Why do you hate homosexuality?

[ShockWaveee]

If you boil down the purpose of life, religion aside, it's essentially to reproduce. Therefore to me, homosexuality in itself is illogical. If it truly is something that you're born with, to me, it's simply a birth defect.

Now, I don't necessarily "hate" them, but it does make me uncomfortable and I believe it to be wrong on a religious standpoint. I don't understand why unless people accept anything and everything they suddenly become "ignorant" for not being open-minded. Who's to tell me what I can and cannot dislike, just as who am I to tell you what you can and cannot do with your sexuality?

I can see where you're coming from and respect your opinion. The purpose of life, purely instinctively, is to find a mate and have children that you take care of and prepare for their next stage in life. I agree with that entirely. However, I don't think we're necessarily bound to acting solely on instinct. Besides, many gay people DO have this feeling and want children, hence why a lot of gay people adopt. They can then have the same feelings of raising a child and having a family. I personally see nothing wrong with this, I'd rather a kid have a family and for the "parents" to be happy about having a child.

I'm not usually one to just call people ignorant for no reason. The only people I'm calling ignorant are genuinely ignorant because they have no legitimate reason to hate gay people, but do anyway. Either that, or they're completely uneducated about the subject and buy into the many stereotypes that are vastly untrue about gay people. If you call to attention specific examples where I have called anyone ignorant without proper reason then I will gladly elaborate further.

Back more so to the topic on hand. ShockWaveee, you're complaining about the biases and stereotypes that straight people have about gays and lesbians, but that very argument is stereotyping straights, and saying all straights have a problem with gays. The truth is that most straight people don't hate gays, and most gays don't hate straight people. You're trying to make it sound like no gay person hates straight people, but almost all straight people hate gays, which is a hugely unfair generalization, and very stereotypical. I'll actually respond to your argument when you can form a valid one.

I have not targeted the entire group of heterosexuals here on Sythe. I made mention quite a few times that I was calling only on the gay-bashers / opposers of homosexuality. The only thing that gave the slightest indicated of me assuming every heterosexual hates homosexuality is the title, which I admit is a bit alarming to those who do not actually hate it, so I'll apologize for that. However, I stand by everything I've said and feel honestly as though I have not generalized anybody. Also, I do realize that there are of course extremists on both sides, including homosexuals that hate straights. I do feel as though a lot of that hate is more intended for the heterosexuals that feel the need to deny them the rights afforded to heterosexuals, rather than just heterosexuals in general. This topic in and of itself proves that not every straight person hates gays, which is something I fully understood before writing it, so I don't think it was necessary to point that out to me, but thanks.

Btw sorry I haven't really been on Sythe the past few days so I haven't been around to checking this topic, but I see there's still been some good discussion, cheers

 

[ScammersAreDumb]

I have not targeted the entire group of heterosexuals here on Sythe. I made mention quite a few times that I was calling only on the gay-bashers / opposers of homosexuality. The only thing that gave the slightest indicated of me assuming every heterosexual hates homosexuality is the title, which I admit is a bit alarming to those who do not actually hate it, so I'll apologize for that. However, I stand by everything I've said and feel honestly as though I have not generalized anybody. Also, I do realize that there are of course extremists on both sides, including homosexuals that hate straights. I do feel as though a lot of that hate is more intended for the heterosexuals that feel the need to deny them the rights afforded to heterosexuals, rather than just heterosexuals in general. This topic in and of itself proves that not every straight person hates gays, which is something I fully understood before writing it, so I don't think it was necessary to point that out to me, but thanks.

Btw sorry I haven't really been on Sythe the past few days so I haven't been around to checking this topic, but I see there's still been some good discussion, cheers

When I say that homosexuals are just as stereotypical as heterosexuals, I don't mean it in the sense that there are a lot of homosexuals that hate heterosexuals. What I mean is this, and perhaps a little story of what has happened to me in real life can better help me explain my view.

Basically, as I said before, I work at a job where there are a lot of families, children, but at the same time many couples, etc. You'd be surprised how much PDA goes on sometimes (and no it's not even a romantic place, or resort, etc.). I often times have to go and talk to people and tell them to tone it down a bit, because it often times gets inappropriate. I've had to tell many straight couples, as well as gay couples to do this.

When I talk to a straight couple, they almost always say, "Oh, sorry, we didn't realize it," or something along those lines, and everything is fine. When I talk to a gay couple, however, they immediately get defensive, and assume that the only reason I'm talking to them is because they are homosexuals. To me, it irritates the hell out of me, and I'd say probably 80% of the gay couples I've talked to have acted like this. Several have literally blatantly said something like, "Oh, so just because we're gay we can't show that we care about each other," etc. I usually respond with, "No, actually I'm talking to you because you're making out and it's inappropriate."

