Why do you hate homosexuality?

[Parox]

You sound incredibly homophobic, yet you can't produce one single valid reason to be so. There is nothing threatening or harmful about gay people. The fact you judge a person's appearance based on their sexuality shows your own personal bias/prejudice is preventing you from forming any sort of logical approach to the argument at hand.

I can't tell you why I'm homophobic because from since when I was a child i've always felt like that around them.

 

[malakadang]

Even if it were two smoking hot lesbians?

Also, in a world full of so many unnatural things, it's hard to hate something for being unnatural. Regardless of your beliefs, we were not made with the idea of things like cell phones, televisions, computers, etc in mind yet you probably don't find the unnatural-ness of those items to be particularly unsettling

Knew it.

There is a very distinct difference between 2 lesbians and 2 gays. By definition they're the same, in reality they are not.

2 lesbians are unnatural, yes, you could say that as heterosexuals are for the most part normal. However, because men physiologically, and historically go after girls, it would make 2 lesbians unnatural, but still attractive, thus nullifying the unnatural effect.

I'll expand if necessary.


Your second point, what a mess!
I have 2 rebuttals.

Humans are not televisions.
Humans have thoughts, feelings, emotions, a hereditary system, they have what no inanimate object as.
A television is simply that.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges.


Second.

When I grew up, computers, televisions, these where not unnatural to me. They were there from the beginning, so your argument is pointless. However, should a day come when flying cars be invented, I might feel uneasy about them, as throughout my life, cars are to remain only on ground, and cars for the purpose of domestic travel through the air would bewilder me.

 

[blazinfasstt]

social identity theory
we treat outgroups competitively and in groups favorably

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_identity

one time a dude hit on me. when i quietly walked away without saying anything all I heard was, "you're so nice!".

it was not hate, it was just a feeling of discomfort.

 

[ShockWaveee]

Knew it.

There is a very distinct difference between 2 lesbians and 2 gays. By definition they're the same, in reality they are not.

2 lesbians are unnatural, yes, you could say that as heterosexuals are for the most part normal. However, because men physiologically, and historically go after girls, it would make 2 lesbians unnatural, but still attractive, thus nullifying the unnatural effect.

I'll expand if necessary.


Your second point, what a mess!
I have 2 rebuttals.

Humans are not televisions.
Humans have thoughts, feelings, emotions, a hereditary system, they have what no inanimate object as.
A television is simply that.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges.


Second.

When I grew up, computers, televisions, these where not unnatural to me. They were there from the beginning, so your argument is pointless. However, should a day come when flying cars be invented, I might feel uneasy about them, as throughout my life, cars are to remain only on ground, and cars for the purpose of domestic travel through the air would bewilder me.

Your first point is coming from a male perspective. The same could be said, but in reverse, from a girl's point of view. I fail to see how attractiveness even needs to be factored in anyway, though. It's as if when you see lesbians you think "Well they're still girls, it's okay that they're gay and I'm still attracted to them" but when you see gay males you think they somehow want you to be attracted to them, thus making you uncomfortable because you are not. The truth is, they could probably care less if you are attracted to them if you are not gay, and so the whole ideal is a mess to begin with.

As for the second point, it's not really that far off of a comparison really. You say you're not put off by the unnatural-ness of the modern technologies we enjoy today because you've always had them around, so they became "normal" for you. Don't you think that if things like religion and bigotry in general hadn't suppressed the gay/lesbian culture for so long that it would have had time to become commonplace/accepted by now? Blacks were treated as less of humans during slavery, but times have changed and they are no longer perceived as of less value than other races of the world by most people's standards. The same can and probably will be said about gays in the future. They're fighting for equal rights just as black people had to during the civil rights movement. Do you think everybody just stopped being racist over night? It took society time to adjust to the changes. You're just one of the people who haven't adjusted yet and come to realize gays are not anymore unnatural than the rest of the world.

 

[ShockWaveee]

I can't tell you why I'm homophobic because from since when I was a child i've always felt like that around them.

It's called an "irrational fear" for a reason. The sooner you realize that the better.

 

[Parox]

It's called an "irrational fear" for a reason. The sooner you realize that the better.

I don't know what you mean...

