The thread disproves god entirely

[Shredderbeam]

Well you see all of gods work so basically only part of Christianity is faith. But with everything god proves to us there should be no doubt in your mind of the things unseen. I am talking about the day to day things that are there and people take for granted.

Like what? What is there that is unexplainable by science?

Exactly All the athiest quit arguing with me I noticed they give LITTLE explanation on things as apposed to before. No the world is not that old. IN FACT it cannot be old. All of the atheist throw out the first law of thermodynamics(Simple terms: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.)but they leave out the second law of thermodynamics.

I do believe that the universe is finite, in the sense of time, at least. You seem to be grouping all Atheists under that stereotype.

Also, radiometric dating isn't flawed. I did a little research, and it seems that they tried dating an animal that was still alive. It doesn't take much knowledge to know that this isn't going to work...

Even a universe that expands and collapses and expands again forever would die because it would lose light and heat each time it expanded and rebounded.

Wrong. The universe contains everything. Where would it lose light and heat to?

Thanks for the link, Personal Jesus.

 

[The751]

Wow your a fag lol. There is a god.

 

[Xtern]

i think it just depends on your religon and what you really believe in.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Wow your a fag lol. There is a god.

Watch it.

i think it just depends on your religon and what you really believe in.

What one human believes does not necessarily constitute the complete truth of the universe.

 

[dpunk]

Well you see all of gods work so basically only part of Christianity is faith. But with everything god proves to us there should be no doubt in your mind of the things unseen. I am talking about the day to day things that are there and people take for granted.

You only see the things in day-to-day life as "works of God" because you have a predisposition to believe they are.

Exactly All the athiest quit arguing with me I noticed they give LITTLE explanation on things as apposed to before. No the world is not that old. IN FACT it cannot be old. All of the atheist throw out the first law of thermodynamics(Simple terms: Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.)but they leave out the second law of thermodynamics.

In the macroscopic world, the domain of ‘classical’ physics, the laws of thermodynamics are, and have always been, true.

However, on the quantum scale, it is a very different matter. Hiesenberg’s uncertainty states that there will always be a level of uncertainty when you try to make measurements of particles and other quantum scale occurrences. You can never know everything about a particle’s position and motion at any one time. This is an intrinsic uncertainty, it is not due to limitations on our measuring devices. This uncertainty of the energy of anything of the Planck scale is size allows some very bizarre phenomena to occur.

To us, vacuums appear to contain nothing at all. But, it you were to look closely, very, very closely (to the order of 10^-35m), space is actually a foaming mass of quantum activity. This quantum foam is made of particles and micro-black holes popping in and out of existence, apparently in contravention of the second law of thermodynamics, they appear out of nothing with energy, then disappear again just as quickly. The key to this is the uncertainty principle. The disturbance is permitted to ‘borrow’ a tiny amount of energy and exist for a very short length of time, and then it must return the energy and disappear again. But, the more energy it borrows, the less time it is allowed to exist. These ‘temporary’ particles, called virtual particles, are not just theoretical, they have been proven to have real effects on scientific experiment.

The only thing that prevents these virtual particles from coming into permanent existence is a lack of energy. However, it is possible to artificially supply energy to the particles therefore promoting them into reality. This could be done in a lab by creating very strong electric fields, but these fields are very difficult to create. On the other hand, intense gravitational fields could also do the job.

It is possible that during the big bang, black holes the size of a nucleus popped into existence due to the quantum foam. The interesting thing is that the smaller a black hole is, the more strongly space-time is distorted around it and distortions in space-time imply the existence of very strong gravitational fields. Stephen Hawking has shown that the gravitational field around such a hole would give enough energy to the quantum foam to promote the particles into real existence. Calculations show that in the big bang the initial extreme conditions would also have been enough to create real particles out of the gravitational energy of the rapidly expanding universe.

