'd). Also, we should advertise the new guides whenever possible, and when people ask stupid questions like "how do i put linkz into my imageszz", we direct them to the guide, instead of explaining it to them/telling them to google.

Ideas? Comments?

 

[-------owned-------]

Yakov, don't do that. The users are finally interested in UE. Atleast more than before. For example, I made a php tutorial, Hax4You made a perl tutorial, Puzzle made some damn good vb guides, and still, mmolist is more educating? That's fucked up.
Edit: I'm not as stupid as you think I am, you know what I mean.

 

[WoW Sucks]

Actually, its some of the best ideas that ive seen. But yeh, I wanted a place for other people to post guides, i want people to be able to comment, i want guides that i personally would like to read etc etc.

Ill talk to Deacon about it. Finally, we are getting some help

+ respect for yakov.

 

[TDD]

Deleting the whole section other than the guides. Removing all the ranks, instead making WoW_sucks and Deacon both sectional mods of a New Section called, "Beneficial Learning". Where anyone may post guides, and they are to be rated, using the "Digg" feature, and we have a GOTW, where the winner gets to wear a custom made (weekly) GOTW Userbar, and is given Halfop on the IRC (Abuse = dehalfopp'd). Also, we should advertise the new guides whenever possible, and when people ask stupid questions like "how do i put linkz into my imageszz", we direct them to the guide, instead of explaining it to them/telling them to google.

Ideas? Comments?

That is actually a good idea, but to add to it, what about making it a moderated forum (meaning the post has to be checked by the sectional before being posted) to make sure no spam gets through?

Don't mean to sound like a giver-upperer P) but it wouldn't being gettting rid of UE it would just mean altering it to make it better... you can only push this section so far... and those that can't give a good excuse as to why this idea can't be accomplished probably don't want to lose their rank.

 

[Phil]

I'll be there, i wanna hear more of this idea.

 

[Zack]

My idea is to move the runescape guides forum from the rs section to our section this will attract the rs people to become ue's I also like yakovs idea.. maybe like unknown was going to do phase 2...have it like some staff members will collect some rs gold and every some odd "good guides" if they get rated well then you will get like 100k comments?

 

[Nathan III]

I hate the idea of destroying UE...

 

[berson4]

My idea is to move the runescape guides forum from the rs section to our section this will attract the rs people to become ue's I also like yakovs idea.. maybe like unknown was going to do phase 2...have it like some staff members will collect some rs gold and every some odd "good guides" if they get rated well then you will get like 100k comments?

I actually support this in a way. I mean, the majority of sythe plays rs here, and im sure guides would help them out alot.

either way, i agree with him