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You want some real proof that he exist?
Can you breath? I thought so
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Even if aliens exist, Hes still God.
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Even if aliens exist, Hes still God.
Proof That God Does Not Exist
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konvict, how else can you explain reason? how else can you explain the fact that if the atoms of our universe were 1/10000th of a percent lighter/heavier, atoms would never have formed? when you look into the sunset, when you see the vastness of beauty itself, hear the birds singing, the wind blowing, and the laughter of children as they play, can you really say to yourself "this does not exist. it is an illusion."?
HA HA HA! People like you make me feel sorry for you and laugh at the same time. Like the one instance where you said well maybe aliens could be the "GODS". Well let me ask you this do they have a bible written out? NO. Ok and lets say there is NO GOD. Well hmm energy did pretty dang good for letting everything on earth run so smoothly. Air we breathe is needed, trees are needed, lakes to drink from, all going in order, animals eat other ones. Hmmmmmmmmm thats some dag on good smart thinking energy. See what most people think is GOD is like us humans.....wrong! It is called a "spirit". So maybe the "spirit" is some kind of energy. Then why do we also have non believers seeing ghost? Oh thats right there is no spirits or anything just some energy you said. Ok the gorilla theory is a HUGE laugh. Why they still not evolving???? Also why do scientist like not bring up if you dropped out in space and you are not over a planet where you gonna go?! Oh and the bible states what happens when the end comes, well all the signs ARE OUT THERE. Well if you want to know anything else I am always on the forums.
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i didnt read that shitty post. but God only exsists only in the eyes of the beliver, thus thier is no proof that god does/doesn't exisit.
Genius...pure genius...
Can you guys stop the posts like such ;
Its truly pathetic. God is real because I shit out of my ass blah blah
You want some real proof that he exist?
Can you breath? I thought so
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Even if aliens exist, Hes still God.
Its truly pathetic. God is real because I shit out of my ass blah blah
Why is it that when I say God doesn't exist, people automatically assume that I accept the "everything happened by accident and all things in the universe just accidentally, randomly, came into place" THEORY! I DO NOT! This is NOT what I know, it's also not what I say. Please don't assume that! Just because you may know of 2 theories, doesn't mean it has to be either one or the other. It could be neither! God didn't create the universe, and the universe also didn't accidentally come into being. Maybe I should leave it like this and see if (hypothetically) someone can come up with a way the universe can exist if it's not an accident, and it wasn't purposely created by some God.
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i agree with thsi though. God couldnt have come out of nothing. he came out of something but where did that something come from? we can all go insane following this crazy path. there is jsut limits to our human brains. such limits do not allow us to possibly figure this out at this time. i DO belive that everybody needs SOMETHING to belive on no matter where it came from. So if my religion (christianity) lets me belive that there is a higher power and/or higher energy source out there that i can belive in than i will.
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its like in the bible is says the world will come to an end
the world WILL NEVER come to an end
so they say god is real, i say he is not cause the bible lies so much
if god is real...why do innocent people die
if god is real and people believe in him then where the fuck is he when you need him
the power of god to me is bullshit, there is no god and there is no devil
END OF STORY!
the world WILL NEVER come to an end
so they say god is real, i say he is not cause the bible lies so much
if god is real...why do innocent people die
if god is real and people believe in him then where the fuck is he when you need him
the power of god to me is bullshit, there is no god and there is no devil
END OF STORY!
Getting close to 3000 word replies here :S...whoever reads this, good job 
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i think you misinterpret what a need is, is life even a "need"?
not for me....its only a want
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actually, matter and energy are a part of the scientifical world we know today. Why would it make sense for scientific entities to always be? Everything we know today has a beginning and a end....the only thing we have thought of that disobeys this knowledge is that of supernatural existence, GOD.
God has always been...lives outside time, outside science. you cant place the science of today on something supernatural
If you want to get picky on the words, go the the original copy of the Hebrew/ Greek text.
my turn: (by me)
"God isn't real" is a statement that cannot be factually said.
People have mentioned that i cant say space goats aren't real...its true. Humans don't know everything.
-Although i personally see logic in there being a God.
-Others may see there is logic in energy always existing.
-Lastly some may simply state there is no God, we just havn't solved this phenomenon yet.
I think these are the 3 most common answers people will come up with, non of which we can say are wrong.
The way "I" see it is it doesn't matter how complicated it is.
To me it seems more likely for a "God" to have always existence rather then
matter/ energy to have always existed. This is considering that God is superior to science, and would not need a creator.
