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Hello everyone usually it's me who's making the report on someone specific but this one case is a bit odd so if possible i'd like a global+ to deal with it just to clarify things, but other feedback is also more than welcome although as I say would prefer to keep it to the straight and narrow.
So to keep it as easy as possible i'm going to try not to confuse anyone or bore anyone, but this has taken up quite a bit of my time today trying to go back and forth. So if we could get a full breakdown on this, that would be perfect thank you in advance
As many of you know, I run a service discord and with that comes the fact of needing to deposit in ours like many if not all service discords to hopefully avoid scam attempts. Our friend Saul, or who I would like to class as a friend at least applied to us as shown below but wasn't able to pay a deposit and was sent to us at the given time when he started via another person who we yet again classed as a friend which after today I think is quite clear it's quite the opposite
- Saul applied for a 500M deposit rank, as shown here -
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As you can see, he mentions he wishes to pay in BTC which I will dive further into and is exactly where the issue remains for now. So we have a 30 day non-compete which has seemed to be fine, that's not an issue.. The issue is the amount that needs to be be returned.
Saul was working for a friend of his (the friend mentioned above) and his friend offered to pay his deposit as he had done plenty of work for him assisting to get his account higher level/max caped or something along those lines. Now I think it goes without saying, I got perm banned on my personal account that typically holds my own GP+deposits, and as such is one of the reasons why we have the 30 day rule along side finding if there are any scams we have to pay out and so on like a regular provider
Said friend has contacted me today reaching out about the deposit, we had this conversation a month or two ago and I explained to him that I was pretty much under the impression that Saul would be communicating with him in order to get everything in motion to step down, and once Saul confirms he is ready to do so I would demote/start the cooldown process. (keeping in mind the other "friend" has tried to now multiple times, get me to pay out the deposit without Saul's agreement/CD handled)
This brings me to today, the same again happened. Contacted me about the deposit, was yet again explained on several (around 8 or so) occasions that I needed to chat with Saul, as Saul was taking a break from RS for a bit but gave us indication he wanted to remain on to an extent. After a bit of time, he said he would "talk to the friend" in question, and sort things out so he can step down, again this was the last time we spoke before today. So whilst I understand the problem on the other guys behalf he also needs to understand mine
- For me, we covered his original deposit for 500M 07 which he asked to cover into BTC, of which he is now saying I have to pay the difference due to the GP going down in price. So now you can see the extortion, and has instead of understanding my point of view and understanding that he in fact paid into a 500M deposit which a lot like BTC is out of our control if it fluctuates, it got covered into the GP that was requested so we was all safe
- I have reason to believe the "friend" has the full ticket transcript (currently speculation) that was on our old ticket system which we have since upgraded and there for cannot access any longer (around a week or so between each date from when he joined>we upgraded) and it has magically gone missing.
- He has today decided to blackmail me (there is the other mention in the thread title) with reports, and also that he would essentially "force" Saul to side with him in the matter, as such also attempting to blackmail him also to get what he wants for whatever reason which I don't find fair either.
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Now again, whilst I cannot get the ticket transcript (i will still assume the other person in question has it) I was sent a few snippets from the other user in question, which is why I find this so weird and have requested it for him to toy/joke around and then claim he doesn't have it going "oh how do you think I have this info?" well one would assume you have it because you have the transcript..
https://i.imgur.com/5ZyqcbM.png
^ had to edit second image in, was broken!
