[denied] Identification Verfication

CheersMate · Apr 11, 2023

Why doesn't Sythe do more ID verification? EpicNPC really has it going on with their website. It's not perfect and has it's flaws, but I feel much safer ever trading on that website..Just a thought.

Katana · Apr 11, 2023

CheersMate said:
Why doesn't Sythe do more ID verification? EpicNPC really has it going on with their website. It's not perfect and has it's flaws, but I feel much safer ever trading on that website..Just a thought.

ID Verification is great and should be utilized more but this site is behind the times in a lot of aspects. Who knows if it will ever change again.

Utopia · Apr 11, 2023

This has many benefits. Would bring a lot more security to this site. Support

owned · Apr 11, 2023

Just FYI - a similar suggestion was made and denied six months ago. It’s been suggested many times over the years. Not starting my support/opposition, just that I don’t think it’ll get approved.

[DENIED]Make upload a goberment ID verification option on sythe profiles

CheersMate · Apr 11, 2023

I have been around Sythe for a long time, I don't do a ton of trading. I do however like keeping up with community. I buy almost every time, and hardly sell anything. I like knowing the person I'm buying from is accredited and willing to go the extra steps to be held accountable.

BlackBlasses · Apr 11, 2023

Hello,

One one hand, you may feel safer trading with people that provided said platform with their IDs / have verified their identity in some way, but on the other hand there are now (presumably) multiple current staff members and future staff members with access to your ID. This may seems acceptable to you, until your online presence in this market is big enough that people could be interested in having your private information. You also don't know what said staff members do with this information. There have always been people with unhealthy (sometimes even pathological) obsession in digging is one's privacy, even on sythe and amongst staff members.
What is worse, you don't know how is this information stored, or if some staff members don't have your ID, or any information they were able to find on you stored somewhere. Imagine a staff member gets hacked (easily by downloading some RSPS client - I think this was Wortel's case).

Really, do not share your information online like this.

Is it even effective in preventing scams? One can easily fake an ID.

What you are suggesting is a big barrier for people (rightfully) worried about their privacy, while to scammers it's only a slight inconvenience, because now they have to fake their ID / have someone fake their ID / use someone else's ID.

I don't really feel like providing an ID myself, tbh.

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[DENIED]Make upload a goberment ID verification option on sythe profiles
[DENIED] "Verified User"
Marketplace additions. [Eliminate scamming]

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Sythe Verified User (SVU) is on a Do Not Suggest (DNS) list, but we can keep this suggestion open for now for the sake of having a discussion and to hopefully make you stop sharing your private information online. DO NOT TRUST STAFF MEMBERS, myself included.

Best regards,
BlackBlasses

Katana · Apr 11, 2023

BlackBlasses said:
Hello,

One one hand, you may feel safer trading with people that provided said platform with their IDs / have verified their identity in some way, but on the other hand there are now (presumably) multiple current staff members and future staff members with access to your ID. This may seems acceptable to you, until your online presence in this market is big enough that people could be interested in having your private information. You also don't know what said staff members do with this information. There have always been people with unhealthy (sometimes even pathological) obsession in digging is one's privacy, even on sythe and amongst staff members.
What is worse, you don't know how is this information stored, or if some staff members don't have your ID, or any information they were able to find on you stored somewhere. Imagine a staff member gets hacked (easily by downloading some RSPS client - I think this was Wortel's case).

Really, do not share your information online like this.

Is it even effective in preventing scams? One can easily fake an ID.

What you are suggesting is a big barrier for people (rightfully) worried about their privacy, while to scammers it's only a slight inconvenience, because now they have to fake their ID / have someone fake their ID / use someone else's ID.

I don't really feel like providing an ID myself, tbh.

/

[DENIED]Make upload a goberment ID verification option on sythe profiles
[DENIED] "Verified User"
Marketplace additions. [Eliminate scamming]

/

Sythe Verified User (SVU) is on a Do Not Suggest (DNS) list, but we can keep this suggestion open for now for the sake of having a discussion and to hopefully make you stop sharing your private information online. DO NOT TRUST STAFF MEMBERS, myself included.

Best regards,
BlackBlasses

I get where you're coming from but what's the worst someone can do with your ID? An ID also blocking address and DL number. Also if Sythe was more up to date, I could see ID verification being used and verified by only ADMINS or above. The whole of staff would not need that info.

BlackBlasses · Apr 11, 2023

Do not underestimate trolls.

EDIT: I will actually expand on this. With your name, you can search through other databases, whether it's forums, schools, social medias and you can find where someone lives, what are his phone numbers, where does he work, who are his relatives and what's their contact information.

You'd be happy if someone ordered you a food and didn't get you fired

Katana said:
could see ID verification being used and verified by only ADMINS or above. The whole of staff would not need that info.

Yeah, that's quite (not 100%, but quite) how it is with any recovery information of this nature, including IDs, but man if you don't mind a rectal scan from our admin team, then for sure. Our admins tend to be decent, but they are only humans too.

CheersMate · Apr 11, 2023

I guess I should have really posted this more in a discussion setting. I didn't really want any type of vote. Was just really looking for feedback.

BlackBlasses · Apr 11, 2023

I'll put it like this; the chance of someone misusing your ID is very slim, especially if you are not that active and people don't even know you exist / you haven't made anyone angry, but the potential damage it can cause is sufficiently big enough, that a significant % of our users would use a different platform (and that's not good your for you either. Competition is good).

The ID requirement is not stopping a scammer and it can give a customer a false sense of security, not realizing how easy it is to fake an ID.

President · Apr 11, 2023

Reserving this post. Will later give a couple of structural reasons why this is not a good idea.

BB's points about privacy are also solid

Katana · Apr 11, 2023

BlackBlasses said:
Do not underestimate trolls.

EDIT: I will actually expand on this. With your name, you can search through other databases, whether it's forums, schools, social medias and you can find where someone lives, what are his phone numbers, where does he work, who are his relatives and what's their contact information.

You'd be happy if someone ordered you a food and didn't get you fired

Yeah, that's quite (not 100%, but quite) how it is with any recovery information of this nature, including IDs, but man if you don't mind a rectal scan from our admin team, then for sure. Our admins tend to be decent, but they are only humans too.

I get you. I am sure there are trolls who wouldn't hesitate to fuck someone over but it's hard to find someone unless you have their email, home address or city/state, DOB, and full name. My name isn't even a common name and if I search it on google, I find hundreds of people with the same name.

If Admins were the only ones to see/verify ID verification and staff are still concerned about their privacy then maybe the admin approval process would need to be updated as well so that they actually have the trust of the community.

The ID requirement is not stopping a scammer and it can give a customer a false sense of security, not realizing how easy it is to fake an ID.

While this can be true, the easiest way to solve this is to take a selfie next to the ID. If you're worried about your selfie being blasted then we just go back to my previous point.

the admin approval process would need to be updated as well so that they actually have the trust of the community.

DISCLAIMER: I would only support this suggestion if the forums were updated to allow ID verification through a user interface instead of a thread post.