Donald Trump

[Xier0]

Why is it better to have people in authority who have a financial record by an infinite margin?

Can you not be so broad? Who are you referring to? I've already explained the debt issue in my previous post.

My last boss was a crack addict and drowned in debt. I prefer my new boss who, although he came from a wealthy family, 10x+ed the profits of his business that he rebuilt from the ground up.

So, since having businesses crash and burn isn't very productive, and having businesses become profitable is a mutual benefit for the stakeholders, it's pretty fucking obvious why people who have authority over others (particularly where money & time management are involved), are adept at managing people's time and money.

Would you lend money to a crack addict? Or invest with someone who has a past record of overwhelming financial failures?

Is it not common knowledge that Donald Trump inherented a vast amount of money?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

So what? Are you discriminating against rich people?

Should we praise him for being heir to this prize that was already established, and use that status to deter those of a lesser income status?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I don't praise or condemn anyone for birth circumstances clearly beyond their control... No one does/thinks this.....

You mean the wallstreet guys who are openly breaking the law and using their wealth as a get out of jail free card?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

No, I don't mean thieves. I said WHITE people and RICH people, and you -immediately- used a racial slur against them and called them "wall street law breakers" and stereotyped their behavior.

You need to give me more examples of whites and rich people being "demonized".

Well, twice in your previous post where you used the genetic fallacy against Trump to slur his character for being rich, and when you strawmanned and stereotyped whites & rich people as law breakers. Also, every time that there is a racial disparity in crime, headlines mention white attacker kills black victim FAR FAR FAR more often, even though blacks murder whites at many times the rate of the former.

You know he has other talking points, right? One in specific is to stop funding prisons.

It's funny as well because Bernie is one of the largest discriminators and leaders of the anti-rich movement. All of his propaganda discriminates against billionaires, large businesses, and the top 1%. Furthermore, his EXPLICIT anti-white statement in front of millions of people in the democratic debate, where he said that only black lives matter instead of every life. All lives other than black do not matter to Bernie Sanders, he said this in front of millions of people, yet somehow, Donald Trump is the racist.

Is he white or not? If there is an anti-white movement going on, so many minorities wouldn't be in favor of him because he's white, correct? Or is that not how the movement works?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Don't even pretend that someone can't spout offensive rhetoric about their own race:

The United States Census uses the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race.

/derp

Nice statist source... let's use google!

Regardless, this is semantics, and Trump didn't use the word Hispanics anyway...

 

[Xier0]

He is referring to Mexican immigrants. Mexican is a race. Drop the semantics.

Immigrants are not a race. Mexican is not a race. American is not a race (except Native American, who are mostly extinct).

No matter how much you say that Mexican is a race, or Illegal Immigrants are a race, it does not make them a race.

Note: I don't think use or possession of drugs is a crime of any sort, but, Trump's statement of people bringing drugs from Mexico is, obviously, factually correct.

 

My last boss was a crack addict and drowned in debt. I prefer my new boss who, although he came from a wealthy family, 10x+ed the profits of his business that he rebuilt from the ground up.

So, since having businesses crash and burn isn't very productive, and having businesses become profitable is a mutual benefit for the stakeholders, it's pretty fucking obvious why people who have authority over others (particularly where money & time management are involved), are adept at managing people's time and money.

Would you lend money to a crack addict? Or invest with someone who has a past record of overwhelming financial failures?

I believe you're misinformed about the position of a President. Donald Trump is not campaigning for a job at the bank. Having political knowledge/experience, speech prowess, and leadership skills are qualities that are sought after in a President. All of the above are not equivalent, nor have anything to do with your financial status. You can be rich and not have any leadership qualities.

So what? Are you discriminating against rich people?

Where are you getting this from? Because I said Donald Trump inherited his wealth? This must be a joke. You're praising him as IF he obtained what he has now from nothing. I don't like Donald Trump because he's rich, no.

If I dislike Donald Trump because he's rich, I must also hate Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg. However, this is simply not the case.