Maybe, although it is unproven, energy can be transformed into matter (E=MC^2).
Thom's Law
"Nothing can not produce something. If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there would STILL be nothing."
It doesn't matter how much research we do, anyone who has common sense knows that no matter how much "nothing" you have at any given length of time will still be nothing.
You cant create particles, let alone the laws of science from "nothing". Something that is superior to science, that has always existed, is the only explanation for how
the universe began (unless the universe itself never had a beginning). My opinion is that, that something could only be God.
Now which religion is right?
Hinduism...if u think that multiple "Gods" are possible, all controlling different things go for it.
It seems most reasonable to me that there was, is, and always will be just one "God"...
he may have other powerful allies (angels) or oppositions (devil) but hes still the one that has complete control.
Consider the following facts:
The maker for the very first "cause" is what i would define god as. "god" is the Origin of "everything".
God is interpretable at your own desire.
I believe that if there is a heaven after Earth, it would be created by a God that obviously cared about us.
If he cared about us, he surely would send a message on how to get to this heaven. And if he wanted to present the message,
a GOD would ensure a huge, worldwide impact....resulting in a high percentage of believers taking part in that religion
(which is why i consider either Christianity or Muslims to be the most accurate religion).
If God does not care about us then one would ask why we were created.
The other explanation would be that we were created by "chance" resulting in there possibly not being heaven or hell after death....still no harm in picking a religion.
Were left with the two most strongly populated and closely related religions in the world.
Muslims and Christians, both follow a similar book, similar characters, similar stories, etc...
Which is the right one is for you to decide.
What i think is that the Bible was copied and edited by a person nammed Muhammad, then renammed the Quran (Book of Islamic people).
The editing took place in such a way that Jesus would be left looking like a prophet and not the son of God.
For example:
The Bible says Jesus died on the cross and rose again. This message is what most would consider the center of Christianity.
John 3:16 is thought to be one of the most important verses in the Bible. God sent his son, for us, as a sacrifice so we could ask for forgiveness for our sins.
Once we get rid of our sins, we can live with God. People with sin cannot live with God and therefore must live without God, without happiness (hell).
The Quran, once again, has a similar story but instead of "Jesus dieing on the cross" an IMPOSTOR is put in his place.
This provides Muslims with the ability to say that Jesus never died on the cross for our sins.
Editing the Bible in a way to turn people from Christianity would be done exatcly like this.
Does this make sense chronologically? Yes, the Bible was COMPLETED 400 years before the Quran was made.
This would enable "Muhammad" the possibility to get a copy of the Bible and edit it in a way that would hide the true meaning of the Bible.
The Bible warns of religions like this, religions that would try deceive it. Satan wants to be God, whats a better way then to mimic the Bible?
Thats my thoughts at least
(wish i knew more about Hinduism :S)
Proof (is proof supposed to be possible)?
For God, what would be more meaningful... he makes people love him (no free will), they believe he is real after he shows them he has the power to do anything in the world and gives
them anything they ask for, OR they CHOOSE to follow him based on faith NOT because he can do some "magic tricks". Because of this i believe that God will never prove to
humanity, until he comes to Earth, that he is real...he will give us things to lead us to believe in him through faith, a book on how to do it, but nothing more. Although i
also believe that after we TRULY accept God and desperately need something from him (need, not want), he will give it to us. Heres a real life example:
During the summer my mom likes to sleep on the deck underneath a overhang on the side
(sort of a rectangle area on the side of a deck large enough to fit 3/4 of a queen size mattress).
My mom was in a stressful mood one day, before she went to bed she prayed to God and said that she was feeling very stressed with life and wanted to know that he was there
for her. (she has been a very faithful Christian and hard-working mom her whole life).
Later that night she was woken up by a small storm, she looked over and there was a blanket held between the her and the deck where there was no overhang.
This blanket was blocking the rain from hitting her. Through the blanket was a bright glare of light shinning through.
The figure behind it appeared to be my dad standing on a chair holding the blanket with a lattern in his other hand.
She feel back asleep and the next morning thanked my dad for putting up the blanket.
He said he never did such a thing. It then hit her that this was Gods sign to her that he was there for her. He sent an angel to protect her from the storm.
(The main purpose of the blanket was not to serve as a barrier to the rain but rather a message/symbol from God to say "its ok, im here for you")
Up to this point she had ALWAYS thought that angels were the size of cupid (shorter then a human).
