[Denied] Never require ID verification for TWC removal

[President]

Hi friends,

• (Briefly) describe the problem: The ID verification is either an (unnecessary) infringement of privacy that is sometimes required to remove a TWC. Furthermore, this system may also steer users into TWC-evasion when they opt to not give out their personal details.
  
  
• What current rule(s) tackle this problem: No Home IP - Trade with caution (TWC)
  
  
• Explain the change that you want: Swallow the bullet and remove the ID verification process criterion. Require less privacy infringing information, such as (only) a bill + note with Sythe username.
  
  
• Explain why this change will fix the problem: Less information shared means that the privacy infringement is reduced. Furthermore, users will have less incentive to TWC-evade when the system is less demanding.
  
  
• Is the change proportionate? (Does the change weigh-up to its side effects?): One of the key questions is if this change comes at the cost of the quality of the monitoring system. A couple of responses to that. Firstly, the group of people that would TWC evade under the current model will reduce in size, because of the less demanding requirements. An increase in group size of people following the procedure means that more monitoring takes place. Secondly, users who will try to bypass the old system will also try to bypass the new system. Perhaps some of these people will be more successful in bypassing the new system, but given that a TWC for a small group of bypassers is at stake, that is a price I am willing to pay to preserve the privacy of a much larger group and to have fewer people TWC-evade.

Thank you for reading and have a good day

 

[Utopia]

In what instance is an ID required to remove a TWC? If they get a TWC for not posting from a home IP, can that be absolved with an ID or is that a whole separate case?

 

I don’t support this. All my bills I receive via email in a pdf form, and those can easily be faked.

Not only that, but it’s just as easy to copy a template of a bill + envelope, print it, and make it seem like the information on it is yours.

 

No support, making it easier to vade = making it easier to scam. There is already an issue with scamming/vading if they can’t post from home IP they are likely trying to be lucrative for a reason.

 

I would support this if there wasn't scammers around, and it wasn't so easy for people to ban evade and scam.

We would need something else in my eyes to map out a path to who is ban evading vs who isn't, and with that being said how is anyone meant to know without us the community reporting them? (i'm not saying staff need to waste their time hunting them down)

 

Maybe allow people to blur out the information they think it's sensitive from the ID, such as social security number

 

[Utopia]

Maybe allow people to blur out the information they think it's sensitive from the ID, such as social security number

Social security numbers aren’t on the ID’s we’re speaking of.

 

Social security numbers aren’t on the ID’s we’re speaking of.

Oh, thanks.

Well, any sensitive info will do I guess

 

[Departure]

Support, pretty ludicrous to trust users with your Driver's license. Especially since there has been cases of Sythe Admins and Mods abusing their status would hate for them to be able to black mail users with personal information.

Anecdotal. but any website that has asked for my ID to verify I just closed and never went back.

 

ID's are not required for Home IP removals, I'm not sure where you got this information. The rule states it MAY be required, but I can count on one hand with it only having 2 fingers how many times I required an ID, and that was because I knew the person was evading. It's a case by case, in most cases only proof of internet bills are required. I've also just checked a bunch of the most recent home ip twc removals, and none of them required an ID for the removal.

 

[President]

ID's are not required for Home IP removals, I'm not sure where you got this information. The rule states it MAY be required, but I can count on one hand with it only having 2 fingers how many times I required an ID, and that was because I knew the person was evading. It's a case by case, in most cases only proof of internet bills are required. I've also just checked a bunch of the most recent home ip twc removals, and none of them required an ID for the removal.

The suggestion sees to never require an ID verif instead of sometimes. I never said that it is mandatory procedure. Edit: anyway, edited the OP so that that bit is more clear

 

The suggestion sees to never require an ID verif instead of sometimes. I never said that it is mandatory procedure. Edit: anyway, edited the OP so that that bit is more clear

it's in your title; "Stop requiring ID verification for TWC removal" would suggest that it's required, when it's not. though to add, it's best to leave it as the possibility in the rule, so that when a really bad evader does come around and attempts to get a new account un-twc'd we would ask them to provide an ID to match the bill so that we have more information on the user. and to clarify some more, this isn't just for your some guy that scammed 10m and made a new account, this is for more extreme evaders

 

Not going to rehash; for reasons listed by Chell, Pirate, and Beast - no support.

 

The current dispute process is fine as is.

 

I think it's fine to require this in some cases.
Keep in mind it's not mandatory, they can simply continue using the site with a TWC rank.

 

This is at the staff's discretion whether to request an ID for TWC removal.