2015-2016 NBA Discussion Thread

[briantir]

Cavs blow out the spurs 117-103. What is your narrative now?

The Cav's and Spurs are in the same category they are both Elite teams however in a play-off series Spurs would win because they undefeated at home and they pretty much guaranteed home court advantage over Cleveland.

But it doesn't matter because nobody is stopping the Warriors you cannot beat what you cannot guard and not even arguably the best one on one defender in the league (K.Leonard) got schooled by Curry.

The man shoots from half court and scores consistenly... His three point line is 5 feet away from the league 3 point line.


There's no doubt he's the best shooter in the league but now you can argue he's also the best ball handler as well.

The man averages 30 points a game and he usually sits the entire 4th quarter...

Who cares if Cleveland beat the Spurs... The Raptors beat the Spurs as well on the road Spurs are not Elite they are just a good road team 14-8...

The Warriors could easily break the league 72-10 regular season record if they wanted too at this point.

Lebron is never ever ever going to win a championship for Cleveland. His prime is done after this season he's 32 years old he'll be great for a couple more years but he won't be the player his name represents.

Cleveland doesn't deserve a championship the fans are all losers they booed their own team when Warriors raped them in their own building what kind of fan base disrespects their own team?

Once Lebron loses in the Finals again he's leaving Cleveland he doesn't wanna give what time he has to lose over and over again in the finals he's the greatest loser off all time in NBA Finals history this year will be the 3rd straight year he lost in the finals that's pretty embarrassing lol.

Golden State will not crumble they have the best player they have superior coaching staff and way better team chemistry they are the definition of a championship team even Kobe acknowledged they will make history.

You're argument is not valid you say number 1 seeds slip up and sometimes choke in the playoffs history has shown it.

But what you fail to realize is this time this year you are witnessing the greatest NBA team of all time. Without major injury Golden State is winning I'm sorry I know you love Cleveland but there's no way in hell they will beat Golden State.

They have 4 losses passed the half way point of the season.

Who the hell is going to give them 4 losses in a series nobody.

 

[driveahonda]

raptors blown out by the nuggets. Snapped their 12 game willing streak. Raptors seemed lost the whole game. The east looks wide open besides the cavs

 

The Cav's and Spurs are in the same category they are both Elite teams however in a play-off series Spurs would win because they undefeated at home and they pretty much guaranteed home court advantage over Cleveland.

But it doesn't matter because nobody is stopping the Warriors you cannot beat what you cannot guard and not even arguably the best one on one defender in the league (K.Leonard) got schooled by Curry.

The man shoots from half court and scores consistenly... His three point line is 5 feet away from the league 3 point line.


There's no doubt he's the best shooter in the league but now you can argue he's also the best ball handler as well.

The man averages 30 points a game and he usually sits the entire 4th quarter...

The Warriors could easily break the league 72-10 regular season record if they wanted too at this point.

Lebron is never ever ever going to win a championship for Cleveland. His prime is done after this season he's 32 years old he'll be great for a couple more years but he won't be the player his name represents.

Cleveland doesn't deserve a championship the fans are all losers they booed their own team when Warriors raped them in their own building what kind of fan base disrespects their own team?

Once Lebron loses in the Finals again he's leaving Cleveland he doesn't wanna give what time he has to lose over and over again in the finals he's the greatest loser off all time in NBA Finals history this year will be the 3rd straight year he lost in the finals that's pretty embarrassing lol.

Golden State will not crumble they have the best player they have superior coaching staff and way better team chemistry they are the definition of a championship team even Kobe acknowledged they will make history.

You're argument is not valid you say number 1 seeds slip up and sometimes choke in the playoffs history has shown it.

But what you fail to realize is this time this year you are witnessing the greatest NBA team of all time. Without major injury Golden State is winning I'm sorry I know you love Cleveland but there's no way in hell they will beat Golden State.

They have 4 losses passed the half way point of the season.

Who the hell is going to give them 4 losses in a series nobody.

That makes no sense. How does spurs being undefeated at home with the easiest first half season schedule of all elite teams means they are guaranteed the win over the cavs in a 7 game series? You've been wrong so many times now that it's become comical. If the Thunder beat the warriors saturday, I'll be waiting for your second back peddle retort.

Let's talk about your Raptors that got blown out by Denver. It's a shame they couldn't get farther with their easy schedule.

 

[briantir]

That makes no sense. How does spurs being undefeated at home with the easiest first half season schedule of all elite teams means they are guaranteed the win over the cavs in a 7 game series? You've been wrong so many times now that it's become comical. If the Thunder beat the warriors saturday, I'll be waiting for your second back peddle retort.

