Get off your high horse.

[v3-]

lol @ kids calling other people kids


but seriously

 

[OldFinn]

You people are impossible to please.

I try to be more complacent, chilled and arguably less passionate in the way some other staff members are. Don't involve yourself in the major situations; don't be proactive in removing the corruption; take a back seat in all senses of the expression. Then I realize I just can't do that. It isn't me and it's not helpful.

I then revert to how I usually am. I perceive myself as a person who has a good heart and who does all he can for this site. For the last two and a half years, I've put my neck on the line: I've been ''responsible'' for corrupt staff being demoted; corrupt members being banned. You are all wrong in thinking that the site has been damaged during my presence on the staff team. You'll call me narcissistic for pointing out the ways in which I've benefitted this site, but I'm going to do it, as, sometimes, I think my contributions are seriously overlooked.

• Promoted in 2008
• Garnered tens of thousands of modlogs as a moderator whilst removing the more trivial yet equally irritating things from the site (spam, etc.)
• Stood against the team lead system which almost all staff hated but were too scared to stand against. Alongside a couple of others, I was the one who put my neck on the line, ''offended'' Vision Ex and managed to reachieve the sectional/global system which our staff wanted back so badly
• Overcame severe hostility when I was first modded to achieve Global two months later under a unanimous staff vote
• Have never taken a back seat and have always contributed my views and position irrespective of whether they cause offense
• Have counted Moderator logs every single month since I was admined so the staff can see how they're doing
• Have helped remove corruption and stop leaking. When I ran for Official Middleman in 2007, the ENTIRE contents (votes, comments, etc.) were leaked to me within a matter of minutes of the poll being established. Leaking was extremely commonplace when I first became staff and I have helped to remove it.
• Stood behind fellow staff members in the face of them being framed and treated like shit
• Spent more time improving this site than I have done on my school work
• Introduced Personal Support as a haven for our members to seek advice when they have nowhere else to turn
• Introduced the Non-Virtual Items Market and ensured its activity
• Been an approachable staff member for new staff members to approach and seek advice from
• Have banned hundreds of IPs which were being used by scammers
• Have been part of major collaborations with Matthew, for example, where we improve the site. Don't get me wrong, the majority of major technical changes can be attributed to him, but I always take an interest and offer suggestions
• Was the driving force for Pen, one of our best, most dedicated and caring staff members to be reinstated following minor mistakes
• Have helped to ensure a high calibre of staff in terms of helpfuless, activity and integrity
• Organized multiple community competitions
• Taken a step further than most staff members would in helping those who have been cheated. For example, when Bring Me The Horizon stole almost $1,000 in donations, I was the only person who did not sit back in complacency but instead managed to get the money returned by contacting family members and almost ultimately his school
• I have pioneered for many of our best ever staff members to be promoted who, without them, we'd be lost - Verts, Tyro, etc.
• Have stood against corruption and have always spoken out against it and have been the public figure who constantly puts his neck on the line and gets criticised for doing so: Zypur, Brandon, Daily, Syed, Rawr. The list goes on with time and the names become innumerable.

I'm not going to go on for much longer, but I will say this:

My contributions to this site have made it a better place in a number of significant ways. Can you really say that about yourself, SuF? No offense, but you were a complacent staff member who never really pushed the boat out or did anything of much value to the site. The most proactive you've ever been in improving the site is now that you're no longer staff, and, with all due fairness, the majority of feedback you've expressed has been impolite, bitter, hostile, disrespectful and has only really sought to make drama.

I do acknowledge that I make mistakes like anyone else, and yes, I have a hot temper, but that is not because I am corrupt, unkind or scathing -- it is because I am passionate. Passionate about moving this site forward and ensuring that members are safe from corruption and the sometimes irresistible temptation of it.

 

[MegaMatt]

Since this thread apparently isn't about Sytheofficial, my apologies if this is off topic in any way, but this needs to be publicly addressed.

