Rscrown Theft and Blackmail

[Noble]

"maybe he changed something" Ya he has been changing things and again I have proof of this. This is a pretty clear cut case.

Crown decided to post a joke video, if you want to see a real joke check out what Pankaj Charged Crown $800 for....Im pretty sure the site doesnt even have a backend lol

 

"maybe he changed something" Ya he has been changing things and again I have proof of this. This is a pretty clear cut case.

Crown decided to post a joke video, if you want to see a real joke check out what Pankaj Charged Crown $800 for....

What that doesnt show anything relating to scapestock, I'm asking what was changed on scapestock that you claimed he changed. Most of what was on that video are very easy changes, a lot is simply down to me, such as verification I would have put something there, terms and so on.

When you click on buy rs3 or for example os-scape or rspspk the names have been changed, I do not have the ability to change the titles in the "buy" section will be changed soon so I can alter the titles for the dropdown menu, a feature that most sites do not have, so dont try and point that out as being poor, when its simply a feature that is in the process of being added.

Popular buys, again something I was not too concerned about, if I want something put there it can be added with little effort. Finally the prices have been changed because I was using scapestock not rscrowngold.

None of this at all is relevant to the case at hand, more time wasting for sythe to go through with this already long report.

 

[Noble]

"more time wasting for sythe to go through with this already long report" I agree. Will leave it as is and he can go through it tomorrow =)

But what it shows in relation to scapestock is that you handed the entire site you were refunded for over to an incompetent developer giving him full access to do whatever he wishes including keeping a copy for himself as he sells gold sites on sythe as well through God genesis. He can't re write copyrighted code unless he helped develop it. The fact crown is still using it after a refund and distributed it baffles me.

 

Without going through the extremely lengthy debate between as far as I can tell these are the facts:
1. Nobel sold RsCrown code that belongs to Bogla
2. RsCrown asked for a refund upon discovering the code was not Nobel's to sell
3. Nobel provided a refund
4. RsCrown kept the domain name.
5. RsCrown kept the stolen code.


If those are the facts then the dispute is now between Bogla and RsCrown. RsCrown is entitled to keep his domain name. He is also entitled to continue running Bogla's code if and only if Bogla grants him a license to do so.

 

[Noble]

Without going through the extremely lengthy debate between as far as I can tell these are the facts:
1. Nobel sold RsCrown code that belongs to Bogla
2. RsCrown asked for a refund upon discovering the code was not Nobel's to sell
3. Nobel provided a refund
4. RsCrown kept the domain name.
5. RsCrown kept the stolen code.


If those are the facts then the dispute is now between Bogla and RsCrown. RsCrown is entitled to keep his domain name. He is also entitled to continue running Bogla's code if and only if Bogla grants him a license to do so.

Much of the site was made completely custom for me including a completely new design and added features such as Osscape pvp gold. Rscrown has not only kept the stolen code but he has distributed it out and had it edited. Also if Bogla does grant him an exclusive license Im entitled to the $1200 back correct? How exactly is Rs Crown entitled to the domain?

 

Much of the site was made completely custom for me including a completely new design and added features such as Osscape pvp gold. Rscrown has not only kept the stolen code but he has distributed it out and had it edited. Also if Bogla does grant him an exclusive license Im entitled to the $1200 back correct? How exactly is Rs Crown entitled to the domain?

What are the details of your deal with RsCrown to supply a website/domain/code

 

[Noble]

What are the details of your deal with RsCrown to supply a website/domain/code

[12/27/2016 1:41:39 AM] RSCROWNGOLD.COM: anyway I want to get everything agreed for the 2k
[12/27/2016 1:41:40 AM] www.ScapeStock.com | Noble: I literally go to bed at like noon when its summer
[12/27/2016 1:41:44 AM] www.ScapeStock.com | Noble: yea ok
[12/27/2016 1:43:01 AM] RSCROWNGOLD.COM: it will include the site the domain, direct former livechat agents to who owns the new site, I need to know all of the sites where you advertised
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I think you reading through the entire report may lead to a more full picture of what is happening here. How would he be entitled to a domain I refunded him for? Im not sure Bogla even owns a majority of the code present on the site.