I don't praise or condemn anyone for birth circumstances clearly beyond their control... No one does/thinks this

All the candidates are shit, but at a bare minimum, having someone who has a lifetime of experience generating profit in their job is far better than having someone who has a lifetime of experience generating debt.

This is what prompt me to announce how much he inherited.

When you receive a large sum of money, it's not hard to make a profit with it.

When you receive a large debt, it's not hard to increase that debt.

Comparing the two makes no sense.

No, I don't mean thieves. I said WHITE people and RICH people, and you -immediately- used a racial slur against them and called them "wall street law breakers" and stereotyped their behavior.

Good one. I meant Bernie Madoff, who to my knowledge is white and rich. You don't hear any white, rich people being demonized unless it's for a good reason. A few more examples are Donald Sterling, Paula Deen, and Donald Trump, all for good reasons.

Well, twice in your previous post where you used the genetic fallacy against Trump to slur his character for being rich, and when you strawmanned and stereotyped whites & rich people as law breakers. Also, every time that there is a racial disparity in crime, headlines mention white attacker kills black victim FAR FAR FAR more often, even though blacks murder whites at many times the rate of the former.

Donald Trump, really? Read above.

Racial disparity in crime? I thought this was about RICH, WHITE PEOPLE. You could only name Donald Trump, who is deserving for the media criticism he gets? Really? This basically summarizes the strength of the majority of your arguments, if not all.

It's funny as well because Bernie is one of the largest discriminators and leaders of the anti-rich movement. All of his propaganda discriminates against billionaires, large businesses, and the top 1%. Furthermore, his EXPLICIT anti-white statement in front of millions of people in the democratic debate, where he said that only black lives matter instead of every life.

He's anti-rich because he doesn't want government funded organizations to abuse the system at the expense of the people? Gotcha. Please save the dribble.

All lives other than black do not matter to Bernie Sanders, he said this in front of millions of people, yet somehow, Donald Trump is the racist.

Proof of this?

Don't even pretend that someone can't spout offensive rhetoric about their own race

Please explain the movement to me, rather than leave links that are the effect of your cause. I have to insinuate what you're spewing because you purposely avoid your own talking points.

As I said above, I need proof of this.

Regardless, this is semantics, and Trump didn't use the word Hispanics anyway...

As Mexicans make up the majority of Latinos in the United States, when the non-Latino population is asked to comment on their perception of Latinos, they tend to think of Mexicans which is often based on stereotypes of Mexicans fueled by the media which focuses on illegal immigration.

We're talking about semantics right? We, Americans, refer to Mexicans as Hispanics.

If I said what Donald said about Mexicans to Africans, is it okay because I didn't say blacks?

Same argument here.

 

[BamZam]

To be honest, how is it that USA, a first-world country and a very influential one at that, can allow such a lowly person like Donald Trump to even be allowed to run for President? It is utterly absurd and disturbing that he can run his mouth off while on television and incite hate towards other racial groups.

 

[Jake]

To be honest, how is it that USA, a first-world country and a very influential one at that, can allow such a lowly person like Donald Trump to even be allowed to run for President? It is utterly absurd and disturbing that he can run his mouth off while on television and incite hate towards other racial groups.

The First Amendment

 

[Xier0]

I believe you're misinformed about the position of a President. Donald Trump is not campaigning for a job at the bank. Having political knowledge/experience, speech prowess, and leadership skills are qualities that are sought after in a President. All of the above are not equivalent, nor have anything to do with your financial status. You can be rich and not have any leadership qualities.

I never said president, I said authority, you are intentionally misrepresenting my argument, which is a strawman fallacy. I don't support the idea that anyone should be magically bestowed the title president and suddenly it's OK for him to steal everyone's money and drop bombs on people he doesn't like. You act as if I somehow support Donald Trump becoming president and stealing people's money and likely dropping more bombs like his predecessors, when that is clearly immoral.

If I dislike Donald Trump because he's rich, I must also hate Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg. However, this is simply not the case.

So why use racial slurs like "wall street law breakers"? Your immediate and literal first image of the characteristics "White" and "Rich" were criminals. If I had called "Black" and "Poor" people criminals based on those characteristics alone, it would clearly be a racial slur based on stereotypes.

