Would You Date a Transgender?

of course not!

 

Also I find it odd how a man can mutilate his body and become a "women" then call himself a lesbian? This whole topic is fucked up.

 

It looks like we're all going to have to pretend things then because I honestly hope you aren't implying what it seems you are. I never intended to offend your stance either, I even admitted to agreeing on a certain part. Was that smart response at the end really necessary?

It just seems a little bothersome how the op is being considered immature when a fair amount of the so called criticism against her stance has been just as immature if you ask me(in general; not directed at you).

 

I'm just giving you an answer to your post man, not straight to you.

See, what's bothersome to me is the incessant amount of people that post to encourage this kind of stuff instead of shedding a little light in and maybe encouraging people to do a little reevaluating. Am I forcing it? No. Did I say OP should be crucified for doing strange things to themselves? No. So what should I do? Say "ohh good for you, keep doing what you're doing!!!" or maybe help explain why there was even a need to create this thread in the first place? Should I not say anything at all and idly stand by?

Same goes for half the other threads in this ridiculously trashed category. Some people respond to me crazy on threads like "OMG tried X and COKe for the first time" or "me & my friend were drivin rollin blunts" when instead of replying with something along the typical lines of "oh snap dude i remember my first time *long story* lele drugs r cool", I respond with the truth that the shit the OP is doing can easily ruin their life/affect others, and I'm sure does (Tbh, it could happen to people on here. How many times do you think those people come and go from the forums? Who knows where they are). So in short, this is pretty much the reason I respond the way I do.

 

That's my friend, no lie. LOL.

 

You're retarded as fuck...?

Take a modern psychology course, biology course, like your information is so outdated.

 

Never. Most of the reasons stated why I wouldn't are already posted, so I'll leave it at that.

 

I wasn't referring to that post as just being directed at myself, although I felt it was partly directed at my response so I did respond to that feeling.

Did I also not post that a situation like this involves risks, etc. and should be given some serious thought? If done right however, it can actually end up with them being happier and feeling like they can be their true selves(something you seemed to be saying was a lie earlier on). In that case no harm is done if they are respectful enough to alert any potential partners before it goes into anything serious; something we agree on at least. It isn't all this 'you're f'ing yourself up and I advise you to stop' nonsense as some of the other situations you described all the time.

That's what I was trying to get at. I did not post here in an attempt to wreak anymore havoc than there already is; I just happen to personally be one who thinks that what the op is going through isn't something random that such people pull out of their rear ends out of complete confusion. I don't necessarily agree with everything the op has pointed out however.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "True selves". The only thing I said was it's a little ridiculous to think that changing from a male to a female is your "True self" just because in your mind you've convinced yourself to believe that you were "assigned a wrong gender", whatever that means.

I know for a fact the OP is only 19, so why is it so hard to believe they probably are going through this in a teenage, confused haze like we've all been in and have done different strange things. Do you really believe the OP has it all together and is in a right place to make huge commitments and decisions like permanently altering something because they think the sun will shine brighter when it's done? I mean ffs, on his personal support thread he's already clarified he doesn't value life anymore. He said it feels like the weight of the world is on his shoulders with everyday stress and family problems. Sure, it could all be hot steam, but please don't try to convince me OP has a clear mind to make decisions like this. You're trying to tell me that all of these issues, stress, etc. are going to disappear by cutting your penis off and changing your gender. OK. And again, I'm not forcing anything on, but after all zlacks wanted the responses...

Most people that do this are around the age of OP. So no, it really isn't random, but there are usually other reasons they do it that are blanketed with "my choice, my body, my rules" and "I'm a woman trapped in a man's body". I will not encourage that thinking because it's what gets people deeper in.

 

I'm not going to say the op is right on everything because I don't know the full offline details but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's just a phase either just because of their being in their teen years; some people identify and have a hunch that something is off about them from a very early age(which only serves to make things more confusing because of obvious reasons).

This is only getting off topic though so I'll try not to drag it on too much longer. How about this: I'll leave the op's case be because we don't know them offline and the details we've been given aren't helping as much as I'd like. Regardless, there are people out there who are genuine about this so they shouldn't all be grouped as confused and being something they are not(what your post on the second page was implying).