 

[12/27/2016 1:41:39 AM] RSCROWNGOLD.COM: anyway I want to get everything agreed for the 2k
[12/27/2016 1:41:40 AM] www.ScapeStock.com | Noble: I literally go to bed at like noon when its summer
[12/27/2016 1:41:44 AM] www.ScapeStock.com | Noble: yea ok
[12/27/2016 1:43:01 AM] RSCROWNGOLD.COM: it will include the site the domain, direct former livechat agents to who owns the new site, I need to know all of the sites where you advertised
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I think you reading through the entire report may lead to a more full picture of what is happening here. How would he be entitled to a domain I refunded him for? Im not sure Bogla even owns a majority of the code present on the site.

ok so you have evidence he agreed to return the domain as part of the refund

@RS Crown what's your side of the story re: domain

 

[Noble]

ok so you have evidence he agreed to return the domain as part of the refund

@RS Crown what's your side of the story re: domain

The refund was for the deal we had which included the domain. Crown implies this when he says he will be migrating back to rscrowngold.com after the refund. What else would the refund have been for? He never states to keep the domain as part of the refund only to keep the graphics. How does CUSTOM code I had created for MY OWN belong to Bogla? And again the code was not only kept by rscrown but edited and distributed. I really think you should read the entire report. @Sythe
[1/19/2017 9:40:26 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: 1.5k
[1/19/2017 9:40:33 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: yes
[1/19/2017 9:40:41 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: and we would be good ye?
[1/19/2017 9:40:57 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: yup
[1/19/2017 9:41:00 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: kk
[1/19/2017 9:41:01 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill do that
[1/19/2017 9:41:32 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: cool
[1/19/2017 9:42:01 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: can you throw in the scapestock gfx like sig and thread gfx for that
[1/19/2017 9:42:03 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: think thats fair

 

Hey, the domain side, although I bought everything from noble for 2k as a package the domain is in no way effected by the IHQ report. When agreeing with noble for 1.5k I did so under the impression that we were only talking about the backend itself. Noble has not used the domain for around 5-8 weeks I believe, when I purchased there were possibly 10 people a day visiting the site, that would be 1% of what it is now. With the value I'v added, as I said before in an example its similar to you handing me a safe I fill it up with my money and you then ask for a refund back, including all the money that was in there.

I'm sure we can all agree that the most reasonable solution to this is having traffic that I gained be re-directed to a new site of mine for a period of a month, although I would rather keep the domain, because as I say it was not effected by the IHQ report, given that you've already managed to make $800 profit from this deal, I'm pretty sure we can at least agree to this one part and move onto other details that need to be resolved. Not to say if Sythe rules that I can keep the domain I would'nt, I would much rather do so I'm just trying to find a solution that suites all of us.

 

Also I would like this post to be read so you are aware of why I agreed to take so much less than we had agreed upon:

May I also say if I thought I could of got the full 2k then I would have accepted, I did not want to try and get something back that he wouldnt pay. Our conversation really made me thing that if he had to pay the whole 2k back then he would simply completely quit:

[19/01/2017 22:18:29] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I just got banned on sythe
[19/01/2017 22:18:36] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: why
[19/01/2017 22:18:46] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: cause they think I'm scamquiting
[19/01/2017 22:18:56] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: hmm link the report
[19/01/2017 22:20:29] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: there isn't one
[19/01/2017 22:21:06] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I cant even log out
[19/01/2017 22:21:19] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: w/e man fuck this
[19/01/2017 22:21:23] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I get banned for nothing
[19/01/2017 22:21:27] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: ihq scams me 3.2k
[19/01/2017 22:24:12] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: well wtf lol
[19/01/2017 22:24:44] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: who told you that you were getting banned
[19/01/2017 22:26:27] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: no1
[19/01/2017 22:40:32] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: if I cant get back on sythe
[19/01/2017 22:40:47] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: rlly demotivates me when it comes to repaying u
[19/01/2017 22:41:24] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: if you repaid then they wouldnt find it likely that you would scamquit
[19/01/2017 22:42:43] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: going to post on the "where did name here go" thread see what a mod says about your situation
[19/01/2017 22:43:39] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: its just video
[19/01/2017 22:44:02] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: whats he saying
[19/01/2017 22:44:09] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I don't talk to hijm man
[19/01/2017 22:44:10] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: idk
[19/01/2017 22:44:23] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: how would you know its him
[19/01/2017 22:44:57] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: cause I wouldn't use him as amm
[19/01/2017 22:44:59] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: so he banned me
[19/01/2017 22:45:09] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: what was the trade
[19/01/2017 22:45:14] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: 1b?
[19/01/2017 22:45:18] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: ya
[19/01/2017 22:45:24] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I offerd 2x 500m
[19/01/2017 22:45:27] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: offerd*
[19/01/2017 22:45:32] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: But he only wanted to use video
[19/01/2017 22:45:37] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I don't like video
[19/01/2017 22:45:42] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: :/
[19/01/2017 22:45:51] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: its w/e man
[19/01/2017 22:46:02] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: if I don't get unbanned for this
[19/01/2017 22:46:07] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I rlly don't see a point in repaying
[19/01/2017 22:46:56] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: just out of common courtesy
[19/01/2017 22:46:57] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN:
[19/01/2017 22:50:40] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: well we will see where this report goes
[19/01/2017 23:23:22] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: u wouldn't care if I didn't regfund u right
[19/01/2017 23:24:03] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: can you tell me why you structured that sentence in that way
[19/01/2017 23:24:16] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Its called English idk
[19/01/2017 23:24:35] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: as in the words you chose, it implies that you wouldnt refund
[19/01/2017 23:24:46] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: If I didn't u wouldn't care though
[19/01/2017 23:24:48] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: so its cool
[19/01/2017 23:24:51] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: in a joke kind of way
[19/01/2017 23:25:05] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: so you are not taking it seriously
[19/01/2017 23:25:11] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: hahahaha
[19/01/2017 23:25:13] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: meaning you have no intention of refunding
[19/01/2017 23:25:23] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: lmao
[19/01/2017 23:25:28] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: ?
[19/01/2017 23:25:40] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: lets say I don't refund u
[19/01/2017 23:25:46] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I mean I'm banned anyway
[19/01/2017 23:25:54] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble:
[19/01/2017 23:26:15] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: you wouldnt be, they believe you want to scamquit, obviously you wouldnt pay back 2k to scamquit
[19/01/2017 23:26:41] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: ehhh bro
[19/01/2017 23:26:45] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I feel like I'm perm'd
[19/01/2017 23:26:51] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: why would you be
[19/01/2017 23:26:56] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Honestly like I don't even care that I'm banned
[19/01/2017 23:26:59] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: not even worth fighting
[19/01/2017 23:27:03] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I could easily get unbanned
[19/01/2017 23:27:05] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: but like
[19/01/2017 23:27:20] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I don't even care at this point
[19/01/2017 23:27:31] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I didn't do anything wrong
[19/01/2017 23:27:36] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: nor did I
[19/01/2017 23:27:37] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: if they think they can just ban me
[19/01/2017 23:27:41] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: its w/e
[19/01/2017 23:27:54] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: ihq did fuck every1 though :/
[19/01/2017 23:28:00] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: guess I can get the paypal just the remaining that is left
[19/01/2017 23:28:03] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: which itsn terrible
[19/01/2017 23:28:07] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: well u can try
[19/01/2017 23:28:11] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble:
[19/01/2017 23:28:51] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: we both know paypal and disputes
[19/01/2017 23:29:00] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: oh I know pp disputes
[19/01/2017 23:29:05] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: idk how well u know them
[19/01/2017 23:29:13] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: I'm pretty sure that if I say I got sold stolen code then then I would win the case
[19/01/2017 23:29:27] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ya I'm sure u would think that
[19/01/2017 23:29:48] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: you think I'm wrong in some way?
[19/01/2017 23:29:53] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Yes
[19/01/2017 23:29:57] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: how so
[19/01/2017 23:30:09] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: You will see if you dispute
[19/01/2017 23:33:18] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: kk
[19/01/2017 23:33:30] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I'm jk m8
[19/01/2017 23:33:32] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill pay u lol
[19/01/2017 23:33:39] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: just like to fuck with u
[19/01/2017 23:34:00] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: ok if thats true then you can send the btc now
[19/01/2017 23:34:20] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill have you the $ by Monday
[19/01/2017 23:34:28] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: That cool?
[19/01/2017 23:35:20] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: thats fine if its true, can you just tell me the truth though I'm really not looking to mess around if you dont want to refund then say, I would rather that than lying
[19/01/2017 23:35:35] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Bro Ill pay u lol
[19/01/2017 23:35:41] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ive been saying tha this whole time
[20/01/2017 00:44:01] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: b4 I pay
[20/01/2017 00:44:09] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I want to make sure its good with sythe
[20/01/2017 00:44:12] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: make a report plz
[20/01/2017 00:44:24] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: ok what do you want in the report
[20/01/2017 00:44:42] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: say that I don't believe I'm the one who is responsible to pay u
[20/01/2017 00:44:58] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: lol yea thats exactly what you would like
[20/01/2017 00:45:03] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: I can make a report and get a ruling
[20/01/2017 00:45:05] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: if you like
[20/01/2017 00:48:20] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Mhm
[20/01/2017 00:52:46] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: will post later
[20/01/2017 02:40:23] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: would u takje
[20/01/2017 02:40:26] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: 1.5k
[20/01/2017 02:40:33] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: yes