The fact of the matter is, we control what goes on on this website. Inb4 OMFG FASCIST DICTATORSHIP. We have made the decision that Sytheofficial in its CURRENT state is unsafe because of who runs it. We have SEEN first hand what some of these people have done/tried to do to innocent people and it is absolutely unacceptable. We are trying to protect YOU from it happening to YOU. Obviously we cannot force people to cut their ties to these people because of their own personal bias' on the people (I'd just like to point out that they have done horrible things to people they called "friends", but what they might do to you is your own problem), so we are doing what we can by cutting off association of the channel on www.sythe.org itself. Is this permanent? No. Is this still being discussed? yes. We are trying our absolute hardest to make this fair for everyone, but we have taken it upon ourselves to rid this website of any connections to people who have proven themselves to be unsafe. Because of this, we have temporarily cut off association of Sytheofficial. Please show your co-operation by simply letting us find a permanent solution. If you have any suggestions for the issue, please present them to a staff member in a professional manner. *breath*

 

[Plznate]

The fact of the matter is, we control what goes on on this website. Inb4 OMFG FASCIST DICTATORSHIP. We have made the decision that Sytheofficial in its CURRENT state is unsafe because of who runs it. We have SEEN first hand what some of these people have done/tried to do to innocent people and it is absolutely unacceptable. We are trying to protect YOU from it happening to YOU. Obviously we cannot force people to cut their ties to these people because of their own personal bias' on the people (I'd just like to point out that they have done horrible things to people they called "friends", but what they might do to you is your own problem), so we are doing what we can by cutting off association of the channel on www.sythe.org itself. Is this permanent? No. Is this still being discussed? yes. We are trying our absolute hardest to make this fair for everyone, but we have taken it upon ourselves to rid this website of any connections to people who have proven themselves to be unsafe. Because of this, we have temporarily cut off association of Sytheofficial. Please show your co-operation by simply letting us find a permanent solution. If you have any suggestions for the issue, please present them to a staff member in a professional manner. *breath*

This is the post I was waiting for, so thank you. Issue solved on my end.

 

[Freddy Mercury]

I can't imagine how fanboyish you have to be to read some Sythe administrator's accomplishments when it's a 25 mile list.

perceive myself as a person who has a good heart and who does all he can for this site.

Make this an permanent guideline for any members of the staff:
Don't be a hypocrite
Don't claim ignorance when it's not usable by members
Learn English so you don't give Freddy Mercury infractions or even revert them when he so clearly shows you why you are wrong

My contributions to this site have made it a better place in a number of significant ways. Can you really say that about yourself, SuF?

Really? Make this about some user?
My contributions to the development of AJAX as the leading website build are invaluable. Can you really say that about yourself, Finn?

Not that I give a crap about tinychat, or your petty rivalries between some Sythe reg's but really, just stop this nonesense... all of you.

BTW I see that Ibreakrules.com is sponsoring /sytheofficial, doesn't some dude have a pin lottery in /spam/ to advertise them? Why is that allowed for instance?

 

[Shall Skill]

Originally Posted by MegaMatt View Post
If it is apparently run by DG and eugene(i know you said you dont want it) then we should just convince them to hand control to mods. not in order to maintain complete control, meaning very minimal rules should be altered, but to secure our members from any threats posed by brandon or syed. all we should do is keep unwanted members out of the channel, because they are, contrary to public belief, essentially ruining the fun for everyone here. if we abolish any content rules(porn, etc) and dont push any of sythes rules onto the chat (its not like its official anyway), i doubt most people would object to us being in control (except for the troublemakers obviously)


No no no and no. If staff run it then there's no freedom to talk as we want. We'll constantly be thinking "omg r u they gonna ban us for this?" and there will be tons of dick sucking.


edit: Sythe isn't affiliated with Tinychat. Just let us be.

edit2: Hurting innocent people? Name one.

 

[MegaMatt]

Originally Posted by MegaMatt View Post
If it is apparently run by DG and eugene(i know you said you dont want it) then we should just convince them to hand control to mods. not in order to maintain complete control, meaning very minimal rules should be altered, but to secure our members from any threats posed by brandon or syed. all we should do is keep unwanted members out of the channel, because they are, contrary to public belief, essentially ruining the fun for everyone here. if we abolish any content rules(porn, etc) and dont push any of sythes rules onto the chat (its not like its official anyway), i doubt most people would object to us being in control (except for the troublemakers obviously)


No no no and no. If staff run it then there's no freedom to talk as we want. We'll constantly be thinking "omg r u they gonna ban us for this?" and there will be tons of dick sucking.

