Donald Trump

My last boss was a crack addict and drowned in debt. I prefer my new boss who, although he came from a wealthy family, 10x+ed the profits of his business that he rebuilt from the ground up.

So, since having businesses crash and burn isn't very productive, and having businesses become profitable is a mutual benefit for the stakeholders, it's pretty fucking obvious why people who have authority over others (particularly where money & time management are involved), are adept at managing people's time and money.

Would you lend money to a crack addict? Or invest with someone who has a past record of overwhelming financial failures?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

So what? Are you discriminating against rich people?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I don't praise or condemn anyone for birth circumstances clearly beyond their control... No one does/thinks this.....

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

No, I don't mean thieves. I said WHITE people and RICH people, and you -immediately- used a racial slur against them and called them "wall street law breakers" and stereotyped their behavior.

Well, twice in your previous post where you used the genetic fallacy against Trump to slur his character for being rich, and when you strawmanned and stereotyped whites & rich people as law breakers. Also, every time that there is a racial disparity in crime, headlines mention white attacker kills black victim FAR FAR FAR more often, even though blacks murder whites at many times the rate of the former.

It's funny as well because Bernie is one of the largest discriminators and leaders of the anti-rich movement. All of his propaganda discriminates against billionaires, large businesses, and the top 1%. Furthermore, his EXPLICIT anti-white statement in front of millions of people in the democratic debate, where he said that only black lives matter instead of every life. All lives other than black do not matter to Bernie Sanders, he said this in front of millions of people, yet somehow, Donald Trump is the racist.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Don't even pretend that someone can't spout offensive rhetoric about their own race:

Nice statist source... let's use google!



Regardless, this is semantics, and Trump didn't use the word Hispanics anyway...

 

Immigrants are not a race. Mexican is not a race. American is not a race (except Native American, who are mostly extinct).

No matter how much you say that Mexican is a race, or Illegal Immigrants are a race, it does not make them a race.



Note: I don't think use or possession of drugs is a crime of any sort, but, Trump's statement of people bringing drugs from Mexico is, obviously, factually correct.

 

I believe you're misinformed about the position of a President. Donald Trump is not campaigning for a job at the bank. Having political knowledge/experience, speech prowess, and leadership skills are qualities that are sought after in a President. All of the above are not equivalent, nor have anything to do with your financial status. You can be rich and not have any leadership qualities.

Where are you getting this from? Because I said Donald Trump inherited his wealth? This must be a joke. You're praising him as IF he obtained what he has now from nothing. I don't like Donald Trump because he's rich, no.

If I dislike Donald Trump because he's rich, I must also hate Mark Cuban, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg. However, this is simply not the case.

This is what prompt me to announce how much he inherited.

When you receive a large sum of money, it's not hard to make a profit with it.

When you receive a large debt, it's not hard to increase that debt.

Comparing the two makes no sense.

Good one. I meant Bernie Madoff, who to my knowledge is white and rich. You don't hear any white, rich people being demonized unless it's for a good reason. A few more examples are Donald Sterling, Paula Deen, and Donald Trump, all for good reasons.

Donald Trump, really? Read above.

Racial disparity in crime? I thought this was about RICH, WHITE PEOPLE. You could only name Donald Trump, who is deserving for the media criticism he gets? Really? This basically summarizes the strength of the majority of your arguments, if not all.

He's anti-rich because he doesn't want government funded organizations to abuse the system at the expense of the people? Gotcha. Please save the dribble.

Proof of this?

Please explain the movement to me, rather than leave links that are the effect of your cause. I have to insinuate what you're spewing because you purposely avoid your own talking points.

As I said above, I need proof of this.

We're talking about semantics right? We, Americans, refer to Mexicans as Hispanics.

If I said what Donald said about Mexicans to Africans, is it okay because I didn't say blacks?

Same argument here.

 

To be honest, how is it that USA, a first-world country and a very influential one at that, can allow such a lowly person like Donald Trump to even be allowed to run for President? It is utterly absurd and disturbing that he can run his mouth off while on television and incite hate towards other racial groups.

 

The First Amendment

 

I never said president, I said authority, you are intentionally misrepresenting my argument, which is a strawman fallacy. I don't support the idea that anyone should be magically bestowed the title president and suddenly it's OK for him to steal everyone's money and drop bombs on people he doesn't like. You act as if I somehow support Donald Trump becoming president and stealing people's money and likely dropping more bombs like his predecessors, when that is clearly immoral.

