You tell me, is there a such thing as a Friendly scammer? Yes, there is, but if we look at the opposite, there is a such thing as a Mean Moderator, even Jagex has mean Moderator and they do a darn good job, I'm not saying Deacon Frost doesn't deserve Head User Educator; he simply needs to realize that he is a Moderator of the User Educator Forums simply because there is no other way to move posts other then being a moderator.
No Respect for User Education? It's Getting Old.
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HAI I R WANT BE USER EDUCATOR SO GET RANK
MAKE APPLICATION NOW
GUIDE 1: LERN HOW CHARGE UP UR IPOD
STEP 1: FIND IPOD
STEP 2: FIND FIND CORD
STEP 3: FIND COMPUTER
STEP 4: PLUG IPOD INTO COMPUTER WITH CORD
NOW U KNOW HOW CHARGE IPOD. PLZ ACCEPT APPLICATION.
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this is why you get no respect, I probably over exaggerated a bit too much, but this is practically what I see any time i wander over to the User Ed place, hell, almost ever user ed I've talked to has admitted they only did it for the rank. If you want respect your going to have to be a bit more selective on the applicants you choose, and the quality of the guides they produce...
MAKE APPLICATION NOW
GUIDE 1: LERN HOW CHARGE UP UR IPOD
STEP 1: FIND IPOD
STEP 2: FIND FIND CORD
STEP 3: FIND COMPUTER
STEP 4: PLUG IPOD INTO COMPUTER WITH CORD
NOW U KNOW HOW CHARGE IPOD. PLZ ACCEPT APPLICATION.
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this is why you get no respect, I probably over exaggerated a bit too much, but this is practically what I see any time i wander over to the User Ed place, hell, almost ever user ed I've talked to has admitted they only did it for the rank. If you want respect your going to have to be a bit more selective on the applicants you choose, and the quality of the guides they produce...
Yours truly has made it so if I see anything like that, EVEN IF they were to get accepted, they'll lose their rank as quick as they got it. Sure, I'll make it a vote, but persuasion is on my side. I'm tired of seeing those applications too, and it's the idiots that bring us down, not the actual people.
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Yes Yes Yes... You are missing 1 crucial fact... THEY HAVE FUCKING PORTABLE CHARGERS.
Okay on topic.
The guy with the chinese letters, you would not know how hard it is to be a HUE because they have huge responsibilities.
With your stupid attitude towards the people, it doesn't matter if you're pixel rich in a dumb game.
Donate all the money you want, you wont be respected.
Good luck in getting Mod Powers Deacon.
/me sex deacon.
That's an old issue then
. And doesn't brighten my spirits at all -.-. Even if it's true, we do our dues.Agreed.
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Congrats to Deacon and I fully agree with this. The User Ed's haven't been treated fair at all lately and this has to change. Also the head User Ed's (WoW andD Deacon) should be given the same right as other Mods.
Also, merging many forums into one doesn't seem like a smart idea to me because it would be all cramped and not very usefull.
ALSO: I read that whole post instead of just the first paragraph or 2 so this time, my say counts =P
Also, merging many forums into one doesn't seem like a smart idea to me because it would be all cramped and not very usefull
.ALSO: I read that whole post instead of just the first paragraph or 2 so this time, my say counts =P
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HUE names are under the boxes and the Forum Leaders list as moderators because that's how vB organizes them. We didn't choose to do that, vB did. When we go to give someone mod powers in a section, we add them under Forum Management. Once added, vB automatically labels the person as a mod, because that person now has mod powers. Now just because vB does it that way doesn't mean we have to run Sythe that way. Meaning, just because vB says you're some rank doesn't mean you are on Sythe.
A pretty decent example of this is Cheater. He was an admin - or at least that’s what vB said. He had the rank of admin and was listed on the Forum Leaders page as an admin. In reality, he had no admin powers whatsoever. Likewise, HUEs have the rank of moderator, but they do not have all of the powers of one.
Besides, I remember that I was asked to give HUE’s mod powers so that they could move guides around, lock the app polls, etc. Such are the duties of the HUEs - they need to organize the guides, set up all the polls, etc. The duties of the HUEs do not encompass all the ones moderators have. For example, it is not an HUE’s duty to go around and infract people on Sythe. Thus, they do not have the ability to infract.
The HUEs were given powers to run User Education properly, not the site. You can argue that sectional moderators were given powers to run their respective sections properly as well, and not the site, but it doesn’t work that way. Because in the past, right now, and perhaps in the future, User Education was not, is not, and may not be a major part of Sythe. I know you and the others have worked hard, and put a lot of time and effort into trying to make it a big thing. Unfortunately - and I do hate to say it, because I’ve seen the private forums and the work you guys put in - User Ed hasn’t gotten far.