I realize there are many people who hate homosexuals for no reason, and I do think it's wrong, and honestly sad, because they are just as good of people as the rest of us. The reason I believe they get that reputation, however, is because most of the time they stereotype us first, without even giving us a chance to know them. My story above is a perfect example of this.

 

[ShockWaveee]

When I say that homosexuals are just as stereotypical as heterosexuals, I don't mean it in the sense that there are a lot of homosexuals that hate heterosexuals. What I mean is this, and perhaps a little story of what has happened to me in real life can better help me explain my view.

Basically, as I said before, I work at a job where there are a lot of families, children, but at the same time many couples, etc. You'd be surprised how much PDA goes on sometimes (and no it's not even a romantic place, or resort, etc.). I often times have to go and talk to people and tell them to tone it down a bit, because it often times gets inappropriate. I've had to tell many straight couples, as well as gay couples to do this.

When I talk to a straight couple, they almost always say, "Oh, sorry, we didn't realize it," or something along those lines, and everything is fine. When I talk to a gay couple, however, they immediately get defensive, and assume that the only reason I'm talking to them is because they are homosexuals. To me, it irritates the hell out of me, and I'd say probably 80% of the gay couples I've talked to have acted like this. Several have literally blatantly said something like, "Oh, so just because we're gay we can't show that we care about each other," etc. I usually respond with, "No, actually I'm talking to you because you're making out and it's inappropriate."

I realize there are many people who hate homosexuals for no reason, and I do think it's wrong, and honestly sad, because they are just as good of people as the rest of us. The reason I believe they get that reputation, however, is because most of the time they stereotype us first, without even giving us a chance to know them. My story above is a perfect example of this.

I don't think anybody in this thread is trying to argue that they should be able to show PDA because personally I don't approve of PDA in general, straight or gay/lesbian, unless it's just a peck on the lips or holding hands.. that kind of thing. I don't really understand what you're trying to get at with them stereotyping you, I don't see anywhere at all where they did anything other than think they were getting discriminated against, which admittedly was wrong to assume. However, it probably happens to them quite often so to them it's just a natural assumption. If they were stereotyping you, they would've said a generalized negative statement towards heterosexuals, which judging by your post, they did not do.

 

[Harpoon]

That's a stereotype that has never been proven, and never will be. AIDS didn't just come out of nowhere because gay people started to become more open, we just hadn't found/diagnosed the disease until then, and gay people made a very easy scapegoat because of ignorant retards. Also, AIDS has nothing to do with being gay. The fact that the anal tissue tears more easily during sex and therefore the virus is more easily transmitted is the only correlation, and anal sex is not limited to just homosexual relations. Plus it can still be transmitted vaginally, orally, and a plethora of other ways.

Erm, when has a gay person ever judged you for being straight? That's ridiculous. You may have found the one straight basher out of the bunch, but I have never known or much less heard of straight hate among gays. Unless you call fighting for equal rights being judgmental.




You missed the point. A mangled body is on a different level entirely. You're comparing apples to oranges, it doesn't work that way. I'm sure the vast majority of people would be far, far more disgusted by a mangled body regardless of whether or not they hate gay people. Use a better example if you're going to do comparisons. Also, just because I find mangled bodies disgusting, does not mean I should hate mangled bodies.

Just shut up, shut up.
His reason is his reason, why are you trying to tell him his reason isn't valid, huh?
Your reason for being a gay-lover is invalid, bud.
Has a gay person tried touching your crotch, has he tried feeling you, has he tried talking to you sexually, has your girlfriend's best friend who is gay tried doing these things to you? I bet not. To me, yes.
You should respect religious intolerance, it is up to that person to make a decision. You need to stfu, because for the most part, I don't like a lot of gays.
The way they talk.
The way they are.
The sexual acts.
It's gross and revolting.

EDIT: I know some gay people who think straight sex is disgusting and they don't like a lot of straight men, no joke.
Why do you fully support homosex?
I like black people, I'm not black, I don't go to black support rallies.
-.-

 

[Lgbo]

Honestly I dont mind it. If two lesbians were openly kissing i wouldnt say a word so i would feel it unfair if I said something to two guys.

 

[ShockWaveee]

Just shut up, shut up.
His reason is his reason, why are you trying to tell him his reason isn't valid, huh?
Your reason for being a gay-lover is invalid, bud.
Has a gay person tried touching your crotch, has he tried feeling you, has he tried talking to you sexually, has your girlfriend's best friend who is gay tried doing these things to you? I bet not. To me, yes.
You should respect religious intolerance, it is up to that person to make a decision. You need to stfu, because for the most part, I don't like a lot of gays.
The way they talk.
The way they are.
The sexual acts.
It's gross and revolting.