So why use racial slurs like "wall street law breakers"? Your immediate and literal first image of the characteristics "White" and "Rich" were criminals. If I had called "Black" and "Poor" people criminals based on those characteristics alone, it would clearly be a racial slur based on stereotypes.

Initial investment is a necessary, but not sufficient part of profiting. Large initial investment money =/= significantly easier or higher profits.

Don't even bother to attempt to defend gov't spending.

No you fucking didn't, don't backpedal lmao, I referenced rich and white people as a whole and you responded with a slur. Bernie Madoff has not been mentioned at all, only Bernie Sanders, the outspoken racist. Anyways, if Bernie Madoff committed financial theft, he should repay his victims and serve punishment. I'm not defending any financial thieves, so don't misrepresent my argument to say that I am.

NO. This is false. "The 1%", and "Ultra Rich", are CONSTANTLY under fire. People insult white and rich people all the time, they insult them with slurs like "privileged", "racist", "greedy", etc.

No. We are talking about in the MEDIA. Any time that a crime is committed and the offender is white and victim is black, the race of both are mentioned, even if the crime has nothing to do with race. Think about Zimmerman, think about Casebolt, think about Darren Wilson, etc. However, whenever the victim is black and offender is white (or victim is black and offender is black), the races are not brought up.

...He's a Socialist, and you say that he doesn't want government funded organizations to abuse the system at the expense of the people, then you say that my argument is dribble.

Lmao. It's like you have never even browsed this site before. Here you go: http://www.sythe.org/something-all/...sm-fails-why-our-society-being-destroyed.html

Except Donald Trump did not say Hispanics. He said Mexicans. Which is not a race. Which I have to keep repeating. Which means he could say Mexicans should suck his dick, and it wouldn't make him a racist. He would still be an asshole, but not a racist asshole.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/14/every-dem-but-webb-black-lives-matter.html

 

This whole topic is about Donald Trump and presidency. To say you weren't talking about the presidency position is another tactic to avoid my, and your talking points, as you do often.

Being rich =/= Having leadership

I asked why it's better, and you gave me this dribble.

So.. Those who are rich are more likely to be better leaders than those who "accumulate generations worth of debt".

Do you have a source on this? To my understanding, having leadership is not correspondent to wealth in any way.

Don't give me this either:

Yes, pinpoint on me trying to recall an event where a rich, white person was "demonized" in the media for good reason. I was thinking of a article title when I was trying recall the bankers name, Bernie Madoff, and his sons.

Elizabeth Warren Has Had It With The SEC's Aid To Wall Street Lawbreakers

Are you saying it's not easy to profit when you have a lot of starting money to work with?

Don't need to. This article does it for me.

Source

Bernie Madoff is basically the whole wall street scandal. How can I not be speaking of him? If we're talking about white, rich people "demonized" in the media, why would I mention Bernie Sanders? That makes no sense.

Still waiting for examples...

I wonder why.. Maybe because whites are the majority, and blacks are the minority, whom are purposely being targeted disproportionately, and more so than whites per capita. Should I pull up the Ferguson investigation again? Or does that not matter to you?

Everyone knows he supports socialism and wants to combine socialism and capitalism like other Nordic countries to mimic their success. This of course, has nothing to do with the original argument, as you continue to sway away from.

Derp. Keep trying to avoid talking points.

It was a pragmatic political move for the Democrats. By the way, it was a trick question, a trap, but the other four Democrats did their homework and answered that question diplomatically. Yes, that's right, Bernie wasn't the only one who said Black lives matter, which would be the right answer from both a diplomatic standpoint, and a logical one. If all lives matter, which is simply not true because we (Americans) have been known to torture, and kill other lives without much regard, it would be hypocritical to choose that as an answer.

 

It's easy to play on people's fear, especially for those who are not educated

 

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I never even mentioned the presidency position, I in fact, specifically excluded it, because I am against the presidency. You keep saying I am "avoiding" your point, but I am not making that claim that you are attacking.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

You were the one who INSISTED that I elaborate on an off topic point. The only reason you are committing a fallacy and calling it "dribble" is because you can't actually defeat my argument.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/no-true-scotsman

I already mentioned 5 instances in this thread alone (3 of them in the next line which you clearly didn't read or address), don't just ignore them, I've already far beyond proven my point.