Let's talk about your Raptors that got blown out by Denver. It's a shame they couldn't get farther with their easy schedule.

Lol you had to bring up the Raptors losing hahaha.

They won 11 in a row they built a nice gap between themselves and the 3rd seed. I'm not complaining good streaks usually come to and end by shitty teams. (Bucks snapped Warriors 24-0). They boast a top 10 offence and defence that's good enough for me I'm not expecting them to win a championship lol all I want is a playoff series win and that's looking like a possibility so I'm happy.

Toronto will get a championship come October when the Blue Jays take a giant shit over the entire American League.

Back on point Cleveland is not winning a championship it won't happen Lebron is 2-4 in the finals and he should be 1-5 if it wasn't for the legendary Ray Allen.

 

Lol you had to bring up the Raptors losing hahaha.

They won 11 in a row they built a nice gap between themselves and the 3rd seed. I'm not complaining good streaks usually come to and end by shitty teams. (Bucks snapped Warriors 24-0). They boast a top 10 offence and defence that's good enough for me I'm not expecting them to win a championship lol all I want is a playoff series win and that's looking like a possibility so I'm happy.

Toronto will get a championship come October when the Blue Jays take a giant shit over the entire American League.

Back on point Cleveland is not winning a championship it won't happen Lebron is 2-4 in the finals and he should be 1-5 if it wasn't for the legendary Ray Allen.

The raptors are losing in the first round as they always do. This is a basketball thread, I can't care less about baseball. The cavs will most likely lose if they face the warriors, but if it's any other team making it out of the west, they have a good chance to win. Remember the warriors may have to face the clippers, mavericks, spurs, and thunder to make it out the west.

If kawhi didn't choke at the free throw line, they wouldn't have won. If Chris Bosh didn't get the offensive rebound, they wouldn't have won. If Ray Allen didn't hit the 3, they wouldn't have won. If Lebron didn't go on a tear in OT, they wouldn't have won. What is your point? This is a team sport.

Who won finals mvp that year btw?

 

[briantir]

The raptors are losing in the first round as they always do. This is a basketball thread, I can careless about baseball. The cavs will most likely lose if they face the warriors, but if it's any other team making it out of the west, they have a good chance to win. Remember the warriors may have to face the clippers, mavericks, spurs, and thunder to make it out the west.

If kawhi didn't choke at the free throw line, they wouldn't have won. If Chris Bosh didn't get the offensive rebound, they wouldn't have won. If Ray Allen didn't hit the 3, they wouldn't have won. If Lebron didn't go on a tear in OT, they wouldn't have won. What is your point? This is a team sport.

Who won finals mvp that year btw?

I'm willing to bet the Raptors do make it out of the first round if you are.

 

I'm willing to bet the Raptors do make it out of the first round if you are.

Right now they would be facing the pistons, but it could easily be the celtics or pacers. I can see all 3 teams beating the raptors in a 7 game series. Wait until the end of the season and I'll decide.

 

[FireZ]

Lebron is 2-4 in the finals and he should be 1-5 if it wasn't for the legendary Ray Allen.

I'd take that record in the finals of any sport and be thrilled and laugh the whole way to the bank.

 

[uJesternWind]

Right now they would be facing the pistons, but it could easily be the celtics or pacers. I can see all 3 teams beating the raptors in a 7 game series. Wait until the end of the season and I'll decide.

The raptors are losing in the first round as they always do.

So why were you so confident here then when suddenly later you want to wait until the end of the season to decide...

I mean I'm in the middle of both of you guys right now. The Raptors are a decent to good team. They are slightly worse than their record indicates. Yes their wins over some other top teams have been shadowed by injuries but they have proven they are able to consistently beat these middle-tier teams (essentially what a 7-8 seed is), which is why I can see them escaping the first round of the playoffs. Like no the Raptors aren't elite and they aren't gonna be taking the East (not by a long shot) but give them some credit.

Yawwwn you're comparing college team to Golden State Warriors lol. Warriors have been to the finals they have gone through the war that is the playoffs.

They have the best player in the world on their team and putting up league records for point differential, field gold percentage, and points per game.

If nobody makes any trades it's already over.

Uhh and Kentucky had never been to the finals before that year? Were they not also putting up record numbers during that time as well?
With your apparent baseball knowledge, following that logic why didn't the jays win the WS this year? Coming into the postseason with record numbers, extremely stacked roster, many important guys having tons of playoff experience (Donaldson, 2lo, Price, Estrada, etc etc).