- As you can see here at the given time the amount needed to get the 500M deposit sorted, again this is where the issue comes in. He is stating I owe him $190, when in fact I owe him 500M as per the 30 days end (which started today)
Again - The contract, keeping in mind we was all in a ticket when he applied as the friend wanted to pay for his deposit as he was the one enquiring for him to work for us at the time, and you can see again when it mentions the deposit "yes I have it in btc"
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I will bring up my deposit info here, as you can see yet again 500M, no mention of BTC, so the assumption cant really be "oh I paid BTC I want that amount" when in fact, you paid for a product in the term of GP coverage
now I think it goes without saying these days I am more active on Sythe than other websites, so you can see here in my OSBot one for example - OSBot - OldSchool RuneScape Bot | OSRS Client
This was back in August 2022. "Deposits start at 100M", again no mention of things to do with real life currencies, because in order to process it, it has to be in GP so there is no confusion
To my understanding I didn't declare anyone has to pay in BTC as we prefer GP, and the person in the other end of this even said I "let him off" and allowed him to pay BTC as he didn't want to do GP, so why would that be my issue exactly? I have offered to pay back the deposit regardless of the amount, and the point i'm trying to make is if GP all of a sudden shot up to $3/mill, does that mean that his deposit then becomes less GP? Of course not. he paid 500M there for he would be paid 500M back regardless of if it went up in price as it's his deposit money not mine to play with
So here are the other key parts since I want to just put across as much as I can in order to confirm that I am more than happy to do the right thing
- By the right thing, I can imagine he will also mention the chat we had 20-30 minutes ago about terminations. I explained to him that given the obvious blackmail/threats etc, a service provider would terminate a contract with said worker, being that he is Saul's responsibility (as he covered depo for Saul) the same would apply here, but Saul is a nice guy, and I have nothing but respect for him so I wont and would never do something like that despite the guys actions against my discord and trying to blackmail/extort me
- You can see here, he confirms himself, we said sure if he wishes to pay in BTC (well actually the friend asked, not him as he was covering it) despite being asked for GP, here is Saul confirming also it was for a 500M deposit where the 500M is now owed back after the cooldown period
He asks here where he was meant to be paid back in GP, I mean I think it's a bit obvious why there is the request for that specific currency (not to mention the ranks workers receive are also in M not $)
He says himself, we made an exception for him. Which is true, we took the BTC payment instead and exchanged it for GP after Saul was settled in, as such his deposit was then handled. Again, he says we made an exception for him, which is why he is now trying to blackmail me because we "let him off the once"
Here are some blackmail/extortion extras also
As you can see, it's been quite the headache trying to deal with him for the past 12 hours give or take. On several occasions over the past hour or so I have mentioned a group chat so we can keep updated with everything instead of all talking behind each others backs etc (although I know they would speak privately, obviously)
Saul said this morning he wished to make a group chat so we could resolve it in the appropriate manner, I have shown nothing but interest to do the same. However, I am not just going to cover a payment I don't feel warranted because it was changed for a specific person who we called our friend so he could help another friend join our team and make some money to live off
Again, Saul is an amazing worker. He was nothing but polite and caring, and responsive to everything needed which is what we look for and have nothing but respect for him in that department, the issue is with the other person not Saul and as such I would like as said in the beginning of the post better clarifying of the issue as he feels he is owed more than the 500M deposit we originally agreed to, whilst I have said he was only on a 500M deposit which as a result after the 30 days defeats the purpose of a deposit if they are able to try get more money out of it
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Sorry for such a long post, I didn't notice it was going to be so long, thank you to who ever deals with this as it was an asshole to type up. I have nothing to hide, nothing to gain so i'm just looking for a honest response to where things stand as he was under a 500M deposit and as such in my eyes I owe the 500M after the 30 days
So to keep it as easy as possible i'm going to try not to confuse anyone or bore anyone, but this has taken up quite a bit of my time today trying to go back and forth. So if we could get a full breakdown on this, that would be perfect thank you in advance
As many of you know, I run a service discord and with that comes the fact of needing to deposit in ours like many if not all service discords to hopefully avoid scam attempts. Our friend Saul, or who I would like to class as a friend at least applied to us as shown below but wasn't able to pay a deposit and was sent to us at the given time when he started via another person who we yet again classed as a friend which after today I think is quite clear it's quite the opposite
- Saul applied for a 500M deposit rank, as shown here -
[$200 Donor] Buffed Services Are Hiring | Raiders/Capers & More! | Good Benefits | Easy Contracts As you can see, he mentions he wishes to pay in BTC which I will dive further into and is exactly where the issue remains for now. So we have a 30 day non-compete which has seemed to be fine, that's not an issue.. The issue is the amount that needs to be be returned.
Saul was working for a friend of his (the friend mentioned above) and his friend offered to pay his deposit as he had done plenty of work for him assisting to get his account higher level/max caped or something along those lines. Now I think it goes without saying, I got perm banned on my personal account that typically holds my own GP+deposits, and as such is one of the reasons why we have the 30 day rule along side finding if there are any scams we have to pay out and so on like a regular provider
Said friend has contacted me today reaching out about the deposit, we had this conversation a month or two ago and I explained to him that I was pretty much under the impression that Saul would be communicating with him in order to get everything in motion to step down, and once Saul confirms he is ready to do so I would demote/start the cooldown process. (keeping in mind the other "friend" has tried to now multiple times, get me to pay out the deposit without Saul's agreement/CD handled)
This brings me to today, the same again happened. Contacted me about the deposit, was yet again explained on several (around 8 or so) occasions that I needed to chat with Saul, as Saul was taking a break from RS for a bit but gave us indication he wanted to remain on to an extent. After a bit of time, he said he would "talk to the friend" in question, and sort things out so he can step down, again this was the last time we spoke before today. So whilst I understand the problem on the other guys behalf he also needs to understand mine
- For me, we covered his original deposit for 500M 07 which he asked to cover into BTC, of which he is now saying I have to pay the difference due to the GP going down in price. So now you can see the extortion, and has instead of understanding my point of view and understanding that he in fact paid into a 500M deposit which a lot like BTC is out of our control if it fluctuates, it got covered into the GP that was requested so we was all safe
- I have reason to believe the "friend" has the full ticket transcript (currently speculation) that was on our old ticket system which we have since upgraded and there for cannot access any longer (around a week or so between each date from when he joined>we upgraded) and it has magically gone missing.