EDIT: I know some gay people who think straight sex is disgusting and they don't like a lot of straight men, no joke.
Why do you fully support homosex?
I like black people, I'm not black, I don't go to black support rallies.
-.-

I don't even know why I'm dignifying this with a response, since you're probably just going to be too ignorant to see my point.

Anyways, I am not going to go into depth about my sex life. There is no reason for me to do so, especially just to prove a point. I will say that you are wrong in your assumptions though.

Why in the hell should I respect religious intolerance? I don't give a fuck what you believe - if you're a Christian, so fucking be it. The USA was founded on religious TOLERANCE. Not intolerance. The entire reason the USA was founded was for personal freedom. These people are being told that because they're different, they are not afforded the same freedoms as everybody else. That's the issue, plain and simple. I need to stfu because my opinion is not the same as yours? You really suck at this debate thing, which usually involves producing reasons/arguments as to why the other side is wrong. You saying you don't like the way gay people talk or the acts they take place in (Which btw, is of no fucking concern to you if you are not gay) is simply an invalid and ignorant reason to dislike the entire group.

To answer your question, I "fully support homosex" because there is nothing harmful or threatening about it. I'm comfortable enough with my own sexuality to admit that, obviously you are not. I never asked anyone to partake in gay pride parades either, btw. Having an opinion on the subject is completely different from actually being proactive about it. Also, having an educated and unbiased opinion is the most important thing you can do. If there were no religious or social stigma attached to it, we would not even be having this conversation. Sooner or later, homosexuality will be recognized by law and then soon after, society will learn to accept it. It's an impossible to avoid eventuality, and I do not see any harm that it could possibly inflict on anyone. You don't like seeing gay people? Too fucking bad, get used to it, or look the other way. You pick. No one is forcing you to look at two guys fucking.

 

[blazinfasstt]

I don't even know why I'm dignifying this with a response, since you're probably just going to be too ignorant to see my point.

Anyways, I am not going to go into depth about my sex life. There is no reason for me to do so, especially just to prove a point. I will say that you are wrong in your assumptions though.

Why in the hell should I respect religious intolerance? I don't give a fuck what you believe - if you're a Christian, so fucking be it. The USA was founded on religious TOLERANCE. Not intolerance. The entire reason the USA was founded was for personal freedom. These people are being told that because they're different, they are not afforded the same freedoms as everybody else. That's the issue, plain and simple. I need to stfu because my opinion is not the same as yours? You really suck at this debate thing, which usually involves producing reasons/arguments as to why the other side is wrong. You saying you don't like the way gay people talk or the acts they take place in (Which btw, is of no fucking concern to you if you are not gay) is simply an invalid and ignorant reason to dislike the entire group.

To answer your question, I "fully support homosex" because there is nothing harmful or threatening about it. I'm comfortable enough with my own sexuality to admit that, obviously you are not. I never asked anyone to partake in gay pride parades either, btw. Having an opinion on the subject is completely different from actually being proactive about it. Also, having an educated and unbiased opinion is the most important thing you can do. If there were no religious or social stigma attached to it, we would not even be having this conversation. Sooner or later, homosexuality will be recognized by law and then soon after, society will learn to accept it. It's an impossible to avoid eventuality, and I do not see any harm that it could possibly inflict on anyone. You don't like seeing gay people? Too fucking bad, get used to it, or look the other way. You pick. No one is forcing you to look at two guys fucking.

i do not think you are using the word invalid correctly when referring to arguments

this is a valid argument:
1) if I am blue, then I am a christian
2)I am blue
3)therefore, I am a christian
this argument is valid
this argument is also weak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity



also, when talking about controversial subjects such as this, it is useful to not jump down the throat of people who shed their inhibitions and honestly discuss their feelings.
all that will happen if you do jump down their throat is they will be afraid to discuss controversial subjects honestly in fear of being persecuted for it.

like i said before
this thread is summed in a few sentences:

- why do you not like A
- you are wrong for not liking A

 

[ShockWaveee]

i do not think you are using the word invalid correctly when referring to arguments

this is a valid argument:
1) if I am blue, then I am a christian
2)I am blue
3)therefore, I am a christian
this argument is valid
this argument is also weak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity

I don't think it is in good conscious to afford reasons such as "I don't know" "They talk differently" "They walk differently" or "They dress differently" the title of a valid argument. This post is useless btw. I've noticed you tend to just pick arguments/look for something to complain about, please don't do that on my thread.

Also, Finn, thank you very much for the kind words and keep strong man.

 

[blazinfasstt]

I don't think it is in good conscious to afford reasons such as "I don't know" "They talk different" "They walk differently" or "They dress differently" the title of a valid argument. This post is useless btw. I've noticed you tend to just pick arguments/look for something to complain about, please don't do that on my thread.