 

So why were you so confident here then when suddenly later you want to wait until the end of the season to decide...

I mean I'm in the middle of both of you guys right now. The Raptors are a decent to good team. They are slightly worse than their record indicates. Yes their wins over some other top teams have been shadowed by injuries but they have proven they are able to consistently beat these middle-tier teams (essentially what a 7-8 seed is), which is why I can see them escaping the first round of the playoffs. Like no the Raptors aren't elite and they aren't gonna be taking the East (not by a long shot) but give them some credit.

There wasn't a need for your input on this honestly. As you can see by my follow up comment, I made the prediction of the raptors losing in their first round based on their current arbitrary first round matchup vs the pistons. There is no point in making a bet if the season isn't over because the first round matchup can easily change being as the eastern conference teams aren't far apart in standings.

The raptors got swept by the wizards with a hurt John Wall. The raptors had six man of the year in Lou Williams and still couldn't win a single game against the WIZARDS. Their playoff inexperience, inconsistency, and lackluster performances are the reason why I said they won't make it past the first round. I guarantee they won't have a favorable first round matchup the way the east is looking.

 

[uJesternWind]

There wasn't a need for your input on this honestly. As you can see by my follow up comment, I made the prediction of the raptors losing in their first round based on their current arbitrary first round matchup vs the pistons. There is no point in making a bet if the season isn't over because the first round matchup can easily change being as the eastern conference teams aren't far apart in standings.

I must have misinterpreted "I can see the pistons, pacers, and celtics all beating the raptors in a 7 game series", I didn't know you meant just the Pistons. Sorry, my bad. I'm also very sorry for giving my input as well, when you're clearly contradicting yourself.

The raptors got swept by the wizards with a hurt John Wall. The raptors had six man of the year in Lou Williams and still couldn't win a single game against the WIZARDS. Their playoff inexperience, inconsistency, and lackluster performances are the reason why I said they won't make it past the first round. I guarantee they won't have a favorable first round matchup the way the east is looking.

Toronto's defensive system last year was absolute garbage, which the Wizards managed to exploit. This year, they've tightened things up defensively and are nowe 5th in the league in opponent's points scored at 97, against a very average schedule. They're also currently 14-7 against teams over .500, whereas last year they finished 15-21. This year things are actually looking different. I'm not guaranteeing that they'll escape the first round, but you can't argue that they don't have a better shot this year than last.

 

I must have misinterpreted "I can see the pistons, pacers, and celtics all beating the raptors in a 7 game series", I didn't know you meant just the Pistons. Sorry, my bad. I'm also very sorry for giving my input as well, when you're clearly contradicting yourself.

Ignorance is not bliss. Celtics were the 6th seed, Pistons were the 7th, and Pacers were the 8th, and Raptors were the 2nd seed at the time of making that post, the difference in position was 1 game apart. This is why I mentioned those three teams. Under these circumstances the raptors would've faced the pistons then if the season ended. It's better to not get involved in discussions between two people if you have no clue what's being said.

Toronto's defensive system last year was absolute garbage, which the Wizards managed to exploit. This year, they've tightened things up defensively and are nowe 5th in the league in opponent's points scored at 97, against a very average schedule. They're also currently 14-7 against teams over .500, whereas last year they finished 15-21. This year things are actually looking different. I'm not guaranteeing that they'll escape the first round, but you can't argue that they don't have a better shot this year than last.

Their offensive inconsistency was a big indicator as to why they got swept.

Game 1 - Raptors are shooting at 38%
Game 2 - Raptors are shooting at 48% and Lowry shot under 30%
Game 3 - Raptors are shooting at 37%
Game 4 - Raptors are shooting 43%

2 of those games were winnable at the end of regulation, but the raptors choked under pressure as they did the season prior.

 

[briantir]

Last year's Raptors squad was more built for the regular season then the playoff's the defence was bad the rebounding was bad Ross was playing bad Lowry was hurt Demar suffered a serious injury was out extended time Lou Williams invented hero ball and took the teams game into something that wasn't sustainable in the post season, their were a lot of problems but I'm over that.

This year I look at the squad and see all the area's they have improved on top of the playoff experience they are learning from the previous 2 years it's going to look a lot more bright.

BUT in other NEWS...

Cav's getting slapped by the Hornet's and Lebron cheating as usual pushing other players off while driving and getting away with it.