Things like: "u wouldn't care if I didn't regfund u right "

"[19/01/2017 23:28:00] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: guess I can get the paypal just the remaining that is left
[19/01/2017 23:28:03] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: which itsn terrible
[19/01/2017 23:28:07] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: well u can try
[19/01/2017 23:28:11] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble:
[19/01/2017 23:28:51] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: we both know paypal and disputes
[19/01/2017 23:29:00] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: oh I know pp disputes
[19/01/2017 23:29:05] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: idk how well u know them"

If anyone was blackmailing it was you, after this long conversation I would have accepted whatever I thought you would do because I did not feel at all as though I would get anything back at that point, my agreement was very rushed and if I had said "ok 1.5k and I keep everything" I already know what would of happened you would of been like, "well I guess fuck sythe then I wont repay you at all".

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I would like to resolve this all quickly though, if you (Sythe) do not think I have a case for this issue then the backend can be transfered to noble, given that is what is what bogla wants and can be deleted from mine and pankaj's computers.

 

[Noble]

Also I would like this post to be read so you are aware of why I agreed to take so much less than we had agreed upon:
.

Also I would like you to read how crown's argument that he was forced into accepting less is laughable.

I can see why Crown needs to cherrypick bits and parts of our conversation as he has no real argument. Immediately after what he just posted I said

[1/19/2017 6:33:30 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I'm jk m8
[1/19/2017 6:33:32 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill pay u lol
[1/19/2017 6:33:39 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: just like to fuck with u
[1/19/2017 6:34:00 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: ok if thats true then you can send the btc now
[1/19/2017 6:34:20 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill have you the $ by Monday
[1/19/2017 6:34:28 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: That cool?
[1/19/2017 6:35:20 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: thats fine if its true, can you just tell me the truth though I'm really not looking to mess around if you dont want to refund then say, I would rather that than lying
[1/19/2017 6:35:35 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Bro Ill pay u lol
[1/19/2017 6:35:41 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ive been saying tha this whole time

In what world is this comparable at all to being held at gun point? Its not. This was the actual conversation leading up to me offering 1.5k not crowns cherry picked horseplay which I had told him multiple times was me just fucking around, I do that often ask anyone who talks to me on skype lol.