The point to my suggestion is to just rid the channel of dangerous people. I have outlined that none of the current rules should be changed, just simply to get rid of the certain people. Clearly the current management will not do this themselves (which led to the banishment of any association with the channel), which is why I suggest it is put in the hands of a staff member. I am not saying every staff member should be an OP, I can agree with you that it'd be a disaster. We just want these people gone and all can be well. Think of it this way, if my suggestion is honored, we wont ban you from TC for anything that we wouldn't ban you on sythe for.

 

[Shall Skill]

These "Dangerous" people are hilarious. They're fun and they're friends of most of the people in the channel. This is like the school coming in and supervising me on the weekends. It's ridiculous.

 

[Skele]

Sir Meagmog, you are under the assumption that because you are banned on sythe or harmed a sythe member you are a bad person.

Most members who have been banned from Sythe are either scammers, phishers, hackers, etc... Are they bad people? Yes.

 

[MegaMatt]

If you harm a member of Sythe: by staff standards, you are indeed a bad person. The fact is if you expect us to allow your little tinychat to even be slightly associated with our website, you're going to have to honor that.

 

[Shall Skill]

If you harm a member of Sythe: by staff standards, you are indeed a bad person. The fact is if you expect us to allow your little tinychat to even be slightly associated with our website, you're going to have to honor that.

Not asking to be associated at all. We're a group of people from the site that hang out off-site.

Is a group of friends from school associated with the school on the weekend?

 

These "Dangerous" people are hilarious. They're fun and they're friends of most of the people in the channel. This is like the school coming in and supervising me on the weekends. It's ridiculous.

So hilarious that they decided to hack my MSN?

 

[SuF]

Finn, this is not a pissing war. You defend yourself and attack me, but thats not whats this is about, but I will go along with it.

You people are impossible to please.

Not everyone will be happy all the time, but there are things that can be done to make people happier, which don't need to be discussed here.

I try to be more complacent, chilled and arguably less passionate in the way some other staff members are. Don't involve yourself in the major situations; don't be proactive in removing the corruption; take a back seat in all senses of the expression. Then I realize I just can't do that. It isn't me and it's not helpful.

Not being helpful isn't a good thing, and I agree you shouldn't do that.

I then revert to how I usually am. I perceive myself as a person who has a good heart and who does all he can for this site. For the last two and a half years, I've put my neck on the line: I've been ''responsible'' for corrupt staff being demoted; corrupt members being banned. You are all wrong in thinking that the site has been damaged during my presence on the staff team. You'll call me narcissistic for pointing out the ways in which I've benefitted this site, but I'm going to do it, as, sometimes, I think my contributions are seriously overlooked.

I understand what you are saying and know how you feel. In both real life and on here I feel like I've done a lot for people and more times than not no one notices or cares enough to even thank me and its always really upset me, but I deal with it.

My contributions to this site have made it a better place in a number of significant ways. Can you really say that about yourself, SuF? No offense, but you were a complacent staff member who never really pushed the boat out or did anything of much value to the site. The most proactive you've ever been in improving the site is now that you're no longer staff, and, with all due fairness, the majority of feedback you've expressed has been impolite, bitter, hostile, disrespectful and has only really sought to make drama.

I'm not going to go on forever with a defense, but rather agree with most of what you say. I never really did very much amazing as a staff member, but I did try. As a programming mod I tried everything I could to try and get the section active and I put in hours of work trying to get MY section active, although I ultimately failed.

I tried and tried again to get Macroman unbanned, but there was really nothing much I could do to fight for him as the issue just got ignored.

And Finn, you know what changed me? When I fought against basically the ENTIRE staff for Syed and I got fed up with it at that point. My mindset completely changed and I wanted to get out so I could stop being so pissed and shit over Sythe. And that didn't work because I just started fighting for people as a normal member.

And how am I supposed to help them fight against things when everything is just labelled drama and locked? I should be able to do the site just as much good as a user as I could as a mod, but I can't. Because the staff doesn't respect the users. At all.