And as for how the universe actually came into being itself, it is believed that also in the quantum foam, virtual space-time bubbles also continually pop in and out of existence, like virtual particles, only to disappear again. However, it is possible that one of these space-time bubbles, which is actually an unimaginably small universe, could avoid rapidly disappearing again and be promoted to a full size universe, such as ours. However, for this to work some sort of repulsive force is needed, a sort of anti-gravity. Many scientists believe in the existence of such a force at the time of the creation of the universe, but as I’ve answered your question and that’s a whole other topic, I think I’ll stop before I go off on too much of a tangent.

To summarise, due to the uncertainty principle, particles and space-time bubbles continually pop in and out of existence for short times depending on their energy, without breaking the law of conservation of energy as they dissapear again. Think of it like an accountant (the universe) who balances the books at the end of every month. If someone (a virtual particle) was to borrow some money on the 4th day of the month (pop into existence)then put it back on the 8th day,(disappear again) then as far as the bookkeeper would know, nothing had gone amiss and no rules (or laws) had been broken. If a particle is to come into complete and real existence, it must take its energy from somewhere, such as a gravitational field.

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae332.cfm?CFID=19798553&CFTOKEN=25205335

There are always explanations out there that are outside of what we think is always true.

Second law of thermodynamics. In any closed system, things become disordered. If an automobile is driven for years and years without repair, for example, it will become so disordered that it would not run any more. Getting old is simple conformity to the second law of thermodynamics. In space, things also get old. Astronomers refer to the aging process as heat death. If the cosmos is "everything that ever was or is or ever will be," as Dr. Carl Sagan is so fond of saying, nothing could be added to it to improve its order or repair it. Even a universe that expands and collapses and expands again forever would die because it would lose light and heat each time it expanded and rebounded.

All that argues is that the universe isn't eternal, although its probably wrong. When the universe collapses, aka the "Big Crunch", everything in the universe would once again be compressed into a singularity. This would include all energy, and thus entropy would return to zero.

 

[Gabmanrocks]

Ok this Theory or whatever you wanna call it does not actually Disprove God..
God CAN theoretically be imperfect. correct?

Well I'm gonna pick up where you left of and take it one step further..

First let's go over some basic Laws here

E=Mc2

Ok let's go over this equation to make sense of everything else

Energy=Mass*the speed of light, Squared

It means that energy can be turned into mass and vice versa

That's what that basically is..

Ok To actually be a god what ability would one need to posses?
To Know Everything?
To Be Everywhere?
To See Everything?
To Feel Everything?
To Hear Everything?
Or all of those above?

Well for arguments sake lets say that just one.. to be everywhere..

Well for a 'god' to be everywhere at once

He would need to be in another dimension that we humans cannot realize.
Now or forever...

Your probably thinking how does E=Mc2 come into this?

Well Energy can be changed into mass and vice versa. Correct?

So 'god' is what?

Would god be a being made out of Energy or Matter?
Or possible both?

You ask a me what energy is and i'll say
'something that can never be destroyed or created, but can be changed and phased in many ways'

You ask a priest what God is and he'll say basically the same thing.

And that would be the only possible way for god to exist because energy and matter cannot take up the same space... So god would forever have to be both Energy, And Matter.

Before I go any further may I point out another law..

Space cannot Exist without time
Time cannot pass without space

Now that I've pointed that out... We know that god is everywhere correct?
If he is everywhere he is at all locations in the Universe at all times.. But Time needs Space to Pass.. and Space cannot Exist without time..


Well so let's say that Everything is 'God', the Universe is God.. Space AND Time are both 'God'

We are pretty much a part of god...

That kills almost all religions rite?
There is no religion that Believes that we are a part of God -_-

So I'm going to leave it at that cause I'm growing tired of thinking...

Mabye someone else can take a step further?

 

[get_crunk_mofo]

too much to read for me

 

[America]

Mabye someone else can take a step further?

You're saying that God, even though He is all powerful, is incapable of being unaffected by a few laws? He created the laws, did he not?

too much to read for me

That's a sure sign that you're in the wrong forum. Maybe you should try General Discussion. ;|

 

[gusisborn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabmanrocks View Post
Mabye someone else can take a step further?

You're saying that God, even though He is all powerful, is incapable of being unaffected by a few laws? He created the laws, did he not?