[1/19/2017 6:33:18 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: kk
[1/19/2017 6:33:30 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I'm jk m8
[1/19/2017 6:33:32 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill pay u lol
[1/19/2017 6:33:39 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: just like to fuck with u
[1/19/2017 6:34:00 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: ok if thats true then you can send the btc now
[1/19/2017 6:34:20 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill have you the $ by Monday
[1/19/2017 6:34:28 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: That cool?
[1/19/2017 6:35:20 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: thats fine if its true, can you just tell me the truth though I'm really not looking to mess around if you dont want to refund then say, I would rather that than lying
[1/19/2017 6:35:35 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Bro Ill pay u lol
[1/19/2017 6:35:41 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ive been saying tha this whole time
[1/19/2017 7:44:01 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: b4 I pay
[1/19/2017 7:44:09 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I want to make sure its good with sythe
[1/19/2017 7:44:12 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: make a report plz
[1/19/2017 7:44:24 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: ok what do you want in the report
[1/19/2017 7:44:42 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: say that I don't believe I'm the one who is responsible to pay u
[1/19/2017 7:44:58 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: lol yea thats exactly what you would like
[1/19/2017 7:45:03 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: I can make a report and get a ruling
[1/19/2017 7:45:05 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: if you like
[1/19/2017 7:48:20 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Mhm
[1/19/2017 7:52:46 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: will post later
[1/19/2017 9:40:23 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: would u takje
[1/19/2017 9:40:26 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: 1.5k
[1/19/2017 9:40:33 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: yes
[1/19/2017 9:40:41 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: and we would be good ye?
[1/19/2017 9:40:57 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: yup
[1/19/2017 9:41:00 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: kk
[1/19/2017 9:41:01 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Ill do that
[1/19/2017 9:41:32 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: cool
[1/19/2017 9:42:01 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: can you throw in the scapestock gfx like sig and thread gfx for that
[1/19/2017 9:42:03 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: think thats fair


Another example of me fucking with crown was like 10 mins before I paid him:


[1/22/2017 7:24:49 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: hi
[1/22/2017 7:27:37 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: when is this happening
[1/22/2017 7:30:52 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: never (devil)
[1/22/2017 7:32:10 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: why say it was then
[1/22/2017 7:32:19 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I'm jkkkkk
[1/22/2017 7:32:28 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: can you stop fucking around
[1/22/2017 7:32:36 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: why are you doing this
[1/22/2017 7:32:36 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: y so serious br00000
[1/22/2017 7:32:47 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: Refunding now br00000000000000uuuvvv
[1/22/2017 7:32:55 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: srsly though
[1/22/2017 7:32:59 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: refunding now
[1/22/2017 7:34:22 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: sending 1200

Im sure any mod will be able to look at this and see crown was definitely never forced into accepting this deal. Crown saying he was "forced" and it was "not through and choice of my own" is just false. I had been talking to crown for days about the situation and everyday he would ask me if I planned on refunding and multiple times I reassured him I did infact have every intention of refunding.
Example 4 days prior to the Refund:

[1/18/2017 10:46:05 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: I dont know if the code was taken though
[1/18/2017 10:46:24 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: its hard to see if he made it himself or took it
[1/18/2017 10:46:43 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: but is the situation like if I buy a site from IHQ then you bought one and complained about copyright
[1/18/2017 10:46:46 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: is it the same or
[1/18/2017 10:46:54 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: its hard to understand without all the information
[1/18/2017 10:47:45 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: mhm
[1/18/2017 10:47:52 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: well plz don't make me refund lol
[1/18/2017 10:50:14 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: :S
[1/18/2017 10:50:39 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: if I wanted would you though
[1/18/2017 10:50:48 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I mean I have to lol
[1/18/2017 10:50:56 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: I would hit the arena first :d
[1/18/2017 10:51:10 PM] WWW.SCAPESTOCK.COM -RS CROWN: well thats good to know
[1/18/2017 10:51:11 PM] www.NoblesGold.com | Noble: but I mean ya I'd repayu

Keep in mind that I did end up refunding crown while I was banned on sythe and unsure if I would ever be returning. "we never really have a contract at all where we both agreed to terms" Actually yes we did. A much more formal contract then the one that got IHQ banned and put you in this situation. This argument that somehow me joking around for 10 minutes is comparable to a forced deal at gunpoint is literally laughable. The facts still remains that I refunded the code, he continues to use it, he has now sent the code off to at least one questionable developer, he has already been "editing"(breaking) the code, and there is no way to verify if he will ever use the code later. Crown isn't getting his free code and now he's attempting to change an already agreed upon contract. I will also say this again....You cannot keep the code for free and make changes as you got a REFUND FOR THE CODE and sending out the entire site isn't something that can be undone.