 

[ShockWaveee]

I don't know what you mean...

ir·ra·tion·al   
[ih-rash-uh-nl]
–adjective
1. without the faculty of reason; deprived of reason.
2. without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
3. not in accordance with reason; utterly illogical: irrational arguments.

 

[Piramid]

He means you fear or hate gay people for no rational reason
Edit: sorry for posting the exact same thing as ^

 

[Parox]

ir·ra·tion·al   
[ih-rash-uh-nl]
–adjective
1. without the faculty of reason; deprived of reason.
2. without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
3. not in accordance with reason; utterly illogical: irrational arguments.

What do you want me to do about it ?
Lol...

 

[blazinfasstt]

you asked for the reasons why people do not like homosexuals in certain situations

please start another argument if you want to argue whether they are right for believing this or not.

seriously, i bet 90% of the people who say they are uncomfortable around gay people do also think that being gay is ok.

as has been stated, emotions do not have to be rational, that is why they are emotions.

you can state ways to change these basic reactions like becoming familiar with them ect. but please do not bash them for not having taken these steps yet.

this is like me starting a topic asking people why they do not like black people and then, when they actually give an honest answer, i bash them and call them a racist

 

[ShockWaveee]

What do you want me to do about it ?
Lol...

The idea that your opinions are set in stone is an ignorant idea. You are binding yourself to an ignorant ideal and saying that you cannot possibly change how you feel, despite there being no logical or rational reason for you to hate gay people. If you can add nothing further to discuss other than "I hate gays and I have no reason why", which is essentially all you've done, then I don't see a reason to even post to be quite frank.

 

[Parox]

The idea that your opinions are set in stone is an ignorant idea. You are binding yourself to an ignorant ideal and saying that you cannot possibly change how you feel, despite there being no logical or rational reason for you to hate gay people. If you can add nothing further to discuss other than "I hate gays and I have no reason why", which is essentially all you've done, then I don't see a reason to even post to be quite frank.

That was your question...
And you will get the same answer from most people, except the few who had bad experiences with them...

 

[ShockWaveee]

you asked for the reasons why people do not like homosexuals in certain situations

please start another argument if you want to argue whether they are right for believing this or not.

seriously, i bet 90% of the people who say they are uncomfortable around gay people do also think that being gay is ok.

as has been stated, emotions do not have to be rational, that is why they are emotions.

you can state ways to change these basic reactions like becoming familiar with them ect. but please do not bash them for not having taken these steps yet.

this is like me starting a topic asking people why they do not like black people and then bashing them because their beliefs are irrational.

So I am not allowed to rebuttal any of the reasons WHY they hate gay people? That makes a lot of sense, man. Why don't I just go create another topic to rebuttal these points rather than condensing all of the information in one topic. I love the logic you have going on.

That was your question...
And you will get the same answer from most people, except the few who had bad experiences with them...

please refer to these topics:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=834089
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=937359

 

[blazinfasstt]

So I am not allowed to rebuttal any of the reasons WHY they hate gay people? That makes a lot of sense, man. Why don't I just go create another topic to rebuttal these points rather than condensing all of the information in one topic. I love the logic you have going on.

you asked them for their feelings about it.

you completely change the topic of this conversation from how they feel to THE VALIDITY OF HOW THEY FEEL.

seriously, few of us in here are arguing that these feelings are completely rational. jesus, they are feelings.

 

[Jimmy]

To sum up the thread thus far: I don't like homosexuals because I find it icky. I don't know why I find it icky.

Perhaps a better question: would those of you who find homosexuality to be disgusting allow your feelings to influence public policy (ex. you would oppose gay marriages, gays serving openly in the military, etc.), and if so, why?

 

[DMR]

I don't hate Gay people but It disgust me when I see two men kissing, whereas when two girls kiss, it's not as disgusting or at all. I guess that is because, I am a guy. I also believe it is because we are not all accepting it. If I seen it more, I believe it would not disgust me as much. I just gotta get use to it but one thing that freaks me out is when a gay person likes me but doesn't realize that I am straight, it discomforts me. Like I said, even looking at gay people kiss disgust me so I can't picture myself having any sort of physical contact with them.

Don't get me wrong, I have no negative thoughts towards gay people, just that, It doesn't seem right when they kiss. Maybe that's because I see more straight people kiss then I see gay people kiss.