Irving shooting 25% from three point land loooool.

Now lets take a look at what Curry did tonight.

51 points omg... 19-28 shooting omg.... 11-16 from deep one 3 pointer away from the league record omg.....

 

Last year's Raptors squad was more built for the regular season then the playoff's the defence was bad the rebounding was bad Ross was playing bad Lowry was hurt Demar suffered a serious injury was out extended time Lou Williams invented hero ball and took the teams game into something that wasn't sustainable in the post season, their were a lot of problems but I'm over that.

This year I look at the squad and see all the area's they have improved on top of the playoff experience they are learning from the previous 2 years it's going to look a lot more bright.

BUT in other NEWS...

Cav's getting slapped by the Hornet's and Lebron cheating as usual pushing other players off while driving and getting away with it.

Irving shooting 25% from three point land loooool.

Now lets take a look at what Curry did tonight.

51 points omg... 19-28 shooting omg.... 11-16 from deep one 3 pointer away from the league record omg.....

Derozan doesn't play defense and Lowry is averaging the same ppg as last season. The cavs got beat on the glass by going small and not having Delly who is our best 3 point shooter and best defender at the 1-2 guard position will hurt the team, along with having a decent playmaking ability. I'm not bothered with this loss, it was a miscalculation matchup wise and the cavs were on the road. And have played like 4 games in the last 6 days or so. Because there was a lacking in playmaking and tenacity when Kyrie sits, ball movement stopped. Charlotte is a really good team and I actually anticipated that the cavs would slip up in either the pacers or the hornets game, I was right for good reason.

Steph was hot from 3, but Kobe hit 9's in a row in 03 (current co-holder of most 3 point shots in a game) and averaged 35 ppg in a season... But that's none of my business

 

[briantir]

Derozan doesn't play defense and Lowry is averaging the same ppg as last season. The cavs got beat on the glass by going small and not having Delly who is our best 3 point shooter and best defender at the 1-2 guard position will hurt the team, along with having a decent playmaking ability. I'm not bothered with this loss, it was a miscalculation matchup wise and the cavs were on the road. And have played like 4 games in the last 6 days or so. Because there was a lacking in playmaking and tenacity when Kyrie sits, ball movement stopped. Charlotte is a really good team and I actually anticipated that the cavs would slip up in either the pacers or the hornets game, I was right for good reason.

Steph was hot from 3, but Kobe hit 9's in a row in 03 (current co-holder of most 3 point shots in a game) and averaged 35 ppg in a season... But that's none of my business

Demar and Lowry are more efficient players this season they get the same points with less shots that's the main goal...

Demar does play defence actually he's just not elite level yet, Lowry is a elite defender at his position, arguably the best point guard in the East actually.

But the major factor for the Raptors in the post-season will be Terrance Ross if he continues to produce at the rate he's doing right now I'd say they have a date booked with the Cleveland Cavaliers.

 

[uJesternWind]

Ignorance is not bliss. Celtics were the 6th seed, Pistons were the 7th, and Pacers were the 8th, and Raptors were the 2nd seed at the time of making that post, the difference in position was 1 game apart. This is why I mentioned those three teams. Under these circumstances the raptors would've faced the pistons then if the season ended. It's better to not get involved in discussions between two people if you have no clue what's being said.

I fail to see how this answers the question of you saying you can see all those 3 teams beating the Raptors in a series, yet backtracking afterwards and saying you only made that prediction in a Raptors v. Pistons series and wouldn't want to take a bet as that specific matchup could change at any time.
I'm trying to clarify what was being said so I can enter the discussion, if you want to keep it strictly in between two people then you can take it to PM, instead of a public discussion thread.

Their offensive inconsistency was a big indicator as to why they got swept.

Game 1 - Raptors are shooting at 38%
Game 2 - Raptors are shooting at 48% and Lowry shot under 30%
Game 3 - Raptors are shooting at 37%
Game 4 - Raptors are shooting 43%

2 of those games were winnable at the end of regulation, but the raptors choked under pressure as they did the season prior.

Yeah, that's true, although their highly questionable defensive system being torn apart by the Wizards also played a large part. I mean they just got outplayed at both ends of the court, but safe to say I'm feeling a bit more confident for the playoffs seeing better defensive numbers come out of the team this year.

 

[briantir]

I fail to see how this answers the question of you saying you can see all those 3 teams beating the Raptors in a series, yet backtracking afterwards and saying you only made that prediction in a Raptors v. Pistons series and wouldn't want to take a bet as that specific matchup could change at any time.
I'm trying to clarify what was being said so I can enter the discussion, if you want to keep it strictly in between two people then you can take it to PM, instead of a public discussion thread.




