[DENIED] Dicing forum TWC

[Pathogen v2]

Reserve formulating thought

I am not opposed to players with donor rank that have TWC from dicing, but I believe they shouldn’t be allowed to auto call open bets in the forum. As most know the posts are followed with a simple Qnr2a, but that doesn’t prevent essentially a donor from getting brute forced into a bet against a non-trustworthy better.

The TWC rank is meant to protect the other party to be aware of the lack of trust that may be there, so having them request to call the bet would allow for the better to come to an agreement to take the additional risk.

For the most part any donor is deemed a certain level of trust and that’s why the open forum is fine, but a TWC rank negates that level of trust and should therefore need a consensus with the better willing to take the additional risk.

Just my opinion thanks.

 

[Tyler]

Imo that would be hard to moderate, I'm more of a fan of all or nothing. Either all users with TWC can dice (and leave it up to the people who make the bets to set terms as we have already done) or TWC users not allowed to dice at all.


I think @video wants to chime in here also.

 

[Heads447]

Just dice as you normally would but state "No TWC users" or something along those lines in your post. Problem solved?

 

[Pathogen v2]

Just dice as you normally would but state "No TWC users" or something along those lines in your post. Problem solved?

To have to constantly do that can be tedious and if you forget one time you can be put into Ann awkward situation. There are more non twc dicers than twcs, so simply making them verify the better is not much to ask for I would think

 

yea i mean id say most TWC are based off scams but not all are, so TWC doesnt always necessarily mean that person lost their trust. Theres many non-scam/trust related reasons someone could have a TWC.

But I do think that as a precaution it should be limited. If you have TWC youre limited to a certain amount say 25m max for each bet. You can still dice just theres a limit for you.

or put restrictions based off donor rank for everyone. and if you want to dice more than that restriction you would need to get a MM or permission from a mod. for example say you cant dice more than 3x your donor status. so say a $5 donor couldnt bet more than $15 worth. you rarely see $5 donors bet as it is but id say its reasonable. and then $50 donor cant bet more than $150. most bets fall between 20-100 so i dont think it would be a big problem for mods. they might have to give the occasional go ahead but it wouldnt cause a problem imo.

just a few ideas IF admins wanted to change/add a rule.

 

[PureCaper]

I agree 100%, also 5$ donors (like myself) should not be allowed to dice large amounts because they have nothing to lose by not paying out, unless they get an MM to hold pre-roll. In the case of your problem, the guy refused as soon as an MM was involved. That right there raises many red flags.

 

If you got for some reason TWC i think you should be worried about getting it removed, but not about dicing. In my opinion TWC'ed people shouldn't be allowed to dice at all.

 

It's an open market,
If I wanted to die my 500$ vs someone with trade with caution I feel as if I should the right too,
it's up to the user to decide if they deem the person trustworthy,
so sadly.. same reason as they didn't limit new account from making account rental threads... no support

 

[WooWoo]

Honestly I find the dicing rules in general need to be clarified and more in depth, as they stand there are many blanks as to what happens in issues that may arise.

As for TWC's some people have them for being sketchy, and others have them for poor trading practices such as poor pm's.

In your case, he rolled 99/150, odds were in his favor to win, you had the chance to cancel the bet and you did. If he rolled for example a 3/150 you probably would've said fuck it and rolled anyways wouldn't you? Willing to bet you would, as would most others probably.

In short the dicing rules should be overhauled.

 

[Pathogen v2]

It's an open market,
If I wanted to die my 500$ vs someone with trade with caution I feel as if I should the right too,
it's up to the user to decide if they deem the person trustworthy,
so sadly.. same reason as they didn't limit new account from making account rental threads... no support

I’m not prohibiting them, I’m saying for them to have to specifically ask, as the open invitation is really to a trusted community. Having a TWC has shown distrust in many situations and some may be opposed to that. Simple Pm if you have a twc opposed to 99% of the others having to constantly clutter posts with no TWC. Not saying they can’t dice

 

[video]

No one's forcing anyone to dice. It's very clear that dice lounge is basically a free-for-all gamble flipfest so if you choose to participate in that, you agree to the rules. That said, you have the freedom to set your own rules like "only $50+ donor can call this bet" or "TwC users cannot call this bet" when you post your wagers.

I like the donor dice lounge but to be quite frank, if people keep having to drag staff in to settle issues caused by their failure to clarify things in their initial dice roll posts, the thread will likely just be shut down for good. I do hope that doesn't happen so I will just warn anyone who wishes to keep the dice thread running to be diligent before participating

 

[Pathogen v2]

Honestly I find the dicing rules in general need to be clarified and more in depth, as they stand there are many blanks as to what happens in issues that may arise.

As for TWC's some people have them for being sketchy, and others have them for poor trading practices such as poor pm's.

In your case, he rolled 99/150, odds were in his favor to win, you had the chance to cancel the bet and you did. If he rolled for example a 3/150 you probably would've said fuck it and rolled anyways wouldn't you? Willing to bet you would, as would most others probably.

In short the dicing rules should be overhauled.