This is what prompt me to announce how much he inherited.

When you receive a large sum of money, it's not hard to make a profit with it.

Initial investment is a necessary, but not sufficient part of profiting. Large initial investment money =/= significantly easier or higher profits.

When you receive a large debt, it's not hard to increase that debt.

Don't even bother to attempt to defend gov't spending.

Good one. I meant Bernie Madoff, who to my knowledge is white and rich.

No you fucking didn't, don't backpedal lmao, I referenced rich and white people as a whole and you responded with a slur. Bernie Madoff has not been mentioned at all, only Bernie Sanders, the outspoken racist. Anyways, if Bernie Madoff committed financial theft, he should repay his victims and serve punishment. I'm not defending any financial thieves, so don't misrepresent my argument to say that I am.

You don't hear any white, rich people being demonized unless it's for a good reason. A few more examples are Donald Sterling, Paula Deen, and Donald Trump, all for good reasons.

NO. This is false. "The 1%", and "Ultra Rich", are CONSTANTLY under fire. People insult white and rich people all the time, they insult them with slurs like "privileged", "racist", "greedy", etc.

Racial disparity in crime? I thought this was about RICH, WHITE PEOPLE. You could only name Donald Trump, who is deserving for the media criticism he gets? Really? This basically summarizes the strength of the majority of your arguments, if not all.

No. We are talking about in the MEDIA. Any time that a crime is committed and the offender is white and victim is black, the race of both are mentioned, even if the crime has nothing to do with race. Think about Zimmerman, think about Casebolt, think about Darren Wilson, etc. However, whenever the victim is black and offender is white (or victim is black and offender is black), the races are not brought up.

He's anti-rich because he doesn't want government funded organizations to abuse the system at the expense of the people? Gotcha. Please save the dribble.

...He's a Socialist, and you say that he doesn't want government funded organizations to abuse the system at the expense of the people, then you say that my argument is dribble.

Lmao. It's like you have never even browsed this site before. Here you go: http://www.sythe.org/something-all/...sm-fails-why-our-society-being-destroyed.html

We're talking about semantics right? We, Americans, refer to Mexicans as Hispanics.

Except Donald Trump did not say Hispanics. He said Mexicans. Which is not a race. Which I have to keep repeating. Which means he could say Mexicans should suck his dick, and it wouldn't make him a racist. He would still be an asshole, but not a racist asshole.

As I said above, I need proof of this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/14/every-dem-but-webb-black-lives-matter.html

“Do black lives matter, or do all lives matter? Let’s put that question to Senator Sanders,” a bespectacled Anderson Cooper asked.

“Black lives matter,” Sanders responded to uproarious cheers.

 

I never said president, I said authority, you are intentionally misrepresenting my argument, which is a strawman fallacy. I don't support the idea that anyone should be magically bestowed the title president and suddenly it's OK for him to steal everyone's money and drop bombs on people he doesn't like. You act as if I somehow support Donald Trump becoming president and stealing people's money and likely dropping more bombs like his predecessors, when that is clearly immoral.

This whole topic is about Donald Trump and presidency. To say you weren't talking about the presidency position is another tactic to avoid my, and your talking points, as you do often.

Being rich =/= Having leadership

all I stated was that it's better to have people in authority who have a better financial record by an infinite margin.

I asked why it's better, and you gave me this dribble.

My reasoning is literally that financially profitable people are more likely to be better leaders than those who accumulate generations worth of debt

So.. Those who are rich are more likely to be better leaders than those who "accumulate generations worth of debt".

Do you have a source on this? To my understanding, having leadership is not correspondent to wealth in any way.

Don't give me this either:

My last boss was a crack addict and drowned in debt. I prefer my new boss who, although he came from a wealthy family, 10x+ed the profits of his business that he rebuilt from the ground up.

So, since having businesses crash and burn isn't very productive, and having businesses become profitable is a mutual benefit for the stakeholders, it's pretty fucking obvious why people who have authority over others (particularly where money & time management are involved), are adept at managing people's time and money.