Yeah, that's true, although their highly questionable defensive system being torn apart by the Wizards also played a large part. I mean they just got outplayed at both ends of the court, but safe to say I'm feeling a bit more confident for the playoffs seeing better defensive numbers come out of the team this year.

Who care's dude they got swept last year the number's they put in the regular season don't mean anything to Ghast he only looks at playoff numbers....

Golden State won 67 games last year and nobody expected them to win the championship everyone doubted them.

If the Raptors avoid Chicago and Cleveland in the first round I can breath easily as I know they will take care of business this year.

There 23-8 inter conference best in the East

18-6 at home 2nd best in the conference

15-10 away again best in the conference


Please Boston? Miami? Detriot? Indiana? There's no way any of those teams beat the Raptors in a 7 game series with Raptors having home court.

 

I fail to see how this answers the question of you saying you can see all those 3 teams beating the Raptors in a series, yet backtracking afterwards and saying you only made that prediction in a Raptors v. Pistons series and wouldn't want to take a bet as that specific matchup could change at any time.
I'm trying to clarify what was being said so I can enter the discussion, if you want to keep it strictly in between two people then you can take it to PM, instead of a public discussion thread.

Doesn't get any more clearer than what is shown here:

I'm willing to bet the Raptors do make it out of the first round if you are.

Right now they would be facing the pistons, but it could easily be the celtics or pacers. I can see all 3 teams beating the raptors in a 7 game series. Wait until the end of the season and I'll decide.

Right now the Raptors would be facing the pacers, above the pacers is the heat, and below the pacers is the pistons. It makes no sense to bet on a specific matchup if it's clear that it might not happen due to the eastern conference standings being divided by 1-2 games under the 2nd seed. This is common sense.

Demar does play defence actually he's just not elite level yet, Lowry is a elite defender at his position, arguably the best point guard in the East actually.

That's laughable, and it's clear you don't watch their games. Demar plays shadow defense and Lowry isn't the best defender at his position, nor is he the best point guard in the east. I'd say the best point guard in the east is John Wall, also the best defender for his position in the east.

John Wall is averaging 19, 4, and 9.8. Lowry is averaging 20,4, and 6.2.

Who care's dude they got swept last year the number's they put in the regular season don't mean anything to Ghast he only looks at playoff numbers....

The regular season doesn't mean much if you don't produce the same results in the post season. The regular season almost never matters, it's only to position yourself to getting the best advantage in the post season. This is common sense.

Golden State won 67 games last year and nobody expected them to win the championship everyone doubted them.

They produced in the post season, something the raptors didn't do.

Please Boston? Miami? Detriot? Indiana? There's no way any of those teams beat the Raptors in a 7 game series with Raptors having home court.

Do you watch basketball at all? Celtics, Heat, Pistons, and Pacers are all capable of beating the raptors in a 7 game series. I bet you thought the raptors would go far in the post season last year.

 

[uJesternWind]

Right now the Raptors would be facing the pacers, above the pacers is the heat, and below the pacers is the pistons. It makes no sense to bet on a specific matchup if it's clear that it might not happen due to the eastern conference standings being divided by 1-2 games under the 2nd seed. This is common sense.

Thanks for clarifying. I was under the impression that you were willing to bet on the Raptors not making it out of the first round, regardless of matchup.

Do you watch basketball at all? Celtics, Heat, Pistons, and Pacers are all capable of beating the raptors in a 7 game series. I bet you thought the raptors would go far in the post season last year.

I would have argued that the Raptors are playing really well against the Celtics this year (although that's more probable as a second round matchup than as a first) but Raptors swept the Wizards last year in the regular season too, so there goes that argument...
Honestly there's not a team even down to the Knicks that I'd look forward facing in the first round if I were the Raptors. I think they'll definitely have the upper hand though.

 

[briantir]

We'll bet when the the playoff's start any team other then Chicago or Cleveland in a first round match up I'll bet any amount as well.

Major injuries will void any bet's though as I'm not trying to handicap anything unless it happens during the playoff series.

John Wall lool he's ass all he has is a pick n roll game with Gortat which every team has figured out there's a reason Washington is beyond shit this year.

Lowry evolved his game this year he's shooting better defending better passing the ball better please you don't watch the Raptors play you don't know anything about the team come playoff time I can't wait to clean out your're wallet.