This topic is about whether or not you'd date a transgender person and my answer, as before, was that it all depends. If they're a convincing enough guy and a cute one at that(which I have seen on occasions before) whom I feel connected to, then sure.

 

But what's "off" about them at an early age? I can fully understand stuff like homosexual urges and whatnot because I believe, though EXTREMELY exaggerated amongst younger youth, that it is theoretically possible for gene mutations. What I'm failing to fathom is how you are born with everything that says "MAN", yet you aren't convinced you're a man. Sexual prowess and male reproductive organs and hormones are two separate wave lengths. Can you be born a hermaphrodite? Sure, you can, but again that's totally different than being born as a confirmed male, and transitioning to a female.

For me to even slightly sway to the other side, you'd have to prove to me that you can be assigned the wrong gender. Who assigned you the gender? Is there any other reasoning beyond what's imbedded in your brain as what you conceive to be "your real gender"?

 

It'd be even more confusing to try to explain it but here's something you should take a look at if you haven't before. What you're looking for is about 1/3 of the way down(?). Of course a lot of people may be going through a confused state but a lot of other cases do seem to involve people being genuinely serious about it. With everything but the kitchen sink thrown in the mixture(orientation and all of those other topics) no wonder it seems weird:

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS.html#anchor322586

 

That's what I'm saying, though. Those studies only prove the brain's role in identifying "your correct/incorrect gender". Unless it's further down, it doesn't even attempt to explain how someone can literally "be born assigned the wrong gender". Are child molesters born with tendencies to be attracted to adolescents, or is it the brain's functioning that causes them to feel that way? That might be a little bit of a stretch but I think you'll see the point I'm trying to make.

 

No, never.

 

DANGEROUS BELIEFS

"The beliefs that kill transsexuals are insidious and easily become fanatical. Many of them are religious, some are purely social. Accepting these beliefs, or failing to question and discard them, can kill you.

Here then are some of the very most dangerous beliefs, why they are just beliefs and not facts, and why they can kill you.





1. It is morally and spiritually evil to be a transsexual

Why this is a Belief and Not a Fact:

Morality is derived from religion, unlike ethics.
There is no proof of the existence of any religion. That is why religions are called FAITHS. Religion is taken on faith, because it is impossible to prove: indeed some religions require absence of proof, in order to validate the importance of faith itself. Regardless of the religion, no matter what it may be, there is no way to put a soul in a jar and measure it, or to dissect god on a table. Devoid of proof, religions are beliefs. This means that any rules or laws or morality are not based on fact. Such things are arbitrary.

Why this can kill you:

Accepting the belief that it is spiritually evil to be anything, automatically implies that to be good you must stop being it. If you cannot stop being it, you become intolerable. Intolerable things are, in most religions, to be destroyed. Believing this will make you hate yourself, and others, enough even to kill yourself, or other people like yourself. Many, many transsexual and homosexual people are killed, and have been killed, by this belief.




2. Absolute Truth Exists

Why this is a Belief and Not a Fact:

"Truth" is a mental definition. Truth cannot be pointed at, touched, or put in a jar. Truth is a concept, not an actual thing. Truth can be based on emotions, as in 'Emotional Truth', or even on best guesses. All truth is is an emotional measure of the veracity of information. Truth does not even automatically imply facts.

Why this can kill you:

'Absolute Truth' suggests that in some fashion the basic, emotional, faulty nature of 'truth' can be transcended to the point that it becomes unquestionable fact. This is problematic for several reasons. All facts can be questioned, and must be capable of being proved to remain facts. There can be no such thing as an unquestionable fact.
Absolute truth exists to silence any debate, to quell any curiosity, to censor any opposition. Fanaticism is based on absolute truth, and fanaticism kills people. Absolute truth makes acting on beliefs imperative. When belief is acted on without question, disaster will eventually follow.