Would you lend money to a crack addict? Or invest with someone who has a past record of overwhelming financial failures?

So why use racial slurs like "wall street law breakers"? Your immediate and literal first image of the characteristics "White" and "Rich" were criminals. If I had called "Black" and "Poor" people criminals based on those characteristics alone, it would clearly be a racial slur based on stereotypes.

Yes, pinpoint on me trying to recall an event where a rich, white person was "demonized" in the media for good reason. I was thinking of a article title when I was trying recall the bankers name, Bernie Madoff, and his sons.

Elizabeth Warren Has Had It With The SEC's Aid To Wall Street Lawbreakers

Initial investment is a necessary, but not sufficient part of profiting. Large initial investment money =/= significantly easier or higher profits.

Are you saying it's not easy to profit when you have a lot of starting money to work with?

Don't even bother to attempt to defend gov't spending.

Don't need to. This article does it for me.

Source

No you fucking didn't, don't backpedal lmao, I referenced rich and white people as a whole and you responded with a slur. Bernie Madoff has not been mentioned at all, only Bernie Sanders, the outspoken racist. Anyways, if Bernie Madoff committed financial theft, he should repay his victims and serve punishment. I'm not defending any financial thieves, so don't misrepresent my argument to say that I am.

Bernie Madoff is basically the whole wall street scandal. How can I not be speaking of him? If we're talking about white, rich people "demonized" in the media, why would I mention Bernie Sanders? That makes no sense.

NO. This is false. "The 1%", and "Ultra Rich", are CONSTANTLY under fire. People insult white and rich people all the time, they insult them with slurs like "privileged", "racist", "greedy", etc.

Still waiting for examples...

No. We are talking about in the MEDIA. Any time that a crime is committed and the offender is white and victim is black, the race of both are mentioned, even if the crime has nothing to do with race. Think about Zimmerman, think about Casebolt, think about Darren Wilson, etc. However, whenever the victim is black and offender is white (or victim is black and offender is black), the races are not brought up.

I wonder why.. Maybe because whites are the majority, and blacks are the minority, whom are purposely being targeted disproportionately, and more so than whites per capita. Should I pull up the Ferguson investigation again? Or does that not matter to you?

...He's a Socialist, and you say that he doesn't want government funded organizations to abuse the system at the expense of the people, then you say that my argument is dribble.

Everyone knows he supports socialism and wants to combine socialism and capitalism like other Nordic countries to mimic their success. This of course, has nothing to do with the original argument, as you continue to sway away from.

Except Donald Trump did not say Hispanics. He said Mexicans. Which is not a race. Which I have to keep repeating. Which means he could say Mexicans should suck his dick, and it wouldn't make him a racist. He would still be an asshole, but not a racist asshole.

If I said what Donald said about Mexicans to Africans, is it okay because I didn't say blacks?

Same argument here.

Derp. Keep trying to avoid talking points.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...es-matter.html

It was a pragmatic political move for the Democrats. By the way, it was a trick question, a trap, but the other four Democrats did their homework and answered that question diplomatically. Yes, that's right, Bernie wasn't the only one who said Black lives matter, which would be the right answer from both a diplomatic standpoint, and a logical one. If all lives matter, which is simply not true because we (Americans) have been known to torture, and kill other lives without much regard, it would be hypocritical to choose that as an answer.

 

To be honest, how is it that USA, a first-world country and a very influential one at that, can allow such a lowly person like Donald Trump to even be allowed to run for President? It is utterly absurd and disturbing that he can run his mouth off while on television and incite hate towards other racial groups.

It's easy to play on people's fear, especially for those who are not educated

 

[Xier0]

This whole topic is about Donald Trump and presidency. To say you weren't talking about the presidency position is another tactic to avoid my, and your talking points, as you do often.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I never even mentioned the presidency position, I in fact, specifically excluded it, because I am against the presidency. You keep saying I am "avoiding" your point, but I am not making that claim that you are attacking.

I asked why it's better, and you gave me this dribble.

So.. Those who are rich are more likely to be better leaders than those who "accumulate generations worth of debt".