That's where your wrong.. everything in the Universe has laws.. if they are possibilities or certain outcomes..

 

[America]

That's where your wrong.. everything in the Universe has laws.. if they are possibilities or certain outcomes..

You're missing my point. He created the universe and lives in a SEPERATE "universe."

 

[Arch Angel Z]

You atheist will NEVER change my mind. Explain N.D.Es, refer to my thread.

 

[MosDef]

this rules out nothing, that whole article (if you can even call it that) is so flawed it isn't even funny..

I would school you clowns if I didn't feel that you were being habitually unreceptive to any thought of God being existent.

 

[Shredderbeam]

You atheist will NEVER change my mind. Explain N.D.Es, refer to my thread.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=1827038

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/41428.php

Read, etc., they should provide an alternative perspective.

this rules out nothing, that whole article (if you can even call it that) is so flawed it isn't even funny..

I would school you clowns if I didn't feel that you were being habitually unreceptive to any thought of God being existent.

How is it flawed?

We're not unreceptive, we just look at all arguments with consistent logic.

 

[dpunk]

this rules out nothing, that whole article (if you can even call it that) is so flawed it isn't even funny..

I would school you clowns if I didn't feel that you were being habitually unreceptive to any thought of God being existent.

Sounds to me like you're saying, "Well you guys are still wrong even though I can't prove it, and I'm going to make a smug little remark to cover my tracks and make it look like I make a decent attempt to prove my point if I wanted to."

 

[jamzpkzsythe]

ill give you 5 dollers to kill yourself and then come back to life and tell me .... would you do it? i mean its just somthing thats there you have to belive cause who knows one day it could happen you could die and meet god... or who knows you could die but you don't die you just get a different body

 

[J_C_326]

Why Does It Matter?!?!? I mean if you belive in GOD then belive in him like me And If you Dont Belive In Something Else Or what ever you believe in

 

[Exgear]

Before I type this, just know I am not with the church and that I have no religion. That is a very complex statement. However, the argument that you have copy and pasted has a conclusive point.

You seek to disprove that their is a god, using science. According to "Christianity", the deity cannot be dis proven using the attributes of science. As stated earlier this has been an ongoing dispute for hundreds of years. Christianity, speaking on behalf of the church believes that their is more than science to explain their religion and this is the case in mostly all religions.

In other words, in your copy and paste statement it says to some degree that there is no such thing as a cubical sphere. This is due to the quantity of sides visible, suppose the the object was not actually as it is seen, or as it appears. Suppose, it may be made completely of free energy able to shape to any form, however it is not visible to the human eye. Because it is not visible to the human eye, we are not capable of making such technology to see it.

This is similar to how a religion such as Christianity looks at the deity named God. Most of their beliefs rely on faith and on some, but little visible evidence.

The question is, is a religion just a mask, or a blindfold from the truth and actuality of the very world we live in... Or, are their many things that may exist, but are left unseen.

 

[gusisborn]

Before I type this, just know I am not with the church and that I have no religion. That is a very complex statement. However, the argument that you have copy and pasted has a conclusive point.

You seek to disprove that their is a god, using science. According to "Christianity", the deity cannot be dis proven using the attributes of science. As stated earlier this has been an ongoing dispute for hundreds of years. Christianity, speaking on behalf of the church believes that their is more than science to explain their religion and this is the case in mostly all religions.

In other words, in your copy and paste statement it says to some degree that there is no such thing as a cubical sphere. This is due to the quantity of sides visible, suppose the the object was not actually as it is seen, or as it appears. Suppose, it may be made completely of free energy able to shape to any form, however it is not visible to the human eye. Because it is not visible to the human eye, we are not capable of making such technology to see it.

This is similar to how a religion such as Christianity looks at the deity named God. Most of their beliefs rely on faith and on some, but little visible evidence.

The question is, is a religion just a mask, or a blindfold from the truth and actuality of the very world we live in... Or, are their many things that may exist, but are left unseen.

This actually goes along to String Theory [google it up, interesting read..]

There are more dimensions then we can comprehend is basically what the theory is telling us..

Very interesting... and Very nice said