 

"In what world is this comparable at all to being held at gun point? Its not. This was the actual conversation leading up to me offering 1.5k not crowns cherry picked horseplay which I had told him multiple times was me just fucking around, I do that often ask anyone who talks to me on skype lol."

"Another example of me fucking with crown was like 10 mins before I paid him:"

I would like to ask if you think this is how you should be acting when there is $2k on the line? Just "fucking with crown" its not how business should be conducted and if you had not behaved in such an unpredictable way I would not have accepted. You see I believe 8 seconds after you say "would you take 1.5k?" I jumped at the option and agree, why did I do this? because I didnt know if you would change your mind, as you say you were just fucking with me, someone that thinks that is how you should act is too unpredictable for me to negotiate with.

The question I would like to ask is from the behavior noble has shown, is it possible that if I declined 1.5k he would simply say "its not even worth it I will just take the ban" if you read the whole conversation I believe you will get that impression, the same impression I got, to say "if you dont take 1.5k I might as well just take the ban" with his confidence that he would win the paypal dispute anyway, I was in not position to decline his offer. I know its possible that if I said no to 1.5k he could easily say its not worth it and block me. I dont believe you ever offered me the full refund, if you did please quote me, you only said you would refund after I accepted 1.5k.

I argue that there was an implied threat, that if I did not take the offer you had given me I would have been given nothing as you were so sure that you would win a paypal dispute, this shows you had no intetion of refunding even 1.2k so its even less likely that you would want to refund 2k.

My final question I want noble to answer is: Do you think acting in the way that you did may have influenced me when accepting the terms of the refund? Do you think that acting in such a way could possibly make someone believe that you would not refund and therefore have an implied threat? If you do not believe that this may influence someones choice then I would ask why you feel this way.

I'm not lying when I say I did not think he would refund, instantly after he refunded I say "I honestly didnt think you were going to refund" I'm pretty sure if I thought you had intentions on refunding I would have just left it at "thanks". You held the power in the choice, I had nothing I could negotiate back with.

I would like to give an example less extreme than my gun one. I think this situation is similar to selling an account for your friend, and after its sold the account gets banned for macro, its proven that its the OO (your friend)'s fault but he refuses to refund you. As you sold the account the debt is on you, but instead of simply telling the customer: sorry about all that I will fully refund you now, you take days delaying the refund, reducing how much you want to refund making threats saying you wont refund at all, "joking" saying "if I didnt refund you wouldnt care right?". So the guy that bought the account finally gets worried he honestly thinks you have no intention of refunding, then you come back with an offer of 75% of what he paid for, of course hes going to grab it instantly, not even being sure if the offer is just another one of your jokes.

This is why I want to be fully refunded for the site, yes Sythe both noble and me think it is important that you read our whole conversation to get the full picture, he may want you to read it so you can laugh? I guess is what hes implying, laugh at the many implied threats that were directed towards me I guess, I want it read so you can understand what I was thinking when accepting the offer. I guess the one thing we both agree on is the conversation should be read, although I would like it read because it actually matters in this case, he would like you to laugh at me, more devious tactics, attempting to make a joke of his threats so I would feel stupid for even mentioning them.

 

[Noble]

"In what world is this comparable at all to being held at gun point? Its not. This was the actual conversation leading up to me offering 1.5k not crowns cherry picked horseplay which I had told him multiple times was me just fucking around, I do that often ask anyone who talks to me on skype lol."

"Another example of me fucking with crown was like 10 mins before I paid him:"

I would like to ask if you think this is how you should be acting when there is $2k on the line? Just "fucking with crown" its not how business should be conducted and if you had not behaved in such an unpredictable way I would not have accepted. You see I believe 8 seconds after you say "would you take 1.5k?" I jumped at the option and agree, why did I do this? because I didnt know if you would change your mind, as you say you were just fucking with me, someone that thinks that is how you should act is too unpredictable for me to negotiate with.

The question I would like to ask is from the behavior noble has shown, is it possible that if I declined 1.5k he would simply say "its not even worth it I will just take the ban" if you read the whole conversation I believe you will get that impression, the same impression I got, to say "if you dont take 1.5k I might as well just take the ban" with his confidence that he would win the paypal dispute anyway, I was in not position to decline his offer. I know its possible that if I said no to 1.5k he could easily say its not worth it and block me. I dont believe you ever offered me the full refund, if you did please quote me, you only said you would refund after I accepted 1.5k.