Do I regret leaving the staff? Some. It was a stupid spur of the moment decision, but it made me understand things about how the users felt and what they needed and I thought I could do them good as a member but it seems that I can't. I've gotten attacked by the staff numerous times now and gotten into pissing wars. Thats not what I want from all this. I'm going about this the only way I know how. I'm not a diplomat or some high class guy. I'm a simple country boy who gets mad and rambles.

I get mad sometimes and have a very bad attitude and bash people and am rude. But so are you. A lot. That doesn't mean my intentions are not good. I want to help the community, just like you. It doesn't need to be a fucking drama war.

 

[Gorgankle]

I'm so glad I'm not in this.

 

Not asking to be associated at all. We're a group of people from the site that hang out off-site.

Is a group of friends from school associated with the school on the weekend?

Actually, to answer your second question, yes, they are. Their actions outside the school represent the school, whether class is in session or not.

However, the analogy you made is invalid. You are actively promoting chaos on Sythe.org, which is chaos that we have to clean up. Hacking staff members, encouraging others to break rules and consistently causing drama. That is the problem, what you say happens "outside" the site is directly related to the site... If you want to have your time in the tinychat, go for it. You aren't seeing anyone here telling you not to.

Due to the consistent intolerable actions from the members of that club, we are prohibiting its involvement with our website. We do not want anyone to get the impression that we condone the behaviour which we fight so hard to stop. This includes hacking, scamming, and other activity which directly harm other users. Parasitic activity.

Once again, feel free to spend all the time you want talking with each other. No one is saying you are all bad people, it seems to be a select few who are causing the damage. But those select few have made the situation grave enough that we as staff had to put the hammer down. Keep it to yourself. It's that simple.

These "Dangerous" people are hilarious. They're fun and they're friends of most of the people in the channel. This is like the school coming in and supervising me on the weekends. It's ridiculous.

This shows why you have such difficulty grasping the basic concept here. What matters is the fact that these people are stealing from and hurting our community's members. The fact that they can make you laugh in a chat room is completely irrelevant. If we went by your standards, Sythe.org would evolve into a cesspool of hilarious thieves. Not so funny when they're picking your pocket though...

 

[SuF]

For all those wanting to talk about the Tinychat issue... http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=7056221#post7056221

Go there instead. This thread isn't about that.

 

[Shall Skill]

Actually, to answer your second question, yes, they are. Their actions outside the school represent the school, whether class is in session or not.

However, the analogy you made is invalid. You are actively promoting chaos on Sythe.org, which is chaos that we have to clean up. Hacking staff members, encouraging others to break rules and consistently causing drama. That is the problem, what you say happens "outside" the site is directly related to the site... If you want to have your time in the tinychat, go for it. You aren't seeing anyone here telling you not to.

Due to the consistent intolerable actions from the members of that club, we are prohibiting its involvement with our website. We do not want anyone to get the impression that we condone the behaviour which we fight so hard to stop. This includes hacking, scamming, and other activity which directly harm other users. Parasitic activity.

Once again, feel free to spend all the time you want talking with each other. No one is saying you are all bad people, it seems to be a select few who are causing the damage. But those select few have made the situation grave enough that we as staff had to put the hammer down. Keep it to yourself. It's that simple.

Nothing of that sort goes on in tinychat.com/sytheofficial. I invite you to sit down for an hour and watch the conversations in tinychat.com/sytheofficial. There are several banned members who use tinychat.com/sytheofficial, sure, but they don't hack/scam/phish in our channel. That isn't allowed.

 

[OldFinn]

Finn, this is not a pissing war. You defend yourself and attack me, but thats not whats this is about, but I will go along with it.

If you expect me to reciprocate to ''fuck off'' with a ring of roses and a nice hamper with various fruit preserves and organic wine, you thought incorrectly. If you're disrespectful and rude to someone, they're pretty much going to respond in a similar way.

I understand what you are saying and know how you feel. In both real life and on here I feel like I've done a lot for people and more times than not no one notices or cares enough to even thank me and its always really upset me, but I deal with it.