Do you have a source on this? To my understanding, having leadership is not correspondent to wealth in any way.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

You were the one who INSISTED that I elaborate on an off topic point. The only reason you are committing a fallacy and calling it "dribble" is because you can't actually defeat my argument.

Still waiting for examples...

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

I already mentioned 5 instances in this thread alone (3 of them in the next line which you clearly didn't read or address), don't just ignore them, I've already far beyond proven my point.

I wonder why.. Maybe because whites are the majority, and blacks are the minority, whom are purposely being targeted disproportionately, and more so than whites per capita. Should I pull up the Ferguson investigation again? Or does that not matter to you?

No, of course it doesn't matter to me, lmao. "Whites are the majority" is not a reason to slander them. It is a statement of fact.

Everyone knows he supports socialism and wants to combine socialism and capitalism like other Nordic countries to mimic their success. This of course, has nothing to do with the original argument, as you continue to sway away from.

You do realize socialism is a violent ideology that claimed over 100 million lives in the last century alone? It's core philosophy is wealth/property theft & redistribution.

Derp. Keep trying to avoid talking points.

Your imaginary strawmans of my claims aren't "Talking points". Mexicans are not a race. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it correct.

It was a pragmatic political move for the Democrats. By the way, it was a trick question, a trap,

It's a "trap" to not discriminate against any particular race, and say that all races are equal? Look at your doublethink, it's pathetic.

Yes, that's right, Bernie wasn't the only one who said Black lives matter, which would be the right answer from both a diplomatic standpoint, and a logical one. If all lives matter, which is simply not true because we (Americans) have been known to torture, and kill other lives without much regard, it would be hypocritical to choose that as an answer.

Wow. When I said earlier that no one discriminates against people because of birth conditions beyond your control, I guess I didn't include you and other racists. Fuck you, my life matters even if I wasn't born black. I can't believe you feel that people's lives don't matter unless they are black. How can you say it is simply not true that lives other than black do not matter? How can you logically prove that White, Asian, Indian, and Hispanic lives do not matter?

 

I never even mentioned the presidency position, I in fact, specifically excluded it, because I am against the presidency. You keep saying I am "avoiding" your point, but I am not making that claim that you are attacking.

Premise of this thread:

If you're going to vote for this guy, please tell me why.

All the candidates are shit, but at a bare minimum, having someone who has a lifetime of experience generating profit in their job is far better than having someone who has a lifetime of experience generating debt.

> Talks about candidates
> Claims not to talk about presidency

You were the one who INSISTED that I elaborate on an off topic point. The only reason you are committing a fallacy and calling it "dribble" is because you can't actually defeat my argument.

I'm calling your arguments dribble, and this is exactly why. The burden of proof is on you, and you fail to retort, only to claim I'm "committing a fallacy", in an attempt to excuse yourself from further expanding on your position which is...

having someone who has a lifetime of experience generating profit in their job is far better than having someone who has a lifetime of experience generating debt.

Still waiting on a source for this.

I already mentioned 5 instances in this thread alone (3 of them in the next line which you clearly didn't read or address), don't just ignore them, I've already far beyond proven my point.

"Think about Zimmerman, think about Casebolt, think about Darren Wilson"

Zimmerman is racist. If you've followed his activity post case, it confirms this.

One example: George Zimmerman Goes On Racist And Homophobic Twitter Tirade In Wake Of Virginia Shooting

Casebolt did not handle his job professionally, which led to him resigning. Dragging a 14 year old girl? Really?

"Our policies, our training, our practice, do not support his actions," Police Chief Greg Conley said. "He came into the call out of control, and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/mckinney-texas-pool-party-video/

Darren Wilson racist?

Reading this article should say it all.

No, of course it doesn't matter to me, lmao. "Whites are the majority" is not a reason to slander them. It is a statement of fact.

Of course investigation reports that show minorities are purposely being targeted doesn't matter to you, defender of the racists.

You're so small minded.

Whites are the majority so of course they will lead in all categories, solely by face value numbers alone. When you take into account, capita, the numbers change, showing disparity.