Later that month she read in the Bible that angles are between 12-15 feet tall. the distance between the deck and the roof is ruffly 15 feet high!
Why is this important? If it was a "hallucination" or dream of some sort, her mind would of created the image based on what it knows. She had no doubt in her mind, at the time, that angels were cupid size (3-4 feet tall?)...yet when she saw it...it was 3+ times as tall. This would also be the one and only "hallucination" in her life. Is this all just a series of coincidences? possibly, but maybe not. I believe it, thats as far as it will go for any factual statement though.
Take into consideration: my mom had neck pains, was under stress, and was taking mild pain medication at the time. Therefore it is possible that this was a "hallucination" or dream, she says she knows 100% it was real but then again hallucinations/ dreams can be very very realistic. Its also possible that at a time in her life she passed by a picture with a tall angel on it, although she cant remember this ever happening...maybe it came back to hear during the hallucination/ dream? I'm stating the possibilities because it would be unfair to only support one side of the argument. Although i do see this side of the argument, opposition, as unlikely...it is "possible" given a series of coincidences. Despite this being 100% fictional or not, i still consider it an interesting story.
Take note that this is the only appearance of any supernatural thing she has seen in her entire life, id imagine it to be more then once if it were a medical problem?
Is this story enough to "prove" Gods existence?
Of course not, God wants people to find him through faith...and therefore he will never give something that can be used as hard proof/ evidence that he exists.
If we found a way around faith, hard proof/ evidence, humanity would be pointless (God wants us to CHOOSE to follow him).
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even science agrees, without religion, the world will come to an end (our sun changing constantly...look into star patterns,)
funny how atheists always say it lies/ contradicts but never give examples....example please?
in respect for free will, without free will God creating our existence would become meaningless (he wants us to CHOOSE to follow him, not be a droid that says "God is #1, over and over")
when is he ever not there?
i think you misinterpret what a need is, is life even a "need"?
not for me....its only a want
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where?
i see a loop here, you say that nothing can produce something....yet you explain how energy/ matter always existed. At this point i will agree that there was never absolutely "nothing", something MUST of always existed. Why matter and/or energy? Opinion: makes more sense to have God always exist. But i would bet my life that either God has always been, or energy has always been (later converted to matter, E=MC^s). Along with energy you would also have to assume that laws of science itself must of come along in the package, if you believe God has always existed....he would of been the creator of these laws (and the creation of "the beginning of everything we know today"
only if you assume energy/ matter/ laws of science to be the thing(s) that has always existed
na, its just another idea....better or worse is a mere opinion
were assuming the Christian God here, why would be assume "before" him...when "before" God is a fallacy, God has always been (Christian view)
another loop, is matter/ energy not something?
actually, matter and energy are a part of the scientifical world we know today. Why would it make sense for scientific entities to always be? Everything we know today has a beginning and a end....the only thing we have thought of that disobeys this knowledge is that of supernatural existence, GOD.
if you follow this theory you will only find yourself going in circles. To say that ANYTHING, including that of a supernatural entity....could not have a creator is obviously wrong. If it were true, nothing would still be nothing.
says who?
God has always been...lives outside time, outside science. you cant place the science of today on something supernatural
true for life on earth...thats about it
true for life on earth...why continue to try attribute the supernatural with the scientific.
continuation of trying to mix supernatural with scientific...not going anywhere with it sorry. Cool ideas though
I suggest that you don't pick on the English version if your going to get picky about the words. God's messages are in the Bible, thats all he wants. HUMANS translated the Bible, its bound to have a spelling error here and there etc....
If you want to get picky on the words, go the the original copy of the Hebrew/ Greek text.
and a true God that cared about humanity would ensure that the message would be spread to as many as possible (see my following statement's)
well written, all the loops wernt thought out but ill leave it out that.
my turn: (by me)
"God isn't real" is a statement that cannot be factually said.
People have mentioned that i cant say space goats aren't real...its true. Humans don't know everything.
-Although i personally see logic in there being a God.
-Others may see there is logic in energy always existing.
-Lastly some may simply state there is no God, we just havn't solved this phenomenon yet.
I think these are the 3 most common answers people will come up with, non of which we can say are wrong.
The way "I" see it is it doesn't matter how complicated it is.
To me it seems more likely for a "God" to have always existence rather then
matter/ energy to have always existed. This is considering that God is superior to science, and would not need a creator.
Maybe, although it is unproven, energy can be transformed into matter (E=MC^2).
Thom's Law
"Nothing can not produce something. If there was ever a time when there was nothing, there would STILL be nothing."