I suppose I'm not that satiable. I expect what I do for this site to be appreciated, because, ultimately, I am a volunteer and have been for the last two and a half years. I've had to endure quite a lot of hardships (constant attempts to frame me, constant flaming, etc.) but have made some great friends which make up for it.

I'm not going to go on forever with a defense, but rather agree with most of what you say. I never really did very much amazing as a staff member, but I did try. As a programming mod I tried everything I could to try and get the section active and I put in hours of work trying to get MY section active, although I ultimately failed.

I tried and tried again to get Macroman unbanned, but there was really nothing much I could do to fight for him as the issue just got ignored.

SuF, I didn't want to turn this into a who's-done-more contest. I'm just pointing out that, sometimes, people overlook how much more I do than them for this community and instead just prefer to express bitter sentiments.

And Finn, you know what changed me? When I fought against basically the ENTIRE staff for Syed and I got fed up with it at that point. My mindset completely changed and I wanted to get out so I could stop being so pissed and shit over Sythe. And that didn't work because I just started fighting for people as a normal member.

And how am I supposed to help them fight against things when everything is just labelled drama and locked? I should be able to do the site just as much good as a user as I could as a mod, but I can't. Because the staff doesn't respect the users. At all.

I think you're mistaken. You just miss the point that when we, as unpaid volunteers, do so much to benefit this community, opening a feedback thread to find people swearing and making baseless, fallacious claims, it does stir up irritation & drama. Good feedback is always constructive and always works with facts. If you expect the staff to be respectful of feedback, you, too, should be respectful in its expression.

Do I regret leaving the staff? Some. It was a stupid spur of the moment decision, but it made me understand things about how the users felt and what they needed and I thought I could do them good as a member but it seems that I can't. I've gotten attacked by the staff numerous times now and gotten into pissing wars. Thats not what I want from all this. I'm going about this the only way I know how. I'm not a diplomat or some high class guy. I'm a simple country boy who gets mad and rambles.

Don't underestimate yourself. You've managed to stir up the hornet's nest, so you must be doing something right. ^_^

Part of making a difference is garnering publicity, which you do pretty damn well. However, to make a difference you usually just have to be respectful and constructive rather than denigrating.

I get mad sometimes and have a very bad attitude and bash people and am rude. But so are you. A lot. That doesn't mean my intentions are not good. I want to help the community, just like you. It doesn't need to be a fucking drama war.

I agree, which is why we always point out that a PM is favourable. You can see as well as I can that creating a vitriolic, flaming feedback thread is only going to be evocative of black and white opinions. Nothing constructive can be achieved.

 

[Chriscross23]

Not about specifically Tinychat, but everything else:

I think the Sythe community gets upset with staff because our opinions seem to be overlooked. I have been told before by staff that our posts/ideas are brought up in the SL but how do we know this? All we see is a topic full of good ideas/suggestions, then it's locked due to "not needing to be discussed anymore". To most if not all of the community that seems like our idea was just disregarded because the staff doesn't agree with it.

Suggestion: I believe that some of the decisions that affect Sythe as a community should be discussed more publicly. Our input should matter to you guys. Just because you guys are staff does not mean that our ideas belong down here and your ideas belong up there in the staff lounge. All of you started off as users and I'm sure I can find regular Sythe users who aren't staff that are more intelligent than most of the Staff. This is just my opinion but I think being more public about the big issues would help.

 

Suggestion: I believe that some of the decisions that affect Sythe as a community should be discussed more publicly. Our input should matter to you guys. Just because you guys are staff does not mean that our ideas belong down here and your ideas belong up there in the staff lounge. All of you started off as users and I'm sure I can find regular Sythe users who aren't staff that are more intelligent than most of the Staff. This is just my opinion but I think being more public about the big issues would help.

I agree with this 100%. We are very open to this, and we try to have discussions with users on the Suggestions Forum whenever possible. However, there is a flipside to this. Not every suggestion can be implemented. It is easy for users to get a negative bias when their ideas are not used. We do read every suggestion and always approach attempt to approach it from a neutral point of view.

I will take this suggestion to heart though and try to be more open in discussion over users' suggestions.