You do realize socialism is a violent ideology that claimed over 100 million lives in the last century alone? It's core philosophy is wealth/property theft & redistribution.

As I explained prior to this, I'm not going to get into economic systems.

Your imaginary strawmans of my claims aren't "Talking points". Mexicans are not a race. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it correct.

Africans are not a race either. If I were to say, "Africans are violent people", am I not being racist?

Well, if you want to get down to semantics.

Race has many definitions.

1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

2. a population so related.

3. Anthropology.
a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.

5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

As you can see, one of these can be segregation by skin colour, another can be by ethnic group, so you can use racism.

It's a "trap" to not discriminate against any particular race, and say that all races are equal? Look at your doublethink, it's pathetic.

Was the question, do the lives of all races matter?

Wow. When I said earlier that no one discriminates against people because of birth conditions beyond your control, I guess I didn't include you and other racists. Fuck you, my life matters even if I wasn't born black. I can't believe you feel that people's lives don't matter unless they are black. How can you say it is simply not true that lives other than black do not matter? How can you logically prove that White, Asian, Indian, and Hispanic lives do not matter?

Read above. Stop jumping to conclusions.

 

[Hostblapstat]

To be honest, how is it that USA, a first-world country and a very influential one at that, can allow such a lowly person like Donald Trump to even be allowed to run for President? It is utterly absurd and disturbing that he can run his mouth off while on television and incite hate towards other racial groups.

Thats what I was thinking, how the fuck has Donald Trump even gotten this far!?!?!?

 

[Pursumew]

Interesting read.. I've come to the conclusion that Xier0 is a closeted racist who tells himself he's not racist. I don't know why you guys even bother to argue with him. After he said Donald Trump wasn't racist, that should've been the end of the convo tbh

Im gonna request a close because this thread is getting out of hand and is 100% what i did not want

 

[Giiinger]

who canw e actually vote for when all candidates are so bad, like ben carson cant even see what america is doing wrong ( joke about him always squinting) LOL

 

Who do you guys think is better than Trump right now? Both leading Democratic candidates are abysmal and Carson is a nut head. If you really think Bernie can realistically raise minimum wage to 15$, make healthcare free, AS WELL AS make all public universities free, you are living in an imaginary world.

I would rather have a middle schooler hold the nuclear codes than Trump

 

[ItzMoses]

Yeah i can vote and im definitely not voting for him and if he becomes president i might try and move to Canada or somewhere decent.

 

[Xier0]

Interesting read.. I've come to the conclusion that Xier0 is a closeted racist who tells himself he's not racist. I don't know why you guys even bother to argue with him. After he said Donald Trump wasn't racist, that should've been the end of the convo tbh

Im gonna request a close because this thread is getting out of hand and is 100% what i did not want

There is a total possibility that Trump is a racist. He may say or do something racist in the future, but nothing he has done so far is racist.

It really goes to show the state of propaganda when people call Trump racist, but Bernie Sanders can literally say that people's lives do not matter because of their skin color.

I've asked Ghast, OP, and others repetitively to show any proof that Trump is racist, and they can't even produce a single quote. However, they will defend Bernie Sanders' explicit racist and classist vitriol, which is the basis of his campaign.

Was the question, do the lives of all races matter?

....Yes? The question was "Do Black lives matter or do all lives matter". Black is, clearly, part of "all". And Bernie said that people's lives do not matter unless they are black.

 

....Yes? The question was "Do Black lives matter or do all lives matter". Black is, clearly, part of "all". And Bernie said that people's lives do not matter unless they are black.

It's a trick question. "All lives" isn't specific to race, just lives. If all lives truly matter, why do we kill indiscriminately with drones? We certainly don't act like all lives matter.

The lives of all races matter without a doubt, however that wasn't asked.

 

[GoldenAlpha]

Trump is literally a douche bag.... even tho I am not american if this man became president - america would be no more for real.... rich billionare what do you expect boys

 

[uJesternWind]

It's startling to me the amount of support he has. What started out as a joke campaign could soon lead to something a lot worse if the polls keep going this way..

 

[Abe]

I fucking hate him as well..