your view on abortion
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People should have their rights on whether or not to have an abortion.
It's their choice, and somewhat their rights.
If they are not ready for the baby, then let them be. Don't force a baby on them.
they might not be able to handle the responsibility.
It's their choice, and somewhat their rights.
If they are not ready for the baby, then let them be. Don't force a baby on them.
they might not be able to handle the responsibility.
I do not believe in abortion, that is a human being, you are taking away someone's life. That is just not right. If you really don't want the child, have it at least adopted then dead.
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In my county, They are starting this campaign where you can just drop off a children you are not ready to take care of, to the firestation or a police station, no questions asked. I think thats a great idea, with out the abortion
Yes, much better than abortion.
First off, that is terrible if that happens to anyone, and anyway, if she is not wanting the child, which she probably doesn't, there are places where people can take your baby (like before it is born). I think that should happen or at least the person should try and make that happen before abortion.
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If you're going to make a thread, at least try to care about the subject. -.-
I can't even be moved enough to write an original response, so I'll steal what I wrote for a similar thread on another forum:
Just because a woman ends up pregnant does not mean that it was "her fault". Even when used properly, contraception is usually only about 99% effective.
When used improperly? Well, that's partially society's fault. The current administration favors teaching absitence over safe sex. Hence, teens are foolishly being told to simply deny their natural insticts, rather than contol and act on them responsibly. It's hardly their fault that they've been poorly educated. Should they really have to suffer for society's mistakes?
Rape, obviously, isn't a woman's fault either. If a woman is raped, and becomes pregnant, I do believe that abortion is appropriate, for it is an experience that many women can never fully recover from. Therapy, drugs, time; they can learn to deal with it, but they can't bury it, and forget it happened. A child raised from a situation like that would probably be treated (intentionally or not) with displaced resentment: the child would be a constant reminder of a memory no woman wants to have or relive. I can't imagine the damage that would cause not only in the mother, but, in the child too.
Even ignoring the exceptions of rape and potential harm to the mother, there's no consensus on when the fetus is actually considered alive: after fertilization? implantation? the first heartbeat? brain activity? signs of movement?
Most people don't consider the morning after pill (which is administered after fertilization) abortion - in fact, legally, it's a contraceptive. But, where exactly do you draw the line? Every time you use any form of contraceptive, you're preventing a potential life. The only difference between that and abortion is the "when".
I can't even be moved enough to write an original response, so I'll steal what I wrote for a similar thread on another forum:
Just because a woman ends up pregnant does not mean that it was "her fault". Even when used properly, contraception is usually only about 99% effective.
When used improperly? Well, that's partially society's fault. The current administration favors teaching absitence over safe sex. Hence, teens are foolishly being told to simply deny their natural insticts, rather than contol and act on them responsibly. It's hardly their fault that they've been poorly educated. Should they really have to suffer for society's mistakes?
Rape, obviously, isn't a woman's fault either. If a woman is raped, and becomes pregnant, I do believe that abortion is appropriate, for it is an experience that many women can never fully recover from. Therapy, drugs, time; they can learn to deal with it, but they can't bury it, and forget it happened. A child raised from a situation like that would probably be treated (intentionally or not) with displaced resentment: the child would be a constant reminder of a memory no woman wants to have or relive. I can't imagine the damage that would cause not only in the mother, but, in the child too.
Even ignoring the exceptions of rape and potential harm to the mother, there's no consensus on when the fetus is actually considered alive: after fertilization? implantation? the first heartbeat? brain activity? signs of movement?
Most people don't consider the morning after pill (which is administered after fertilization) abortion - in fact, legally, it's a contraceptive. But, where exactly do you draw the line? Every time you use any form of contraceptive, you're preventing a potential life. The only difference between that and abortion is the "when".
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Well I see how abortion really isn't fair to the unborn fetus, but I think with some special circumstances where the woman's life is in danger, thus taking the lesser of two evil, or if she is under significant stress from pregnancy then the woman should be aloud to make the private medical decision that must not be made by the government.
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Government shouldn't be able to tell women what they should do with their own bodies. When the abortion occurs the fetus is alive but not aware of its own existence. It is not a baby! Anyone who says that "Omg think about the baby!!1111!!!1" is completely wrong, a fetus isn't a baby just a developing baby and couldn't survive outside of the womens body. Abortion will always be legal in the US people should stop protesting and bombing things over something that isn't their problem.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion and morals. People shouldn't try to force their morals on other people (like damn Pro-life nut cases do), they need to just let it be and except other peoples morals.
Government shouldn't be able to tell women what they should do with their own bodies. When the abortion occurs the fetus is alive but not aware of its own existence. It is not a baby! Anyone who says that "Omg think about the baby!!1111!!!1" is completely wrong, a fetus isn't a baby just a developing baby and couldn't survive outside of the womens body. Abortion will always be legal in the US people should stop protesting and bombing things over something that isn't their problem.
Everyone has the right to their own opinion and morals. People shouldn't try to force their morals on other people (like damn Pro-life nut cases do), they need to just let it be and except other peoples morals.
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you can't think of it like killing a baby. LOOK AT IT THIS WAY
90% of people who have abortions are drug addicts.
90% of those end up keeping there kid and not saying anything, because they are emotionally attached. But, you really cant call dss since they move like everyday. Would you rather see a child suffer on the streets and end up having more poverty than Killing a half of a human being? But, their bodies, also go to science helping diseases, especially aids. So Please don't say, well its automatically right since i dissagree. Im not saying its wrong, but I believe that those kids shouldn't have to deal with drugs and getting beaten and living on the street
90% of people who have abortions are drug addicts.