Maybe that’s going to change, and maybe that isn’t. But as of right now, it isn’t. The RS section speaks for itself, as does the Market. The Programming section still does, to a lesser extent. The GFX section has grown tremendously over the past year or two, and I’ve personally watched its development; I was there when it began. Something for All has also taken off, though the flood of idiots through it doesn’t give it a good image xD I am not downplaying User Ed. I have respect for the section, and what several of you have done and are trying to do for it.
I’m just saying it the way I see it, which happens to be the way a lot of people see it.
I guess the point I’m trying to make here is why HUEs don’t have access to the Staff Lounge - because it’s not needed. It’s not a duty of theirs and it wasn’t one of the reasons why I was asked to give them mod powers. As for the modCP, you might argue for needing the ability to search for IPs to weed out the multi-accounters that reapply or whatnot, but that’s not enough.
So in the end, HUEs are not staff members, so they do not have all of the mod permissions, access to the modCP and Staff Lounge, and colored names.
Again, I mean no offense by the way I described User Ed. I mean it when I say I have a lot of respect for you guys. I know how much you put in, and how little you get out. But that’s the main problem. Not everyone respects you, and you know it. If you guys manage to change that in the future, and make User Ed big (I wish you the best of luck), like the other sections, then bring this issue up again when that happens, and we’ll reconsider.
Otherwise, HUEs will not be receiving any changes to their permissions.
P.S. Shredder doesn't have a color/bolded name because Clash forgot to do it a while ago, and no one else has bothered to do it since then. Otherwise, his name would be the same as Shawn_'s.
A pretty decent example of this is Cheater. He was an admin - or at least that’s what vB said. He had the rank of admin and was listed on the Forum Leaders page as an admin. In reality, he had no admin powers whatsoever. Likewise, HUEs have the rank of moderator, but they do not have all of the powers of one.
Besides, I remember that I was asked to give HUE’s mod powers so that they could move guides around, lock the app polls, etc. Such are the duties of the HUEs - they need to organize the guides, set up all the polls, etc. The duties of the HUEs do not encompass all the ones moderators have. For example, it is not an HUE’s duty to go around and infract people on Sythe. Thus, they do not have the ability to infract.
The HUEs were given powers to run User Education properly, not the site. You can argue that sectional moderators were given powers to run their respective sections properly as well, and not the site, but it doesn’t work that way. Because in the past, right now, and perhaps in the future, User Education was not, is not, and may not be a major part of Sythe. I know you and the others have worked hard, and put a lot of time and effort into trying to make it a big thing. Unfortunately - and I do hate to say it, because I’ve seen the private forums and the work you guys put in - User Ed hasn’t gotten far.
Maybe that’s going to change, and maybe that isn’t. But as of right now, it isn’t. The RS section speaks for itself, as does the Market. The Programming section still does, to a lesser extent. The GFX section has grown tremendously over the past year or two, and I’ve personally watched its development; I was there when it began. Something for All has also taken off, though the flood of idiots through it doesn’t give it a good image xD I am not downplaying User Ed. I have respect for the section, and what several of you have done and are trying to do for it.
I’m just saying it the way I see it, which happens to be the way a lot of people see it.
I guess the point I’m trying to make here is why HUEs don’t have access to the Staff Lounge - because it’s not needed. It’s not a duty of theirs and it wasn’t one of the reasons why I was asked to give them mod powers. As for the modCP, you might argue for needing the ability to search for IPs to weed out the multi-accounters that reapply or whatnot, but that’s not enough.
So in the end, HUEs are not staff members, so they do not have all of the mod permissions, access to the modCP and Staff Lounge, and colored names.
Again, I mean no offense by the way I described User Ed. I mean it when I say I have a lot of respect for you guys. I know how much you put in, and how little you get out. But that’s the main problem. Not everyone respects you, and you know it. If you guys manage to change that in the future, and make User Ed big (I wish you the best of luck), like the other sections, then bring this issue up again when that happens, and we’ll reconsider.
Otherwise, HUEs will not be receiving any changes to their permissions.
P.S. Shredder doesn't have a color/bolded name because Clash forgot to do it a while ago, and no one else has bothered to do it since then. Otherwise, his name would be the same as Shawn_'s.
Thank you Steph, then we will work for that, and push harder.
As for the other suggestions, first second and third, do you believe they may be possible?
As for the other suggestions, first second and third, do you believe they may be possible?
