Would You Date a Transgender?

[Plznate]

There's a difference between not liking being something and feeling naturally inclined that you are another. It's not any different from knowing you're straight or knowing you're gay, you feel naturally that you are.

Calling it ridiculous is a bit unfair. Why people can't just be happy for one another, I don't know.

Well I never said I disagreed with it. OP is an adult, and can do what they want. If they have an identity issue and want to "be" a female, cool do what you want.

But lets not get it twisted. The link you posted even defined GID as being dysphoric (ie discontent, ie does not like) that they were born one gender. You can call it inclination, dysphoria, unhappiness, etc, but as I stated in my first post in here, it does not change that fact.

Sexual orientation.... thats a whole different bag of chips. I don't know my opinion on that and there is not enough empirical evidence extisting currently to definitively make a call on that.

 

[Zlacks]

Interesting contradiction you hold there.

So are you saying that before you started transitioning, then you were just a confused gay?

And what if the crossdresser simply does not have the finances to go about transitioning, they are not transgender because "transitioning" defines it? Why couldnt they just have been "born in the wrong sex" as well, they just cant afford it like you can? Thats very bigoted and contradictory.

Really this shit is ridiculous. There is no such thing as "being born the wrong sex". You are a guy. A cat is a cat. A girl is a girl. Period. Now just because you may have some emotional/identity issues, you WANT to be a girl. You may take steps to make yourself look and be more of a girl. But that does not mean you were born in the wrong sex, and it does not MAKE you a girl. It simply means you would rather be a girl.

As such, you are gay. You are a gay who may look/act/be more feminine in nature than other gays, but you are a gay male nonetheless.

I admit that statement was a little stupid and I made a mistake writing it. I feel the crossdressing is just an early stage of transitioning. That's it.

Also, i've tried living as a guy. It didn't work. It led to severe depression and several suicide attempts. Have some compassion. That's just immature.

Not only that, but that last statement is false. I am a woman. I just wasn't born in the right body to match it. It's not something you can choose to want. It's something you're born with. If I could choose to identify as a man, I would. It would make life a lot easier. But I can't do that. It just doesn't work.

 

[Plznate]

I admit that statement was a little stupid and I made a mistake writing it. I feel the crossdressing is just an early stage of transitioning. That's it.

Fair enough.

Also, i've tried living as a guy. It didn't work. It led to severe depression and several suicide attempts. Have some compassion. That's just immature.

People have chemical imbalances in their brains. Some people get depressed easily, some people hear voices in their heads, some people want to be a woman when they are born a male. While that is unfortunate, it again, does not change the reality of things.

I am a woman. I just wasn't born in the right body to match it. It's not something you can choose to want. It's something you're born with. If I could choose to identify as a man, I would. It would make life a lot easier. But I can't do that. It just doesn't work.

You are correct. Its what you are born with, its not something you can choose. You are a male. You were born a male. You will always be a male. You may take hormones, get breasts, cut off your junk and restructure it, but at the end of the day you will never be a true female. You CANNOT be a true female. As I said, if you still want to try and "be" a female, and live like on etc, then thats your own decision.

 

[Zlacks]

Yes I am. My brain tells me im female and I am

 

[Plznate]

Yes I am. My brain tells me im female and I am

And here you have demonstrated your immaturity through your complete disregard of all my points. You can close your eyes and tell yourself that you are a dolphin, or a pony, or a female as much as you want, you can believe it as much as you want, and the world may even recognize your disorder, but at the end of day it is just that; a disorder.

Hopefully you will grow up someday, beat your disorder, and realize that not everyone is perfectly content with everything about themselves

GL

 

[Zlacks]

I hate how you make me sound like a little kid. I'm an adult and can make my own choices.

 

[Marquant_]

Fuck No Never

 

[kmjt]

Never. For the same reason I probably wouldn't date someone overly decked out in plastic surgery.

 

[Xier0]

Yes, I would date a transgender. I value emotional attachment more than anything else in a relationship. Personally, I don't even see gender as important in any relationship.

I agree with this, I just could never be comfortable with a physical relationship.

 

[Nick 91]

this should be illegal ... worst thing ever.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

1. I was born guy, but i'm not a guy. There has always been a separation between gender and sex; that's just the way things are. My sex is male, but my gender is female. Your gender is what you see yourself as - what you feel right being. What you identify as. Ever since I was five, I have always identified as female. Can I explain it? No. If I could choose not to have my gender be female I would choose to; life would be a lot easier and I would face a lot less discrimination. It's not something I ever got to choose, though. Its something that's a part of me. Just how you were born liking women, I was born with a female gender, in a male's sex.

On a side note, i'd like to say I don't hide anything from anyone, which is a major reason why it's hard for me to get past a surface level relationship. I do this because I find it fair for people to know before I get into a relationship with somebody.