Also, Finn, thank you very much for the kind words and keep strong man.

thank you for not even considering the actual definition of validity.

to explain again
this is a valid argument:
1) if homosexuals dress differently, I do not like them
2) homosexuals dress differently
3)therefore, i do not like them

not a strong argument but it is a valid argument.

a valid argument is one which has a pattern in which it is impossible for the conclusion to be false if the premises are true.

validity says nothing about the actual truth values of any premises

 

[ShockWaveee]

thank you for not even considering the actual definition of validity.

to explain again
this is a valid argument:
1) if homosexuals dress differently, I do not like them
2) homosexuals dress differently
3)therefore, i do not like them

not a strong argument but it is a valid argument.

a valid argument is one which has a pattern in which it is impossible for the conclusion to be false if the premises are true.

validity says nothing about the actual truth values of any premises

What do you want me to say? What exactly would appease you? I may not have used the term 100% correct if all you look at is the definition of the word. I was mainly trying to convey that these are really bad reasons to dislike something, so the point applies and I don't see what you trying to derail my entire argument based on maybe a minor misuse of a word is going to accomplish. As I said, stop picking for things to make a big deal out of, you do this on like every thread... it's annoying.

 

[blazinfasstt]

What do you want me to say? What exactly would appease you? I may not have used the term 100% correct if all you look at is the definition of the word. I was mainly trying to convey that these are really bad reasons to dislike something, so the point applies and I don't see what you trying to derail my entire argument based on maybe a minor misuse of a word is going to accomplish. As I said, stop picking for things to make a big deal out of, you do this on like every thread... it's annoying.

call it a weak argument then

just please notice the difference between a weak, ill-formed, valid and cogent argument when trying to pick apart others arguments using these same terms.

do this on every thread.....
do you have any examples or are you just going to use a vague accusation, as you have done?



if you, however, want to continue using the word invalid incorrectly, even after being corrected, I can not stop you.
I hope you use the word invalid with another person who knows the actual definition while face to face. then they can humiliate you face to face.


to those that say i am trying to cover up a weak position, what is my position?
i agree with you guys about what you are saying. it is unnecessary to state so. I have no ulterior motives, I just want people to use these terms correctly, or else not use them at all.

It does not help anyone to use these terms incorrectly and thus perpetuate this ignorance.
what i like is when people use an impressive lexicon as a smokescreen to cover their rather simple ideas.

 

[ShockWaveee]

call it a weak argument then

just please notice the difference between a weak, ill-formed, valid and cogent argument when trying to pick apart others arguments using these same terms.

I do not consider an argument that contains no logic or reason to back it up to be even so much as a weak argument. A weak argument, to me, would contain at least a little bit of evidence or reason why the argument is correct. None of the people who I quoted had any logical reason or evidence as to why they have a dislike for gay people. Therefore, the argument is invalid. There is really no reason to even make a big deal out of this like you currently are, the point is made either way.

Also, I will not go through your post history just to show you something you probably already know you do/are doing, just letting you know it does not go unnoticed. I also refuse to argue about a personal issue on my thread so if you really feel the need to continue this, pm me instead

To further back up my point that an argument containing no reason or logic is not an argument, I will once again link you to this topic posted by Sythe himself that explains exactly what I mean:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=937359

Pretty sure you ignored it last time I posted it, read it please.

Friendly reminder:

Keep this thread on-topic, thanks.

Nitpicking my wording will not further the topic at hand, and the point is made either way it was worded

 

[Piltro]

I was taught Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, so I don't mind Homosexuals but I disagree that they choose the same sex as a mate.

 

[Wub to craft]

I don't hate "them", but I don't like "them". Well, I guess it depends.. I've got many gay people in my family, I like them, but a gay guy my age, I just couldn't socialize with him very sucessfully, however, I wouldn't be rude to him.
I can't joke around like I do with most of my buddies, (as in sexual jokes with eachother, when we're both males). < some people might find that very weird, but we find it funny as fuck, especially when you see what people look at you like.
Most gay males don't like things I like, so I find it hard to socialize with them.

 

[Noss.]

I have nothing against homosexuality. But, I don't really like to mix/hang around with that type.​

 

[xxlr0ngelxx]

i have no problem with it as llong as i dont see it , but if i do then something is goin to be said by me , but other then that if gays want to be gay then fuck it let em , just not infront of me

 

[The Don Kiluminati]

Don't have a problem with them, it's more or less we all go about our own business really and nothing more needs to come from it.

It's disgusting seeing it, if you've ever seen two gay people show PDA you would know.
Kinda like people who are scared of seeing blood you can't control yourself but just be disgusted by it.

I think most straight people would feel this way. I know alot of straight people that could watch straight porn but wouldn't be able to stand watching gay porn. Gay's may feel the same way (in the opposite scenario).