This is true to an extent, but to clarify prior to him personally I had requested him to use Ann MM. He private messaged me asking to roll and I stated I would only roll if an MM holds his cash as I don’t think he’s trustworthy; and for him to circumvent it by just posting shows even more to his distrustful behavior. You know me and I have no problem paying out big losses cost of gambling, but I’m not going to gamble not being paid out if I win if that makes sense.

But yes if it was a no brainer roll where he rolled 25/150 yes I woulda just rolled and got him banned for scamming, because I guarantee within the week he will be banned for scamming no doubt in my mind.

Off topic, yes the dicing rules could use a revamp for clarity

Edit: on top of the fact he had 99/150 it was almost a no brainer win that He gives gp to OMM and I roll. The fact Jen wouldn’t shows he was never going to pay out because even with 67% odds he’s not chancing it

 

[Heads447]

To have to constantly do that can be tedious and if you forget one time you can be put into Ann awkward situation. There are more non twc dicers than twcs, so simply making them verify the better is not much to ask for I would think

It's almost 2018, are you unfamiliar with copy and paste?

 

[Pathogen v2]

It's almost 2018, are you unfamiliar with copy and paste?

I do most of my rolls from my phone, so no I can’t just copy past everything. Like I said it was a simple recommendation to those who are TWC. There’s no reason the majority should be inconvenced for the minority atleast my opinion

 

[Ellyatt vans]

Support! TWC users should have to contact and confirm they are okay to dice.

 

[Heads447]

I do most of my rolls from my phone, so no I can’t just copy past everything. Like I said it was a simple recommendation to those who are TWC. There’s no reason the majority should be inconvenced for the minority atleast my opinion

If you have a smartphone (which I'm assuming you do ...again it's almost 2018), you can easily create a template in your notes/notepad app and copy and paste from there every time you want to post a wager.

As someone stated earlier, not all TWC's are related to suspicious behavior so it's not fair for someone who got a TWC for - let's say bad trading habits to be restricted from dicing.

 

[Pathogen v2]

If you have a smartphone (which I'm assuming you do ...again it's almost 2018), you can easily create a template in your notes/notepad app and copy and paste from there every time you want to post a wager.

As someone stated earlier, not all TWC's are related to suspicious behavior so it's not fair for someone who got a TWC for - let's say bad trading habits to be restricted from dicing.

Again I never said they should be restricted you’re putting words in my mouth. I said they should have to offer the courtesy of asking the better if they’ll be okay rolling against them in essentially what is a “going first” scenario

 

[Ellyatt vans]

Example of new rules

Rules & Steps to posting and accepting a bet

Posting
• State amount; this includes your bet and what they are betting. Simple example of this below.
• Full conditions of the bet must be posted in the thread, even if agreed to externally
• Posting a bet means you have funds avaliable for payout; failure to prove funds before or after duel may result in temporary ban/TWC

Accepting
•The first person to quote and roll the given conditions is the only to count.
•To accept a bet, you must quote the post you're accepting and post "I accept, X$" and roll within the given conditions.
•The other party should in turn quote them and roll.
•Users with Trade With Caution cannot autoaccept rolls. Must confirm via sythe PM first before roll to count.

Other
•Strictly no trolling or joking.
•Any participants are expected to make timely payments
•If you have any outstanding bets, you may not dice until debt is paid.
•In the event of a tie, nobody wins, and the bet ends there. No player is obligated to reroll.
•Dicing payouts cannot be vouched.

 

[Pathogen v2]

Example of new rules

Rules & Steps to posting and accepting a bet

Posting
• State amount; this includes your bet and what they are betting. Simple example of this below.
• Full conditions of the bet must be posted in the thread, even if agreed to externally
• Posting a bet means you have funds avaliable for payout; failure to prove funds before or after duel may result in temporary ban/TWC

Accepting
•The first person to quote and roll the given conditions is the only to count.
•To accept a bet, you must quote the post you're accepting and post "I accept, X$" and roll within the given conditions.
•The other party should in turn quote them and roll.
•Users with Trade With Caution cannot autoaccept rolls. Must confirm via sythe PM first before roll to count.

Other
•Strictly no trolling or joking.
•Any participants are expected to make timely payments
•If you have any outstanding bets, you may not dice until debt is paid.
•In the event of a tie, nobody wins, and the bet ends there. No player is obligated to reroll.
•Dicing payouts cannot be vouched.

I like it

 

[Ellyatt vans]

If you want to stop or make it harder for TWC people to dice, how about people that scammed, and ban evaded twice? @Pathogen v2
Pathogen V2 requesting Pardon misunderstanding

You recently just pardoned. my twc is from poor trading. u made up a bs report to get out of dicing me and you know it. i dont support these rules.
IF YOU WANT TO DICE STATE YOUR RULES IN YOUR POST ITS NOT HARD.
EXAMPLE: DICING 5MILL OSRS GP VS EQUIV IN BTC THE HIGHER NUMBER OF 100 WINS, NO TWC OR $5 DONORS ALLOWED TO ACCEPT /BET DICE.

I’d trust the moderators within sythe to decide if a person deserves or doesn’t a TWC rank.