No, of course it doesn't matter to me, lmao. "Whites are the majority" is not a reason to slander them. It is a statement of fact.

You do realize socialism is a violent ideology that claimed over 100 million lives in the last century alone? It's core philosophy is wealth/property theft & redistribution.

Your imaginary strawmans of my claims aren't "Talking points". Mexicans are not a race. No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it correct.

It's a "trap" to not discriminate against any particular race, and say that all races are equal? Look at your doublethink, it's pathetic.

Wow. When I said earlier that no one discriminates against people because of birth conditions beyond your control, I guess I didn't include you and other racists. Fuck you, my life matters even if I wasn't born black. I can't believe you feel that people's lives don't matter unless they are black. How can you say it is simply not true that lives other than black do not matter? How can you logically prove that White, Asian, Indian, and Hispanic lives do not matter?

 

Premise of this thread:

> Talks about candidates
> Claims not to talk about presidency

I'm calling your arguments dribble, and this is exactly why. The burden of proof is on you, and you fail to retort, only to claim I'm "committing a fallacy", in an attempt to excuse yourself from further expanding on your position which is...

Still waiting on a source for this.

"Think about Zimmerman, think about Casebolt, think about Darren Wilson"

Zimmerman is racist. If you've followed his activity post case, it confirms this.

One example: George Zimmerman Goes On Racist And Homophobic Twitter Tirade In Wake Of Virginia Shooting

Casebolt did not handle his job professionally, which led to him resigning. Dragging a 14 year old girl? Really?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/09/us/mckinney-texas-pool-party-video/

Darren Wilson racist?

Reading this article should say it all.

Of course investigation reports that show minorities are purposely being targeted doesn't matter to you, defender of the racists.

You're so small minded.

Whites are the majority so of course they will lead in all categories, solely by face value numbers alone. When you take into account, capita, the numbers change, showing disparity.

As I explained prior to this, I'm not going to get into economic systems.

Africans are not a race either. If I were to say, "Africans are violent people", am I not being racist?

Well, if you want to get down to semantics.

Race has many definitions.

1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.

2. a population so related.

3. Anthropology.
a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.

5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

As you can see, one of these can be segregation by skin colour, another can be by ethnic group, so you can use racism.

Was the question, do the lives of all races matter?

Read above. Stop jumping to conclusions.

 

Thats what I was thinking, how the fuck has Donald Trump even gotten this far!?!?!?

 

Interesting read.. I've come to the conclusion that Xier0 is a closeted racist who tells himself he's not racist. I don't know why you guys even bother to argue with him. After he said Donald Trump wasn't racist, that should've been the end of the convo tbh

Im gonna request a close because this thread is getting out of hand and is 100% what i did not want

 

who canw e actually vote for when all candidates are so bad, like ben carson cant even see what america is doing wrong ( joke about him always squinting) LOL

 

I would rather have a middle schooler hold the nuclear codes than Trump

 

Yeah i can vote and im definitely not voting for him and if he becomes president i might try and move to Canada or somewhere decent.

 

There is a total possibility that Trump is a racist. He may say or do something racist in the future, but nothing he has done so far is racist.

It really goes to show the state of propaganda when people call Trump racist, but Bernie Sanders can literally say that people's lives do not matter because of their skin color.

I've asked Ghast, OP, and others repetitively to show any proof that Trump is racist, and they can't even produce a single quote. However, they will defend Bernie Sanders' explicit racist and classist vitriol, which is the basis of his campaign.

....Yes? The question was "Do Black lives matter or do all lives matter". Black is, clearly, part of "all". And Bernie said that people's lives do not matter unless they are black.

 

It's a trick question. "All lives" isn't specific to race, just lives. If all lives truly matter, why do we kill indiscriminately with drones? We certainly don't act like all lives matter.

The lives of all races matter without a doubt, however that wasn't asked.

 

Trump is literally a douche bag.... even tho I am not american if this man became president - america would be no more for real.... rich billionare what do you expect boys

 

It's startling to me the amount of support he has. What started out as a joke campaign could soon lead to something a lot worse if the polls keep going this way..

 

I fucking hate him as well..