"Transgender" = mentally ill

Based on my beliefs, transgender definitely could be classified as a mental illness, and it personally sickens me, you were made the way that you were for a purpose, and reproductive-wise, after you change genders, you really have no business reproducing. (Mainly the sick fucks that become a man and then want to have a child)

 

Agreed, Remember back in the old days when tuberculosis was trendy for weight loss and people accepted it? Same can be said about being traumatized and looking for a quick identity swap

 

You're right, it is an illness - and the treatment is hormone therapy, sex reassignment surgery, etc. Nothing else has been shown to work.

I don't know what planet this guy's living on. Nobody "chooses" to be the opposite gender, much like nobody "chooses" to be gay. Also, "recruits"? What evidence does he have that the "cult of transgenderism" recruits people?

 

Just some food for thought here

Two-Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




You can be sure that the notion predates Target.

 

Telling a DMAB fifteen year old trans girl that she's actually just ill would send her directly into a mental breakdown and possibly even into a suicidal state. Spreading around concepts like that are dangerous and gross. Just because someone doesn't have the capacity to understand a feeling that many trans folk have doesn't mean that you're right by "studying" and "observing" trans folk.

The way you treat a mental illness is through medication or therapy. There aren't any medications to make a transgender person believe that they are actually just ill. They aren't ill. Let's say you put a transgender person into gender-conforming therapy. That's way worse than putting a gay kid in conversion therapy.

Why is society okay with classifying a dyke lesbian as butch (even though it's been used more as slander than anything else) but isn't okay with a person claiming they feel different than what their sexual organs biologically classify them as? What do these /claims/ do to your life? Nothing. Let them be. They're just trying to feel comfortable in their bodies through social and/or physical transition. Trans folk don't even need to transition to be trans. A trans woman can keep her penis for the rest of her life and not even receive hormone treatment or tell anybody ever and still be trans.

As for the long-winded bathroom argument, are you going to check the genitals of the people in the same bathrooms as you? What if there's a really feminine guy in the men's bathroom? Are you gonna ask if he's trans? Why are people not arguing that gay men should be in the women's bathroom because they won't be sexually attracted to the women in there? There's an argument going around that says people are going to transtrend to sexually assault little kids if a law allows people to "choose" their bathroom. If someone is going to sexually assault in a public restroom, they're going to do it anyway. The choosing of the bathroom is also a false thing; no one is choosing their bathroom. Trans folk just want to be able to use their correct bathroom.

What if there's a trans man who has a beard because he's been on testosterone shots for three years? Should he use the women's bathroom just because he has a vagina? That would look pretty bad if a trans man is very visibly "passing" as a man and goes into the women's bathroom. All the women in the bathroom would freak out and probably call security. If that same man goes into the men's bathroom, no one is going to take a second glance.

What about all of the native tribes that have more than two accepted identities? White/European culture has developed into something that has been socially accepted by a majority, but that doesn't make any of the views correct.

Why is it okay to assume you can pick trans folk out of a crowd?

Trans folk are very real but not because they are mentally ill. Trans folk are trans. Heteronormative culture is gross, and so is thinking that there's only man and woman (and thinking it is decided at birth).

Trans people have always existed. Some people are coming out of the quiet, not the closet.

 

Not an argument.

Just like propagating the idea that being "transgender" is dangerous and gross.

How many mentally ill individuals are wholly aware of their mental illness?

How thoroughly studied is the treatment of this mental illness? Little to none.

Discontinue from calling males "her," simply because you dress like a girl and put on makeup doesn't make you a "her." There's a difference between liking the way you dress simply because of styling, and biologically identifying as the opposite gender.

Not an argument, and nowhere in my entire original post was this argument ever laid out.

Since when have hypothetical scenarios ever been legitimate arguments?

Where is this being argued by myself or others.

So you agree? It's a mental illness.

Really, where in recorded history was this a phenomenon?

Nothing you've said is worthy of being a legitimate argument against the fact that transgender is a mental illness.

Would you dub apotemnophilia a mental disorder? Yes; and there are many stories of individuals wanting their completely healthy limbs amputated because they don't "feel" like it belongs to them. If you "feel" anything other than what you've been born into, you need help.

It's a modern phenomenon that we have come to accept something that deviates away from biology and delves into pure madness. Like i've asked others, i'll ask you to answer my above comparison between "transgender" and apotemnophilia, as both share the same logic.

 

Surgery and hormones don't bring down their suicide rates.

 

Food for thought: You use a conservative-funded and in no way independent think tank for your source. With that in mind, your source is not all that unbiased and is there to fill an agenda.


My entire thoughts are summed up as this:
Let people do whatever makes them feel comfortable. All you are attempting to do is further define people for no other reason than possible misunderstandings, disdain, or pre-conceived notions about transgender individuals. I am not transgender and I have no desire to transition, but I do not think individuals who are not transgender can even attempt to understand what such a feeling is like. Words and actions can only show so much, you do not know how a transgender individual feels; furthermore, all you ask is whether it is defined as a mental illness.