- He has today decided to blackmail me (there is the other mention in the thread title) with reports, and also that he would essentially "force" Saul to side with him in the matter, as such also attempting to blackmail him also to get what he wants for whatever reason which I don't find fair either.
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Now again, whilst I cannot get the ticket transcript (i will still assume the other person in question has it) I was sent a few snippets from the other user in question, which is why I find this so weird and have requested it for him to toy/joke around and then claim he doesn't have it going "oh how do you think I have this info?" well one would assume you have it because you have the transcript..
https://i.imgur.com/5ZyqcbM.png
^ had to edit second image in, was broken!
- As you can see here at the given time the amount needed to get the 500M deposit sorted, again this is where the issue comes in. He is stating I owe him $190, when in fact I owe him 500M as per the 30 days end (which started today)
Again - The contract, keeping in mind we was all in a ticket when he applied as the friend wanted to pay for his deposit as he was the one enquiring for him to work for us at the time, and you can see again when it mentions the deposit "yes I have it in btc"
-
I will bring up my deposit info here, as you can see yet again 500M, no mention of BTC, so the assumption cant really be "oh I paid BTC I want that amount" when in fact, you paid for a product in the term of GP coverage
now I think it goes without saying these days I am more active on Sythe than other websites, so you can see here in my OSBot one for example - OSBot - OldSchool RuneScape Bot | OSRS Client
This was back in August 2022. "Deposits start at 100M", again no mention of things to do with real life currencies, because in order to process it, it has to be in GP so there is no confusion
To my understanding I didn't declare anyone has to pay in BTC as we prefer GP, and the person in the other end of this even said I "let him off" and allowed him to pay BTC as he didn't want to do GP, so why would that be my issue exactly? I have offered to pay back the deposit regardless of the amount, and the point i'm trying to make is if GP all of a sudden shot up to $3/mill, does that mean that his deposit then becomes less GP? Of course not. he paid 500M there for he would be paid 500M back regardless of if it went up in price as it's his deposit money not mine to play with
So here are the other key parts since I want to just put across as much as I can in order to confirm that I am more than happy to do the right thing
- By the right thing, I can imagine he will also mention the chat we had 20-30 minutes ago about terminations. I explained to him that given the obvious blackmail/threats etc, a service provider would terminate a contract with said worker, being that he is Saul's responsibility (as he covered depo for Saul) the same would apply here, but Saul is a nice guy, and I have nothing but respect for him so I wont and would never do something like that despite the guys actions against my discord and trying to blackmail/extort me
- You can see here, he confirms himself, we said sure if he wishes to pay in BTC (well actually the friend asked, not him as he was covering it) despite being asked for GP, here is Saul confirming also it was for a 500M deposit where the 500M is now owed back after the cooldown period
He asks here where he was meant to be paid back in GP, I mean I think it's a bit obvious why there is the request for that specific currency (not to mention the ranks workers receive are also in M not $)
He says himself, we made an exception for him. Which is true, we took the BTC payment instead and exchanged it for GP after Saul was settled in, as such his deposit was then handled. Again, he says we made an exception for him, which is why he is now trying to blackmail me because we "let him off the once"
Here are some blackmail/extortion extras also
As you can see, it's been quite the headache trying to deal with him for the past 12 hours give or take. On several occasions over the past hour or so I have mentioned a group chat so we can keep updated with everything instead of all talking behind each others backs etc (although I know they would speak privately, obviously)
Saul said this morning he wished to make a group chat so we could resolve it in the appropriate manner, I have shown nothing but interest to do the same. However, I am not just going to cover a payment I don't feel warranted because it was changed for a specific person who we called our friend so he could help another friend join our team and make some money to live off
Again, Saul is an amazing worker. He was nothing but polite and caring, and responsive to everything needed which is what we look for and have nothing but respect for him in that department, the issue is with the other person not Saul and as such I would like as said in the beginning of the post better clarifying of the issue as he feels he is owed more than the 500M deposit we originally agreed to, whilst I have said he was only on a 500M deposit which as a result after the 30 days defeats the purpose of a deposit if they are able to try get more money out of it
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Sorry for such a long post, I didn't notice it was going to be so long, thank you to who ever deals with this as it was an asshole to type up. I have nothing to hide, nothing to gain so i'm just looking for a honest response to where things stand as he was under a 500M deposit and as such in my eyes I owe the 500M after the 30 days
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if I paid in gp, sure, I’d expect 500m gp regardless of going rate in btc.