It doesn't matter how much research we do, anyone who has common sense knows that no matter how much "nothing" you have at any given length of time will still be nothing.
You cant create particles, let alone the laws of science from "nothing". Something that is superior to science, that has always existed, is the only explanation for how
the universe began (unless the universe itself never had a beginning). My opinion is that, that something could only be God.
Now which religion is right?
Hinduism...if u think that multiple "Gods" are possible, all controlling different things go for it.
It seems most reasonable to me that there was, is, and always will be just one "God"...
he may have other powerful allies (angels) or oppositions (devil) but hes still the one that has complete control.
Consider the following facts:
The maker for the very first "cause" is what i would define god as. "god" is the Origin of "everything".
God is interpretable at your own desire.
I believe that if there is a heaven after Earth, it would be created by a God that obviously cared about us.
If he cared about us, he surely would send a message on how to get to this heaven. And if he wanted to present the message,
a GOD would ensure a huge, worldwide impact....resulting in a high percentage of believers taking part in that religion
(which is why i consider either Christianity or Muslims to be the most accurate religion).
If God does not care about us then one would ask why we were created.
The other explanation would be that we were created by "chance" resulting in there possibly not being heaven or hell after death....still no harm in picking a religion.
Were left with the two most strongly populated and closely related religions in the world.
Muslims and Christians, both follow a similar book, similar characters, similar stories, etc...
Which is the right one is for you to decide.
What i think is that the Bible was copied and edited by a person nammed Muhammad, then renammed the Quran (Book of Islamic people).
The editing took place in such a way that Jesus would be left looking like a prophet and not the son of God.
For example:
The Bible says Jesus died on the cross and rose again. This message is what most would consider the center of Christianity.
John 3:16 is thought to be one of the most important verses in the Bible. God sent his son, for us, as a sacrifice so we could ask for forgiveness for our sins.
Once we get rid of our sins, we can live with God. People with sin cannot live with God and therefore must live without God, without happiness (hell).
The Quran, once again, has a similar story but instead of "Jesus dieing on the cross" an IMPOSTOR is put in his place.
This provides Muslims with the ability to say that Jesus never died on the cross for our sins.
Editing the Bible in a way to turn people from Christianity would be done exatcly like this.
Does this make sense chronologically? Yes, the Bible was COMPLETED 400 years before the Quran was made.
This would enable "Muhammad" the possibility to get a copy of the Bible and edit it in a way that would hide the true meaning of the Bible.
The Bible warns of religions like this, religions that would try deceive it. Satan wants to be God, whats a better way then to mimic the Bible?
Thats my thoughts at least
(wish i knew more about Hinduism :S)
Proof (is proof supposed to be possible)?
For God, what would be more meaningful... he makes people love him (no free will), they believe he is real after he shows them he has the power to do anything in the world and gives
them anything they ask for, OR they CHOOSE to follow him based on faith NOT because he can do some "magic tricks". Because of this i believe that God will never prove to
humanity, until he comes to Earth, that he is real...he will give us things to lead us to believe in him through faith, a book on how to do it, but nothing more. Although i
also believe that after we TRULY accept God and desperately need something from him (need, not want), he will give it to us. Heres a real life example:
During the summer my mom likes to sleep on the deck underneath a overhang on the side
(sort of a rectangle area on the side of a deck large enough to fit 3/4 of a queen size mattress).
My mom was in a stressful mood one day, before she went to bed she prayed to God and said that she was feeling very stressed with life and wanted to know that he was there
for her. (she has been a very faithful Christian and hard-working mom her whole life).
Later that night she was woken up by a small storm, she looked over and there was a blanket held between the her and the deck where there was no overhang.
This blanket was blocking the rain from hitting her. Through the blanket was a bright glare of light shinning through.
The figure behind it appeared to be my dad standing on a chair holding the blanket with a lattern in his other hand.
She feel back asleep and the next morning thanked my dad for putting up the blanket.
He said he never did such a thing. It then hit her that this was Gods sign to her that he was there for her. He sent an angel to protect her from the storm.
(The main purpose of the blanket was not to serve as a barrier to the rain but rather a message/symbol from God to say "its ok, im here for you")
Up to this point she had ALWAYS thought that angels were the size of cupid (shorter then a human).
Later that month she read in the Bible that angles are between 12-15 feet tall. the distance between the deck and the roof is ruffly 15 feet high!