2. I also don't think that I should be forced to do so, even though I do. I find it odd that people think it's OK for people who already have a wife, or have an sti, or are secretly gay to start a relationship with somebody without telling them, but having a bit of extra flesh is unacceptable and needs to be told. We all hide things. Should fat people who wear long shirts to hide their bellies have to tell someone they're fat before getting into a relationship with them? Anyways, i'm getting off topic. The point is I do tell people because of the pressure to do so.

Other than that, I ask you not to pass judgement on something you don't see as normal; there's millions of people in the world. To you, it wouldn't be normal to live naked for the rest of your life, or to live on a farm with no internet, no tv, no nothing, but for other people that's very normal. Broaden your horizons. Accept others.

We need to love and respect eachother. We need to accept that nobody is "normal". It's something society, religion, and the media create for us. We need to understand eachother. We shouldn't pass judgement. We need to do these things. To be peaceful. To coexist.

I was going to respond but it looks like Plznate already addressed half of this post, typing it again would be a waste and a strain on my fingers. The bottom line is you're completely wrong assuming you were "Assigned a different gender". In fact, that statement is so funny and ridiculous that I want to screenshot, print off and hang it on my wall. There are so many reasons that's not true at all, but again just refer to nate's post on this subject.

Ummm.. Yes you should be literally FORCED to inform everyone who you plan to seek an intimate relationship, are you with us right now? You're trying to justify this by saying "people think it's okay for married men to have secret gay relationships", WHO THINKS THAT??? Retarded "liberals" who jump on any bandwagon that has anything to do with stuff like this?? Here's a piece of clear day for you, it's not okay for married men to do that, It's actually pretty sick and deceiving; It's not okay for you to just pretend like you're a female, and deceive someone in a relationship, when in reality you're not. And if you ever do that, you're pretty sick and deceiving too. "we all hide things" what a joke, this is why you'll never have a healthy relationship.

And yes, fat people, nudists, and people living in rural areas are very similar to transgenders good arguments..... [sarcasm]

Sorry, I hate to be blunt with you but it's the path you chose and unfortunately you'll have to take what comes with it. You said it yourself you can't actually explain why you feel the need to do it, you just do and we should accept you for it. Well what if I wake up tomorrow and I can't explain it, but suddenly I just have a huge fetish for little boys, will you accept my ways?

Also how old are you that you are apparently a "Grown adult"...?

And here you have demonstrated your immaturity through your complete disregard of all my points. You can close your eyes and tell yourself that you are a dolphin, or a pony, or a female as much as you want, you can believe it as much as you want, and the world may even recognize your disorder, but at the end of day it is just that; a disorder.

Hopefully you will grow up someday, beat your disorder, and realize that not everyone is perfectly content with everything about themselves

GL

This is a very good point. You can even go so far as to get surgery to implant hooves on your back hind legs, you can impale a unicorn horn into your head, maybe even inject a dose of horse hormones into your asshole. Are you a horse or are you a human?

Edit: you know what, I was born a horse, just assigned the wrong species. I'm going to the clinic right now. Everyone support me NAO.

 

[woodcut ox]

This thread is starting to turn into a witch-hunt I feel. It's one thing to give your opinion and response when someone asks you a simple question, but it's nothing to argue over. The way you think isn't how everyone else thinks and your idea of "right" differs from everyone else's. There are some things you need to experience to understand, and this is obviously one of those things people generally don't. This is the life she chose, sitting behind a computer screen saying that she's wrong and "criticizing" her will get you nowhere and all you do is start up a fight and/or make her feel bad.

I'm sorry to Zlacks who has to put up with this. You don't need to justify anything to anyone.

 

[Pizcheck]

never and ever just in my opinion :L

 

[Zlacks]

This thread is starting to turn into a witch-hunt I feel. It's one thing to give your opinion and response when someone asks you a simple question, but it's nothing to argue over. The way you think isn't how everyone else thinks and your idea of "right" differs from everyone else's. There are some things you need to experience to understand, and this is obviously one of those things people generally don't. This is the life she chose, sitting behind a computer screen saying that she's wrong and "criticizing" her will get you nowhere and all you do is start up a fight and/or make her feel bad.

I'm sorry to Zlacks who has to put up with this. You don't need to justify anything to anyone.

Thanks

 

[FloydZeppelin]

@ woodcut / Zlacks - When you come in here spouting what you claim is "Not debatable and fact", you're going to get a response from people... Don't like it? Don't make the thread. Not to say this isn't purely for attention though...

Zlacks is as much responsible for these "arguments" as anyone else who has posted is...

 

[woodcut ox]

@ woodcut / Zlacks - When you come in here spouting what you claim is "Not debatable and fact", you're going to get a response from people... Don't like it? Don't make the thread. Not to say this isn't purely for attention though...

Zlacks is as much responsible for these "arguments" as anyone else who has posted is...

The thread title says "would you date a transgender" it a yes/no answer with a possible short summary on how you came up with that decision.

