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Jimmy said:
Any sort of miracle is, by definition, a violation of the observed physical laws, and such a thing has never been observed to happen. Please explain how one would go about turning water into wine, or walking on water. Explain how one can rise from the dead after three days, despite the fact that their brain would be too damaged from the lack of oxygen to function, as would all the rest of their organs. Such things are, as stated above, contrary to the laws of nature and so do not happen in reality. If you would like to claim that they do, please explain how and give provide that such a thing has happened.
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You want me to explain HOW Jesus performed his miracles?
 
Jimmy said:
Proof by contradiction
  1. The bible is the inerrant word of God
  2. Being the inerrant word of God, the teaching presented in the bible are a reflection upon reality
  3. Genesis 1:16 reads "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."
  4. According to the above passage, the moon emits its own light, and the sun is not a star.
  5. In reality, the moon reflects the light of the sun and the sun is a star.
  6. Statement #4 and #5 contradict each other, meaning that the original premise is false.
  7. The bible is not the inerrant word of God.
    Q.E.D.
Keep in mind, I can replace statement 4 and 5 with any one of the tens of dozens of things in the bible that are at odds with reality.
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I laugh at how you think you can just prove the Bible wrong as simply as that. Is the moon not the biggest, brightest thing you see at night? Almost as if it rules the night? The Bible doesn't say that the moon produces its own light. So your argument doesn't work.


Jimmy said:
I've added the word necessarily to illustrate that the relation between Christianity and Catholicism is like that of a rectangle and a square, that is, a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square (meaning that it CAN be a square, but does not HAVE to be one).
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That's completely and utterly false. Catholics also pray to Mary, for a Christian, that would be an idol. So although Catholics are CONSIDERED to be Christian, they're really not. And no, if a Christian follows Catholicism, then they're not a Christian.

Jimmy said:
Nobody will contest that for his time, Jesus of Nazareth was a good moral teacher (if, in fact he existed), however this does not validate any of the supernatural claims made in regard to him.
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I have a question for you: Do you believe Socrates existed?
 
Sanctuary said:
I laugh at how you think you can just prove the Bible wrong as simply as that. Is the moon not the biggest, brightest thing you see at night? Almost as if it rules the night? The Bible doesn't say that the moon produces its own light. So your argument doesn't work.


That's completely and utterly false. Catholics also pray to Mary, for a Christian, that would be an idol. So although Catholics are CONSIDERED to be Christian, they're really not. And no, if a Christian follows Catholicism, then they're not a Christian.



I have a question for you: Do you believe Socrates existed?
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If God created everything, surely he would know that the moon is only the brightest object at night from Earth, right? Also, being big doesn't equate to ruling. I suppose Russia RULES the Earth, being the biggest country and all?

Yes, I believe Socrates existed.
 
Psywar1 said:
If God created everything, surely he would know that the moon is only the brightest object at night from Earth, right? Also, being big doesn't equate to ruling. I suppose Russia RULES the Earth, being the biggest country and all?

Yes, I believe Socrates existed.
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I assume He(God) would talk about it in relationship to the Earth. Would be a bit silly if he was talking about in in relation to Pluto? That's not the same. Russia was created by man, not God.

There is more factual documented proof that the Bible is real than there is that Socrates ever existed.
 
People will make wars happen regardless of religion, they are just using Religion to fuel their wars.
 
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 19:21-24
 
Iminess said:
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 19:21-24
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I'm sorry, but how does this relate to anything in this thread?
 
Sanctuary said:
There is more factual documented proof that the Bible is real than there is that Socrates ever existed.
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It depends on what you mean by "real". I don't doubt the fact that the Bible is a "real" book, but I do not believe that the content of the Bible is "real". Assuming you're talking about the later, can I see the evidence of this first?
 
Peetu said:
Again, why does Satan want to live in that place? Also, you've clearly not read your bible, since it says nothing about hell, with the exception that it is a place that your away from god. All things about Hell being hot & dark & whatever are man-mades.

Also, you mentioned that God "doesn't want" babies to die. He still lets them.
Reason behind that? Also, Jesus, the loving one, sits on the right side of God, watching all that happen.

Reasons?
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For one Satan/Lucifer did not choose to live in hell. He was a rebellious angel that wanted to be god. Then Satan tried to rebel against god and god sentenced him to hell. But Satan found that he could not harm god so he tries to make the closest thing to him suffer instead. (Humans)

God Gives humans free will. If someone kills someone thats through free will. God does not want bad things to happen such as a baby to die. But when Adam and eve eat the apple he removed him self from being directly in human life. That is why when people Pray they cant hear god aloud speaking to them. Also I am Agnostic I am just pointing out that before you attack someones religion read there book first, Half the debates you guys make are actually answered in the bible and Quran.
 
Psywar1 said:
It depends on what you mean by "real". I don't doubt the fact that the Bible is a "real" book, but I do not believe that the content of the Bible is "real". Assuming you're talking about the later, can I see the evidence of this first?
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So you believe that the Bible is real, but you don't believe the content. I'd love to explain how that's kind of an oxymoron, but I have to leave for the night. If I remember, I'll talk to you about it tomorrow (if you care that much)


Iminess said:
Oh, i'm sorry i thought we were talking about nonsense here.
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If you're not going to contribute, kindly get off.
 
Sanctuary said:
So you believe that the Bible is real, but you don't believe the content. I'd love to explain how that's kind of an oxymoron, but I have to leave for the night. If I remember, I'll talk to you about it tomorrow (if you care that much)




If you're not going to contribute, kindly get off.
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adj.
1.
a. Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
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c. Of or founded on practical matters and concerns: a recent graduate experiencing the real world for the first time.
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5. Not to be taken lightly; serious: in real trouble.
6. Philosophy Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language.
7. Relating to, being, or having value reckoned by actual purchasing power: real income; real growth.
8. Physics Of, relating to, or being an image formed by light rays that converge in space.
9. Mathematics Of, relating to, or being a real number.
10. Law Of or relating to stationary or fixed property, such as buildings or land.

The Bible is real as in it exists, but it is a book of fiction, therefore what it describes isn't "real".
 
I can't get my head around the idea of "hell".

I mean, in my opinion flames and a big red man with a tail and pitch fork is just ridiculous!

Personally, hell for me would be a place with all your biggest fears and what you hate the most.

Is it just me or does someone else agree?
 
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