Why is this important? If it was a "hallucination" or dream of some sort, her mind would of created the image based on what it knows. She had no doubt in her mind, at the time, that angels were cupid size (3-4 feet tall?)...yet when she saw it...it was 3+ times as tall. This would also be the one and only "hallucination" in her life. Is this all just a series of coincidences? possibly, but maybe not. I believe it, thats as far as it will go for any factual statement though.
Take into consideration: my mom had neck pains, was under stress, and was taking mild pain medication at the time. Therefore it is possible that this was a "hallucination" or dream, she says she knows 100% it was real but then again hallucinations/ dreams can be very very realistic. Its also possible that at a time in her life she passed by a picture with a tall angel on it, although she cant remember this ever happening...maybe it came back to hear during the hallucination/ dream? I'm stating the possibilities because it would be unfair to only support one side of the argument. Although i do see this side of the argument, opposition, as unlikely...it is "possible" given a series of coincidences. Despite this being 100% fictional or not, i still consider it an interesting story.
Take note that this is the only appearance of any supernatural thing she has seen in her entire life, id imagine it to be more then once if it were a medical problem?
Is this story enough to "prove" Gods existence?
Of course not, God wants people to find him through faith...and therefore he will never give something that can be used as hard proof/ evidence that he exists.
If we found a way around faith, hard proof/ evidence, humanity would be pointless (God wants us to CHOOSE to follow him).
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so how short should my reply be changed to? konvict's first posts are even longer. in fact pyro also posted a long reply.
If you can specify how short my reply needs to be changed to, i'll try to remove certain nonneeded words from it.
I believe God can neither be logically proved or disproved. It depends on your faith.
And the belief in the nonexistence of God also takes faith. In fact, in some people's opinion it takes more faith to believe in the nonexistence of God.
If any belief is to be believed strongly, whether its supernatural or natural, it requires faith.
So it all depends on the faith of someone to decide whether or not there is a God. He cannot be proven or disproven.
If anything, he can probably be proven before disproven.
If you can specify how short my reply needs to be changed to, i'll try to remove certain nonneeded words from it.
I believe God can neither be logically proved or disproved. It depends on your faith.
And the belief in the nonexistence of God also takes faith. In fact, in some people's opinion it takes more faith to believe in the nonexistence of God.
If any belief is to be believed strongly, whether its supernatural or natural, it requires faith.
So it all depends on the faith of someone to decide whether or not there is a God. He cannot be proven or disproven.
If anything, he can probably be proven before disproven.
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okay i stopped about half way through because... welll.... my eyes started to hurt. So heres something to ponder - If the idea of God is divinity, and that he comes from outside time, then he can easily break any laws that we have established. Heres another thing - I'm not Christian. I'm a religious Muslim, and yet I have an IQ that states I am a genius ( I'm proving a point, plz dont consider me immodest) and I believe utterly in the ideals of science. If you read the Qur'an, you see that Science and Religion can go hand in hand. Btw, just an endpoint, plz don't swear in a post reffering to God. It's disrespectful.
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Also, one last request to everyone - my eye's hurt from all the print and bright colors. If you can please edit all your posts, I may be likely to read them fully than just skimming them
Thank you
Thank you
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Saytronprince
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Okay I'm back due to my unstaisfactory answer. Now everyone, let's ponder another fact. Assuming the big bang theory, there were literally trillions of ways that the energy could have combined and molded to become a universe, the vast majority without any possibility of supporting life. So, let's think, what are the odds in those trillions that we would come out? 
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Yet another thing. How is it that in the Holy Books, the Qur'an specifically talks about topics that would not be discovered for centuries to some after the final revelations. How is that possible? 0.o
Honestly, the bottom line is that he is trying to make you think God is not real if you choose to believe him. But think of it this way... God created 2 people they had sex and so on and so fourth, until we all got created. So in all honesty we are all related in one way or another. If you choose to believe that.
But think about this... How was God created... he couldn't have just been placed here... there was someone before him that God must have killed or destoryed and took all the glory for it... Think about it how you want to think about it. Thanks
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But think about this... How was God created... he couldn't have just been placed here... there was someone before him that God must have killed or destoryed and took all the glory for it... Think about it how you want to think about it. Thanks
~ Cygopat ~
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konvict ur taking a big risk lol think of if ur wrong and a god does exist (which he does lol) and when u die u end up in hell lol for forever i would fight with u that god does exist but ur posts r to dam long lol i would shortern them not alot of people will wanna read em =/
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Well, this shows why some people do not believe in a religion, only in science.
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