In the OP she states why she wants to know, why she asked the sythe community, and how she feels about it. I'm not saying it's not debatable, because almost anything that doesn't have a solid answer like 2+2=4 is debatable. The theory she is trying to get at is tossed around just like finding a "gay" gene. But the reason she said anything is to defend herself from you and plznate. This might be for attention, who even knows if she really is in the process of transforming. But you guys don't need to come after her like this. I'm not try to debate over anything with you because I've been here long enough to see you destroy others in debates. It's one thing to state what you think, but when you tell her she's wrong, I'm simply asking you what makes you right?

I know the question at the end is a contradiction to the "not starting a debate" thing in a previous sentence.

 

[Plznate]

But the reason she said anything is to defend herself from you and plznate.

My first post was merely to point out the huge irony/contradiction that discriminated against gays and crossdressers in one of his posts. He continued to debate various points, so I simply responded. I think I did so in a fairly reasonable manner as well.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

That's the difference between you and I.

I will stand up against something that's completely wrong and backwards thinking. You tell me I'm mean for doing it; I think I'm enlightening for doing it. For all we know, as you said, OP might be 100% lying... Or maybe they're considering it and are fairly reluctant so they made this thread. With that being the case, I will do anything in my power to deter someone from mutilating themselves because they've created an illusion that doing so "will make them happier". You idlely stand by it and just see it as their choice, I'm going to at least speak my mind about it and try to convince them that doing this won't make them any more/less happy because if you think that this creates happiness, you're about as delusional as the 16-17 year old teenage op..

Also the OP fueled the debate at several points, particularly for me when he said: "I shouldn't have to inform anyone that I underwent that sort of altercation" (something along those lines), partly because I know how often transgenders actually DO and share that kind of absolutely absurd, disgusting way of thinking.

 

[glamazonia]

That's the difference between you and I.

I will stand up against something that's completely wrong and backwards thinking. You tell me I'm mean for doing it; I think I'm enlightening for doing it. For all we know, as you said, OP might be 100% lying... Or maybe they're considering it and are fairly reluctant so they made this thread. With that being the case, I will do anything in my power to deter someone from mutilating themselves because they've created an illusion that doing so "will make them happier". You idlely stand by it and just see it as their choice, I'm going to at least speak my mind about it and try to convince them that doing this won't make them any more/less happy because if you think that this creates happiness, you're about as delusional as the 16-17 year old teenage op..

Also the OP fueled the debate at several points, particularly for me when he said: "I shouldn't have to inform anyone that I underwent that sort of altercation" (something along those lines), partly because I know how often transgenders actually DO and share that kind of absolutely absurd, disgusting way of thinking.

Except it isn't mutilating yourself unless you walk into it completely clueless as to what you are getting yourself into. There have been, are, and will be people who have undergone/will undergo such a change and end up much happier with the results. It just has to be something you are absolutely sure about because of the costs, risks, etc.

About the only thing I'll agree with you on is that I also believe that a potential future spouse should know the truth. It doesn't have to be brought up the moment of a meeting or anything but, imo, it should happen before things get serious just so it's out of the way and as a trust thing. If your boyfriend/girlfriend truly cares about you and is understanding enough, it shouldn't be anything to make a huge deal out of if you can be upfront about it as soon as you first feel comfortable/before you both really start to develop feelings so you can know their stance beforehand.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in any future relationships op, I just hope you are honest to yourself and whomever you end up with.

By the way, as for my opinion, it's based on their physical appearance a bit too I'll sadly admit. I suppose that could be easier though considering it seems easier to appear more manly than it is to genuinely look female.

I've seen some REALLY cute ftm's. I even met one when I was younger(a girl who said a similar thing and how she felt more like a boy in a girl's body) and you should have seen the smile on her(at the time) face when I told her that she'd make a cute boy.

 

[FloydZeppelin]

Except it isn't mutilating yourself unless you walk into it completely clueless as to what you are getting yourself into. There have been, are, and will be people who have undergone/will undergo such a change and end up much happier with the results. It just has to be something you are absolutely sure about because of the costs, risks, etc.

About the only thing I'll agree with you on is that I also believe that a potential future spouse should know the truth. It doesn't have to be brought up the moment of a meeting or anything but, imo, it should happen before things get serious just so it's out of the way and as a trust thing. If your boyfriend/girlfriend truly cares about you and is understanding enough, it shouldn't be anything to make a huge deal out of if you can be upfront about it as soon as you first feel comfortable/before you both really start to develop feelings so you can know their stance beforehand.

Regardless, I wish you the best of luck in any future relationships op, I just hope you are honest to yourself and whomever you end up with.

By the way, as for my opinion, it's based on their physical appearance a bit too I'll sadly admit. I suppose that could be easier though considering it seems easier to appear more manly than it is to genuinely look female.

I've seen some REALLY cute ftm's. I even met one when I was younger(a girl who said a similar thing and how she felt more like a boy in a girl's body) and you should have seen the smile on her(at the time) face when I told her that she'd make a cute boy.

Okay, I'm going to pretend like teenagers (op and probably your friend) doing this to themselves aren't clueless and immature and just stop responding to all of these posts. You're all adults and every decision you make is the right one. No matter what age you are. "yolo" right?