If we're going to define being transgender as a mental illness, first we need to define what a mental illness is; furthermore, who has the right to define what a mental illness is? Is it fair if the definition of a mental illness is incredibly broad? Is it fair to categorize the likes of bipolar and schizophrenia with something such as gender dysphoria? Lets say we actually do define what a mental illness is, definitions continually change and if you were to ask if homosexuality was a mental illness (in the U.S.) a mere 40 years ago, it was defined as such and still is in a variety of countries. All an attempted definition does is attempt to categorize people who deviate from a norm in such a manner that what they do effects their appearance. Should you be considered mentally ill if you get a tattoo?.. You are putting yourself through physical pain so you can alter the appearance of your body. What about piercings, you're putting holes in your body that "shouldn't" be there.

I do not find it fair to categorize it as a mental illness even if it is currently classified as one (as I'm sure with time it will be removed from said classification); however, it certainly effects how you think so it can fit the current definition. I just do not find the current definition adequate nor the comparison all-that-appropriate.


Edit:
Even though I find the definition this as a mental illness unreasonable, I am in no way against research to make individuals who experience gender dysphoria more comfortable whether shape that may be in.

PS. A little bit of research on your end would enlighten you on "natural biology" that involves animals changing their sex and transgender practices through history. This isn't exactly a new thing, sex changes are just now possible due to medical and scientific advances.

tl;dr
Stop attempting to define every little thing someone does and let people do whatever makes them comfortable. Sex is biological, gender is artificial.

 

Source? The only one I can find is the poorly done 2011 Swedish study, and articles written by Dr. McHugh. On the other hand, I found a small study indicating that most are satisfied with the results.

Even if it were determined that surgery/hormones don't bring down suicide rates, that doesn't mean that it's not effective. There's a lot of different factors that contribute to suicide, including being marginalized by society for being trans.

 

Agree, all this homo/trans thing started in prisons (we all seen movies on how some idiots pretend to be females there). That's how it started and now they pretend that they were born that way. It is a serious mental illness but it not a typical illness it is also a lifestyle/behaviour. Just like being a killer, it is a complex process on how one turns into one. US and some other countries made a very bad thing by allowing these sick individuals to marry each other, this should be treated and we should not allow these kind of things and show a bad example to our children.

 

Homosexuality and transgenderism have been documented going back as far as ancient Greece and Mesopotamia. What gave you the idea that it started in prisons?

 

I am talking about a big picture not a few people who were crazy.
Look 100-200+ years behind, people were conservative and weren't doing stupid stuff. Now when all this Kardashian and Bieber stuff gets popular the average iq and values drop down.

 

The data's a bit sketchy on transgenderism, but mainstream homosexuality has been documented since ancient Greece.

Do you have any actual data you can post (since this is the "intelligent discussion" forum) rather than just your impressions?

 

Do some research on any part of my post if you want. It's easy to find.

 

Okay. Here's what I found:

Google
Transgender History: Into the Modern Age (1700s - 1932)

Looks like it wasn't unheard of, by any means.

Typically, though, the one who makes the claim bears the burden of proof. Have you any data to post to support your claim, or no?

 

Not at all on the same level.

Don't you go see a doctor because you think something is wrong? I have plenty of friends that have been diagnosed.

I refuse, because their identities are valid. The clothes they wear is not what identifies them. Hell, I can have short hair and wear "guy clothes" and be called a dyke or butch, but the moment I say I am an actual boy, I'm told I'm wrong, that it's just a phase, or that it's a mental illness. Clothes and physical appearance aren't what dubs a gender. Identity and a feeling of what they are, is. Clothes do not have a gender. A trans woman can be trans without any hormones or surgery; those who choose to go this route have every right to, whether it be they don't feel like they will ever be "right" in their body because of what society says or because they feel more them that way. There are 101 reasons why people do and don't and they're all equally trans. Side note: "opposite" is invalid here, because M/F aren't the only two points on the spectrum.

It's an expansion on broader issues revolving around transgender folk. I wasn't saying any of it out of reply to you, but to shed light onto an important piece of incorrectness in every day life.

Hypothetical? Two spirit is a real thing, and transgender people have been around for hundreds of years. There are plenty of Indian tribes that believe in more than being one or just having two genders, and it is seen as an accepted norm rather than an unnatural or incorrect thing. (Try this: Colonialism, Two-Spirit Identity, and the Logics of White Supremacy).

Again, shedding light.

No, it was a semantical error and you know exactly what I meant by what I said.

Sure, maybe I lack in the argument department, but I do think that you are wrong and was just pointing out some things regardless of OP's direct argument.

I have heard of apotemnophilia before and will admit I don't know much about it, however, just because there are some basic same-sounding facts apparent, doesn't mean that they are actually a parallel fact. I think it is important to take chromosomes into account. If being transgender is anything besides just being transgender, I would think it was a womb chromosomal malfunction. A fetus is asexual for a little bit of time while in the womb; hormones are what develop the sexual organs. That being said, the presence or absence of the Y chromosome would determine female or male. What I want to know is, alternately, what if it's just about estrogen and testosterone levels? Or an imbalance? A chemical imbalance is known to cause something such as depression. Drugs to treat depression are usually chemical-based. Being given testosterone shots as a trans man will obviously change the body significantly over time. The prenatal part of our lives is very crucial to our development, so I'm more likely to believe that being transgender is due to an incorrect release of hormones while developing.

 

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Well, you tried.

WHY are the other options a mental illness, though? It doesn't do much good to just say what you believe and not try to back it up at all.

 

Tried all the.etcs and they weren't working :/
Proof is science

 

The one image I can click has sex listed as gender so I'm sure the rest of the post is some real a+ quality content.