90% of those end up keeping there kid and not saying anything, because they are emotionally attached. But, you really cant call dss since they move like everyday. Would you rather see a child suffer on the streets and end up having more poverty than Killing a half of a human being? But, their bodies, also go to science helping diseases, especially aids. So Please don't say, well its automatically right since i dissagree. Im not saying its wrong, but I believe that those kids shouldn't have to deal with drugs and getting beaten and living on the street
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a woman should be able to control her fertility and even if she wasnt raped or it wasnt exceptional circumstances, its the woman whos giving birth and it ultimatly should be up to her and not some high and mighty religeous nut
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Abortion would be fine that that case.
But if she was a B student.... that's a different story.
They made the choice when they decided to have sex. Assuming they are aware that sex leads to impregnation. So that excludes retards and what-not, I suppose.
How is it foolish if it works? Our control over our natural instincts is the only thing that separates us from animals. So how is it any less foolish to give in and act as my dog does towards my leg.
Agreed, for proven cases where there was no consent.
When they stick to the uterus wall and start to take in nutrition (or however it works, lol
). That's when they have become a separate entity. Fertilization, as far as I know, changes properties of the egg to prepare for that stage, I don't think any life is started.WTF? No.
Contraceptive prevents a potential life.
Abortion terminates an existing one.
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So many people think of abortion as an "easy way out" for the kids who get wasted and suddenly wake up with their world a bit different; or the trashy whores who decide to sleep with every guy on the block. It's not. You're right, it's anyone who has sex: of age, underage, educated, uneducated, rich, poor...
I assure you, there are many people in the world who have sex without the intention or desire to procreate. Yes, there are married couples that aren't dying for another child, too.
Perhaps it's the sinful atheist in me, but I find it rather dull and boring that a woman who does not wish to have children (or any more children) should be expected to commit her life to celibacy.
We are not free from instinct. Have you ever gone for a test that you were stressing over; one where you thought you knew the answers, and suddenly, when it was time to take the test - you blanked? It's a physical response, ages old: "fight or flight". When you're nervous and afraid, your body creates adrenaline, your digestion slows, your pupils dilate, and blood rushes away from your brain, and into your muscles.
It's a horribly stupid response, in light of the situation. It prepares you to run, not to think clearly. But, that's the point: even knowing that it's the wrong reaction, we can't control it.
I'm not saying the situations are identical, for clearly, the forebrain usually has a say in whether or not one decides to have sex. But the decision is influenced, too, by many other things: among them, the primitive need to procreate that, at one point, probably kept our species alive. (Much like our instinct to run from what we fear has kept us alive, regardless of how little sense it makes at times.)
People are better apt to accept caution than to "just say no".
And yet, contraception was once considered as immoral as abortion is now.
Its murder to take a humans life. Babies are still human therefore its murder. Just becuase you take the risk of not using Full protection, im talkin not just about condoms. Theres other contraceptives. Then u should have to take responsiblity for it
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In Zimm's/Bugs words and myself, I don't support murder.
Raping is a different story.
Raping is a different story.
WARNING: THIS TOPIC GETS TOUCHY. IF I SEE ANYONE FLIPPING OUT, I WILL LOCK IT.
Personally, I believe in Utilitarianism, which basically states that you should always make the choice that it best for humanity in general.
Now, if a woman gets pregnant from being raped, having the abortion will spare her enormous mental trauma. This would be a benefit.
If, however, she does not have an abortion, and has the child adopted, the child will be able to live. This benefit would be greater than the benefit brought by an abortion.
Of course, I would rather that the scenario never arose in the first place, and for this reason, I firmly support birth control.
Personally, I believe in Utilitarianism, which basically states that you should always make the choice that it best for humanity in general.
Now, if a woman gets pregnant from being raped, having the abortion will spare her enormous mental trauma. This would be a benefit.
If, however, she does not have an abortion, and has the child adopted, the child will be able to live. This benefit would be greater than the benefit brought by an abortion.
Of course, I would rather that the scenario never arose in the first place, and for this reason, I firmly support birth control.
Let the mother decide. No one gave you the right to step in and make decisions for her.
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I assure you that drunk drivers never mean to kill anyone, but they often do. Are they not to be held responsible?
Just monitor ovulation. Or better yet (for the lazy), one of them can get their "tubes tied". haha
You're probably right, considering caution is the easier approach. Doesn't mean abstinence is the wrong approach though.
Seems best to me that one should not have sex until they're able to care for a potential child. I don't mean they should have sex solely to procreate.
It should be a responsibility, much like actual parenting, that shouldn't be taken lightly.
Well not quite... I think that has more of a religious basis (abusing sex, the power of creation). Probably rooted in catholicism.
While abortion isn't religious, but it may seem like it since the pro-life side tends to be religious.
But of course, that can be argued... I'm one who'd say that morals don't exist outside of religion. Outside of religion I can see nothing "wrong" with killing. So, with that view, you could argue that abortion is indeed a religious issue. But such is not the case in reality.
ROFL. That's the whole point of the abortion debate... to decide whether the law should dictate or not. In which case "we" would have the right to make decisions for them.
So now you just have to state why we shouldn't have the right... then we'll be on the same page.
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