 

[malakadang]

Your first point is coming from a male perspective.

This is coming from my perspective as a male, however, this questions specifically asked, 'why do YOU'.

The same could be said, but in reverse, from a girl's point of view. I fail to see how attractiveness even needs to be factored in anyway, though.

Females are different to males. On a chemical level, however my point above stands.

It's as if when you see lesbians you think "Well they're still girls, it's okay that they're gay and I'm still attracted to them" but when you see gay males you think they somehow want you to be attracted to them, thus making you uncomfortable because you are not. The truth is, they could probably care less if you are attracted to them if you are not gay, and so the whole ideal is a mess to begin with.

No, what form of nonsensical logic is this?

When I look at girls, I'm attracted, irrelevant of their sexuality.
When I look at guys, I'm NOT attracted, irrelevant of their sexuality.

The reason gay males make me uncomfortable is from what I've already said, however, I'll elaborate even further on the unnatural part.
It is natural for guys to find girls attractive, and go after them in a sexual nature.
It is unnatural for the same gender to go after each other. (On a personal level, it may be natural for a guy to be gay, however, in context with society, it is abnormal.)
I honestly am not sure what your trying to say, so I've been stabbing in the dark. Suffice to say, your arguments are illogical, pertaining to the fact that they are NOT valid, and NOT sound.

As for the second point, it's not really that far off of a comparison really. You say you're not put off by the unnatural-ness of the modern technologies we enjoy today because you've always had them around, so they became "normal" for you. Don't you think that if things like religion and bigotry in general hadn't suppressed the gay/lesbian culture for so long that it would have had time to become commonplace/accepted by now?

How did cavemen mate? How do most, if not all animals reproduce (not asexually) Your argument is invalid. Also, in relevance to society, the society you are born in is the societies views you will generally adopt, hence the difference from a modern day mans views to a medieval knight's view.

Blacks were treated as less of humans during slavery, but times have changed and they are no longer perceived as of less value than other races of the world by most people's standards.

A white man in a black country;the white man is abnormal.
A black man in a white country;the black man is abnormal.

As blazin said, in-groups, and out-groups. Dominance and Recessiveness. Black people, and White people are still different. They're skin colour is different. This by no means, means that they're inferior, they are still equal standing, they just have different characteristics attributed to them. A black man. A white man, omit the colour, they're still a man.
Now, people don't like what is different, hence the wrongful prejudice.

The same can and probably will be said about gays in the future. They're fighting for equal rights just as black people had to during the civil rights movement.

I prefaced with supporting their equal rights, I don't this statement is necessary.

Do you think everybody just stopped being racist over night? It took society time to adjust to the changes. You're just one of the people who haven't adjusted yet and come to realize gays are not anymore unnatural than the rest of the world.

Gays are unnatural in a historical and physiological sense.
Gather all the animals in the world that reproduce sexually. List me the ones that reproduce with the same gender.

I don't know if they're are any. They're probably are a couple. However, Millions versus an exclusive group, tell me, which is normal?

I'll stand besides gays in regards to equal rights. I however, will still remain uncomfortable around some of them, I believe i also accentuated the word some in my previous posts.

Next time, when using examples, I would suggest you try to keep them relevant, and extremely close to the point your trying to argue.

 

[Jimmy]

Naturality is not the same as normality (the abnormal can come naturally, as is the case with the topic at hand), and homosexuals are not incapable of reproducing sexually, they merely lack the attraction to the opposite sex that drives reproduction in part, but not exclusively.

 

[malakadang]

Naturality is not the same as normality (the abnormal can come naturally, as is the case with the topic at hand), and homosexuals are not incapable of reproducing sexually, they merely lack the attraction to the opposite sex that drives reproduction in part, but not exclusively.

I agree, sometimes where I've said naturally, I should have used normally and vice versa.

While they are not incapable of reproducing sexually, they don't. I do understand completely where your coming from thought.

I did however initially say the same thing as you to begin with. I honestly don't know why I don't like them. I go on further to attribute this to the way some of them act, but also, the fact that in society they're not normal in relation to the fact that most of society is heterosexual.

 

[N1ckluvn]

I don't hate it, i am just not comfortable being around someone who is.