3. Transsexuals are not as good as other people

Why this is a Belief and Not a Fact:

Transsexuality is a medical condition. It is just like being born with any deformity, or congenital defect. To say someone is inferior requires a definition of just what is meant by that inferiority. Certainly a blind person is inferior to a sighted person in being able to see, but this is just a statement of comparison based on capability. Transsexuals are statistically blessed by superior capabilities to the average population.
the word 'good' is a relative term, which has no basis in fact. What is 'good' to one person may be 'bad' to another.

Why this can kill you:

Self loathing can lead to suicide or self destructive behavior of many types. To imagine yourself as innately inferior, flawed, and less savory than other people leads to self hatred. Self hatred can kill you.

4. It would be better to deny and suppress my transsexuality

Why this is a Belief and Not a Fact:

On what is this based? Nothing. What is the definition of "better" in this belief? All medical evidence points to the contrary. This is pure emotion, pure fear, pure self doubt or even loathing. Transsexualism is a medical condition. Failure to treat this condition can lead to self destruction and often does.

Why this can kill you:

Failure to treat this condition can lead to self destruction and often does.




CONCLUSIONS

The beliefs that you hold, if unquestioned, can control your life, destroy your own happiness and the happiness of others, and lead to your own end.

Only by keeping a flexible mind, devoid of any absolutes whatsoever, mindful that all information is questionable, and by remaining aware of the difference between belief and fact, can any person hope to function in a sane and rational manner.

To the transsexual, this rejection of any absolute truth becomes vital. We exist in a world often controlled by arbitrary belief, and many of those beliefs are destructive and filled with mindless hate. To survive, the transsexual must learn to question all assumptions.

It is important to remember that you alone own your own mind, and it is your responsibility to determine what information you act on. You must take responsibility for your own collection of facts and beliefs, and it is to your advantage to reject beliefs, however appealing or ingrained, that would lead to your own misery or destruction."

-Founder of Transsexual.org's Dangerous Beliefs

 

I'll have to see if I can find the other thing I was reading before but here is something that gives a slight explanation(I think that's similar to what i was originally checking out). I just found it a bit unfair/narrow-minded how you wrote out that post on the 2nd page as if it was all just some trick of their minds or them not being true to themselves and wrongfully deceiving everyone(although you may or may not have fully intended that).

Yeah it's a bit of a stretch what you mentioned last there but it's similar because of all of this brain talk, lol. I'll have to look into that as well, although at least, with the risks of surgery and all of that involving SRS possibly away with such a person there really isn't much possible harm to cause except if they choose not to reveal it and risk their partner not being accepting if they were to find another way. A child molester is another story. :x

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090722231300AAM9VEu

 

The bottom line is that you still have male chromosomes. You will never change that. I completely agree with you.

Unfortunately for OP, he is in the process of destroying his body because he clearly never had any intelligent guidance as a child.

People need to learn to be happy with who they are, what ever happened to that? Bad parenting is what happened.

 

This is off topic with the current topic, but I am sincerely sorry to the OP for my foul language earlier that caused me to recieve the infraction. I didn't mean to be obnoxious, I hope you will understand.

 

It's pretty amusing how posters like yourself go out of your way to insult someone's intelligence and go on about how someone is raised yet you go about posting like that.

This is in no way me saying that there aren't those who regret it and potentially put themselves in dangerous situations but it is rather ignorant to imply all such people end up with some kind of 'doom and gloom' when there are people out there who are much better off and happier as a result of it.

How can someone be happy if they feel like they aren't who they are? There is a difference between not liking something about yourself and feeling you're something else, even if the two can intercept. This isn't something like not liking the size of your nose or something which usually doesn't involve much thought on what you are; It goes deeper.

If you disagree, fine, but resorting to comments like that? *sigh*

 

Only if she had a good personality. I mean sure in reality she would mostly pursue the route of getting all of the female organs. I'll admit, it would be rather awkward dating at first, but I'd get used to it. I don't judge and I probably would get used to it rather quickly. Like I said, it's all about personality for me. Nevertheless, I'm sure my family wouldn't approve of her if we decided to get married if she didn't get "fixed".