I argue that there was an implied threat, that if I did not take the offer you had given me I would have been given nothing as you were so sure that you would win a paypal dispute, this shows you had no intetion of refunding even 1.2k so its even less likely that you would want to refund 2k.

My final question I want noble to answer is: Do you think acting in the way that you did may have influenced me when accepting the terms of the refund? Do you think that acting in such a way could possibly make someone believe that you would not refund and therefore have an implied threat? If you do not believe that this may influence someones choice then I would ask why you feel this way.

I'm not lying when I say I did not think he would refund, instantly after he refunded I say "I honestly didnt think you were going to refund" I'm pretty sure if I thought you had intentions on refunding I would have just left it at "thanks". You held the power in the choice, I had nothing I could negotiate back with.

I would like to give an example less extreme than my gun one. I think this situation is similar to selling an account for your friend, and after its sold the account gets banned for macro, its proven that its the OO (your friend)'s fault but he refuses to refund you. As you sold the account the debt is on you, but instead of simply telling the customer: sorry about all that I will fully refund you now, you take days delaying the refund, reducing how much you want to refund making threats saying you wont refund at all, "joking" saying "if I didnt refund you wouldnt care right?". So the guy that bought the account finally gets worried he honestly thinks you have no intention of refunding, then you come back with an offer of 75% of what he paid for, of course hes going to grab it instantly, not even being sure if the offer is just another one of your jokes.

This is why I want to be fully refunded for the site, yes Sythe both noble and me think it is important that you read our whole conversation to get the full picture, he may want you to read it so you can laugh? I guess is what hes implying, laugh at the many implied threats that were directed towards me I guess, I want it read so you can understand what I was thinking when accepting the offer. I guess the one thing we both agree on is the conversation should be read, although I would like it read because it actually matters in this case, he would like you to laugh at me, more devious tactics, attempting to make a joke of his threats so I would feel stupid for even mentioning them.

Literally just irrelevant rambling.

 

[Noble]

@Sythe any updates on this? Also m8 its Noble not Nobel

 

RsCrown did agree to a refund including the return of the domain. However considering the confusion on both sides and the context in which this refund is being arranged I think this should be set aside.

Here is the basic rule that should be applied: The voiding of one part of a contract does not automatically void the rest of the contract.

RsCrown is entitled to a refund for all parts of the website that Nobel didn't have the right to sell him. Nobel did have the right to sell the domain, so there is no obligation to refund or return this part of the website.

The refund amount should be negotiated to reflect the value of the parts that are being returned.

 

RsCrown did agree to a refund including the return of the domain. However considering the confusion on both sides and the context in which this refund is being arranged I think this should be set aside.

Here is the basic rule that should be applied: The voiding of one part of a contract does not automatically void the rest of the contract.

RsCrown is entitled to a refund for all parts of the website that Nobel didn't have the right to sell him. Nobel did have the right to sell the domain, so there is no obligation to refund or return this part of the website.

The refund amount should be negotiated to reflect the value of the parts that are being returned.

What are you suggesting the amount be, along with what should be returned and should be kept? So long as we both agree to the amount then we will go ahead with that.

 

What are you suggesting the amount be, along with what should be returned and should be kept? So long as we both agree to the amount then we will go ahead with that.

If you can't agree on a number come back and we'll figure one out

 

[Noble]

If you can't agree on a number come back and we'll figure one out

Great, Thanks Sythe Appreciate it!

 

I will agree to a full refund, which would still mean $300 profit for noble as he would refund 1.7k when I had paid 2k for the site (bogla chipped in $300 due to the IHQ report). I would also like to keep the domain. For this I would agree to return everything, frontend backend gfx and so on, I want nothing other than the domain.

Noble wants me to continue to use the site and pay him for everything that is not plagiarizing bogla's old site, which I believe would be very hard to figure out. Regadless it was bought as a package, I'm not paying for bits and pieces that I have pay someone to stitch together.

Noble does not seem too interested in negotiating though. @Sythe