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Unfortunately I disagree with most of what you said. I will break it down for you.
Why was User Education created?
Sythe created User Education himself a long time ago, back before you, or even the name "Sythe.org" existed. He had posted 3 guides there, all very informative guides on how to General Computer related topics, like advanced HTML, PHP, etc. When Sythe.org was created User Education disappeared. Down the road we decided to add User Ed. because Users complained they couldn't find a place to find information. And so we created it. Eventually, User Ed. was reformed again, putting Unknown in charge, and giving him the right to make apps, etc. Eventually, it was yet AGAIN reformed, and WoW_sucks and Six became Head User Ed. Eventually, it was reformed again and you were given new ranks and such, and then a short time later you were put into power, Deacon.
Unknown specifically created Co-Head User Eds, for times like these. He knew he could not be here ALL the time, and he needed someone to help him, it is your job to help Unknown, and to ACT as Unknown when he is not here. You are the Head User Eds while he isn't around. You ARE the team leaders. You complain about being punished, yet your punishment is 100% warranted. We had a VERY good reason to do so.
Asking for help from others? I constantly, almost daily ask for help from my peers and the people above me, such as Clash, Steph, Matt, and Annex. I always ask for their approval, advice, and so on.
Now -- to your suggestions.
Proposal 1)
You want a new section where the Head User Educators will move the guides with more votes to get regular everyday User comments.
What you should be doing instead of this is putting the best guides as stickies and putting those into a special section as a reward for the amazing guides that some (but not all) of your user educators produce.
Proposal 2)
You want a new section for Graphical Tutorials.
This is not happening, and it will never happen as most of the User Educators are not as informed about Photoshop, Cinema 4D and the likes as the Graphic Mods. Sorry.
Proposal 3)
You want Programming to be merged.
This will not be happening either for similar reasons as mentioned above.
Proposal 4)
You want to be treated as a Staff member.
Unfortunately, the staff keeps their position upon this and we consider you not part of the staff. Why?
Unlike Graphic Mods, Something For All Mods, etc. you are not there to 'police' the sections, you are there to guide your User Educators in their doing. You did not become a Head User Ed. because your area was getting spammy and we needed some help. Unless there are some major changes, there will never be more than 2 Co-User Eds, while the number of other mods fluctuate. All your images are just minor boundaries set by VBulletin which we cannot change. Maybe Vbulletin considers you mods, we do not.
Proposal 5)
You want access to the ModCP.
Upon looking on your picture, I noticed a little thing on the left side. It read 'Zoints Hacks'. What is this Zoints Hacks? This is the thing I posted in the Announcement. This allows you to ban anyone from accessing your area of the website. This already is not 'nothing', as you can do something. Also, you had access to the ModCP, and Six blew your chance, and now you want it back. You should not be blaming us for this, you should be yelling at Six. Perhaps those above me may decide to give you some more power one day, but that will not be happening anytime soon.
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What do I think User Ed needs?
Recognition. We are currently redeveloping the way the community gets News from Sythe.org Hopefully, we will be able to give you the ability to advertise new guides that you have posted that are helpful. Another thing we should do is allow User Eds more powers in other sections. For example, allowing User Eds. to backseat mod to an extent, explaining that double posting is bad, etc.
The current main problem I see in the User Ed. is that your standards are way too low, your guides are somewhat stupid. How to create a a "Pimpin' Myspace".
Posted by You.
I consider this a Joke, as you should be teaching them things that are actually helpful. You claim RS won't get you through life, well neither will "Pimpin' Myspaces".
That is all.
Why was User Education created?
Sythe created User Education himself a long time ago, back before you, or even the name "Sythe.org" existed. He had posted 3 guides there, all very informative guides on how to General Computer related topics, like advanced HTML, PHP, etc. When Sythe.org was created User Education disappeared. Down the road we decided to add User Ed. because Users complained they couldn't find a place to find information. And so we created it. Eventually, User Ed. was reformed again, putting Unknown in charge, and giving him the right to make apps, etc. Eventually, it was yet AGAIN reformed, and WoW_sucks and Six became Head User Ed. Eventually, it was reformed again and you were given new ranks and such, and then a short time later you were put into power, Deacon.
Unknown specifically created Co-Head User Eds, for times like these. He knew he could not be here ALL the time, and he needed someone to help him, it is your job to help Unknown, and to ACT as Unknown when he is not here. You are the Head User Eds while he isn't around. You ARE the team leaders. You complain about being punished, yet your punishment is 100% warranted. We had a VERY good reason to do so.
Asking for help from others? I constantly, almost daily ask for help from my peers and the people above me, such as Clash, Steph, Matt, and Annex. I always ask for their approval, advice, and so on.
Now -- to your suggestions.
Proposal 1)
You want a new section where the Head User Educators will move the guides with more votes to get regular everyday User comments.
What you should be doing instead of this is putting the best guides as stickies and putting those into a special section as a reward for the amazing guides that some (but not all) of your user educators produce.
Proposal 2)
You want a new section for Graphical Tutorials.
This is not happening, and it will never happen as most of the User Educators are not as informed about Photoshop, Cinema 4D and the likes as the Graphic Mods. Sorry.
Proposal 3)
You want Programming to be merged.
This will not be happening either for similar reasons as mentioned above.
Proposal 4)
You want to be treated as a Staff member.
Unfortunately, the staff keeps their position upon this and we consider you not part of the staff. Why?
Unlike Graphic Mods, Something For All Mods, etc. you are not there to 'police' the sections, you are there to guide your User Educators in their doing. You did not become a Head User Ed. because your area was getting spammy and we needed some help. Unless there are some major changes, there will never be more than 2 Co-User Eds, while the number of other mods fluctuate. All your images are just minor boundaries set by VBulletin which we cannot change. Maybe Vbulletin considers you mods, we do not.
Proposal 5)
You want access to the ModCP.
Upon looking on your picture, I noticed a little thing on the left side. It read 'Zoints Hacks'. What is this Zoints Hacks? This is the thing I posted in the Announcement. This allows you to ban anyone from accessing your area of the website. This already is not 'nothing', as you can do something. Also, you had access to the ModCP, and Six blew your chance, and now you want it back. You should not be blaming us for this, you should be yelling at Six. Perhaps those above me may decide to give you some more power one day, but that will not be happening anytime soon.
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What do I think User Ed needs?
Recognition. We are currently redeveloping the way the community gets News from Sythe.org Hopefully, we will be able to give you the ability to advertise new guides that you have posted that are helpful. Another thing we should do is allow User Eds more powers in other sections. For example, allowing User Eds. to backseat mod to an extent, explaining that double posting is bad, etc.
The current main problem I see in the User Ed. is that your standards are way too low, your guides are somewhat stupid. How to create a a "Pimpin' Myspace".
Posted by You.
I consider this a Joke, as you should be teaching them things that are actually helpful. You claim RS won't get you through life, well neither will "Pimpin' Myspaces".
That is all.
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So... That whole friggin' post was one big plea for more power?
Great...
EDIT: Yakov just about summed everything up.
Great...
EDIT: Yakov just about summed everything up.
Just thought i'd butt in.
alot of stuff has been said, so i'm, not taking sides, but just a note -
we are trying to get User Education 'big.' I, for one, use UE moderately often. How do we know whether or not User Ed is big, when the only people who can post there are the UE's themselves?
alot of stuff has been said, so i'm, not taking sides, but just a note -
we are trying to get User Education 'big.' I, for one, use UE moderately often. How do we know whether or not User Ed is big, when the only people who can post there are the UE's themselves?
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You say you don't get respected dude...I get atleast 3 noob's a day ask me question's via adding me on MSN or via PM. If they need eucation why the fuck can't they go to the forum where they will be helped instead of asking me! "A non user educater" Why should I have to answer their question's when I'm not even a user ed...I do it anyway trying to help out. Then what do I get? I get blocked not even thanked just blocked..Anyone else who add's me or PM's me about anything will get a simple "FUCK OFF" for now on.
I'M NOT A USER EDUCATER SO STOP ASKING ME QUESTION'S! GO TO THE RIGHT SECTION AND ASK FFS!
I'M NOT A USER EDUCATER SO STOP ASKING ME QUESTION'S! GO TO THE RIGHT SECTION AND ASK FFS!
They only don't help behind the scenes because they don't get a chance too, i'm sure they'd love to help out...
I agree with you completly Deacon.
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Dude stop whining about u bein so great becaus u have that ranked and u donated , ur just a chinese rank farmer詹姆斯;1939583 said:
K so lemme get this straight.
You want HUE=Mods/Sectional.
Everyone wants what it is at the moment.
And pimpin myspace isn't helpful.
And since I like messing around my ending statement
GFX MOD > HUE
SUCK IT!!!
<3 Deacon.
You want HUE=Mods/Sectional.
Everyone wants what it is at the moment.
And pimpin myspace isn't helpful.
And since I like messing around my ending statement
GFX MOD > HUE
SUCK IT!!!
<3 Deacon.
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