Why can't the world, or America, function in this manner?

[Suburban Gangsta]

If something is illegal due to religion or any other bullshit that has human influence, such as prostitution, abortion, specific drugs, gay marriage.....how can it be illegal for reasons like that when government isn't even given the right to make decisions for the larger being because they aren't given the power by the constitution or any other legal document?

Why can't everything illegal due to human influence from religion and other things be legalized and if someone is against it, than to not do it. But, if someone is for it, than they're allowed to do it?

Such as abortion. If a religion is against it, they don't follow in steps of abortion. But, if someone is for it, they're allowed to do it without being worried about the law coming for them because they chose to do something to their own body?

Do you believe the law should work like this against cases that are illegal by reasonings like those?

 

[woodcut ox]

How can we make gay marriage Legal? Then where forcing religious institutions against there will, and if we keep it illegal we deprive people of a basic right to marry.

The point is the same thing you bring up for legalizing also hurts others who don't follow.

 

[Suburban Gangsta]

How can we make gay marriage Legal? Then where forcing religious institutions against there will, and if we keep it illegal we deprive people of a basic right to marry.

The point is the same thing you bring up for legalizing also hurts others who don't follow.

You don't get the point. There is no forcing or nullifying anything. Marriage is still going to be around, but allowed to same-sex marriage. Those who don't like that idea, can bar themselves from gays, but those who are gay can get married without being punished by the law.

I don't see the big deal with marriage anyways, it's just a piece of paper.. I don't even want to get married and I'm straight because it doesn't determine two peoples love. But who am I to judge? I'm not against gay marriage at all, in fact I'm for it, having a few gay friends myself, I don't know why the government is so uptight about it.. Certain churches can say no if they don't wish to marry a gay couple, and other churches may accept it, why must it be illegal.

If divorce happened between two people the woman would be stoned to death, why isn't that still happening? Why are we ONLY following CERTAIN sections of the bible but the other half is thrown to the side.
When you talk about drugs though, it's a whole new thing, I believe the government keep those illegal for the safety and health of everyone, I'm 100% against drugs, but again, it's the persons /personal/ preference, who are we to take that away from them? The most we can do is warn them and hope they choose the right path.

That's your opinion, in that case it shouldn't matter what happens. Marriage is very important for woman however, it gives them a document to assure them that if anything is to happen, they can support themselves after the relationship has ended. If this wasn't the case, what would happen with the earnings? The court isn't going to waste their time dealing with splitting the earnings of every boyfriend-girlfriend breakup....and that wouldn't be fair because there was no contract between them and women will be treated like the old times where a guy can leave whenever and not be bound to a contract...

 

[Suburban Gangsta]

Are you insane, that's exactly why marriage is BAD. I bet 70% of females out there ONLY get married for money. That's disgusting, just because you where married to someone doesn't mean you should get half of someones hard earned money.

Called a prenuptial for the guy....

Also, back in the days with no marriage it'd allow guys to mistreat females, impregnate them and leave without being bound to child-support, and all that other crap....you call that good? If money is the issue for marriage, the guy can get prenuptial...so that will cover his ass.

 

[Xier0]

Morality and religion are separate. I know atheists who are against abortion, prostitution, etc. A lot of moral laws are incorporated in religion, such as don't steal, kill, etc. It doesn't take a religious person to call those things 'wrong'.

 

[Suburban Gangsta]

Morality and religion are separate. I know atheists who are against abortion, prostitution, etc. A lot of moral laws are incorporated in religion, such as don't steal, kill, etc. It doesn't take a religious person to call those things 'wrong'.

You don't get the point of this thread.

 

[Alex_J_Leon]

The government likes to be intrusive to protect us from ourselves. There are a lot of laws I don't like, and a lot that I do. I've heard some people say they'd rather have a child and give it up for adoption than to have it aborted and I think that is nonsense.

I'm not religious and I'd like prostitution to remain illegal, for instance. Abortion isn't illegal. What specific drugs? Marijuana? I'd like that to be illegal too; oddly enough, one of the driving reasons is because the stench is so horrid. I'd like alcohol to be illegal too mainly because it causes a lot of problems and solves none... ranging from sleeping with some ugly chick, to one of the worst... drunk driving. I've seen a lot of drunk drivers... then there's also texting and driving, Angry Birds and driving, etc. They should all carry hefty punishments, in my opinion.

I have no religious influences at all, mind you.

Gay marriage... Chuck and Larry are at it again!

Are you insane, that's exactly why marriage is BAD. I bet 70% of females out there ONLY get married for money. That's disgusting, just because you where married to someone doesn't mean you should get half of someones hard earned money.

I'd have to disagree with that 70% thing, but I agree with this so much. I'd get a prenup no matter what and I'd tell that to my fiance if I had one (I tell my girlfriends that, lol).

 

[Recidivism]

I'm not religious and I'd like prostitution to remain illegal, for instance. Abortion isn't illegal. What specific drugs? Marijuana? I'd like that to be illegal too; oddly enough, one of the driving reasons is because the stench is so horrid. I'd like alcohol to be illegal too mainly because it causes a lot of problems and solves none... ranging from sleeping with some ugly chick, to one of the worst... drunk driving. I've seen a lot of drunk drivers... then there's also texting and driving, Angry Birds and driving, etc. They should all carry hefty punishments, in my opinion.

You do realize those laws don't stop anyone. We tried to ban alcohol it made more issues people didn't stop then we had gangs running alcohol all over the place and it was incredibly unsafe.

We are losing the war on drugs and average first time possession of pot will land you more time then a rapist.

Prostitution is safe when its legal and regulated in Nevada they have legal brothels and the places nearby have lower sex crimes, lower std rates and lower crime overall it keeps the girls protected in stripper like environments instead of on the streets hiding from cops if they get abused.


I don't like abortion I think its immoral and disgusting but making it illegal just forces girls to get back alley abortions. I would rather have things safe and regulated then illegal and regulated by criminals.

 

[Valentinas]

How can we make gay marriage Legal? Then where forcing religious institutions against there will, and if we keep it illegal we deprive people of a basic right to marry.

The point is the same thing you bring up for legalizing also hurts others who don't follow.

According to what logic is it a "basic right" to marry? What do you derive this "right" from?

 

[Xier0]

You don't get the point of this thread.

Ah. Alright I'll respond to the last sentence of your topic post if that is what all the rest was talking about.

People do retain the right to do things to themselves that do not affect others. The only example you listed is abortion, which is already legal. Even if it was made illegal, your example would be the opposite of what you are arguing because abortion is not a choice someone makes for their own body, it is a choice they exert over another person by killing them (which, if I'm not mistaken, your point is that governments/religion/other people should not control what you do to your body).

 

[Suburban Gangsta]

Ah. Alright I'll respond to the last sentence of your topic post if that is what all the rest was talking about.

People do retain the right to do things to themselves that do not affect others. The only example you listed is abortion, which is already legal. Even if it was made illegal, your example would be the opposite of what you are arguing because abortion is not a choice someone makes for their own body, it is a choice they exert over another person by killing them (which, if I'm not mistaken, your point is that governments/religion/other people should not control what you do to your body).

Even if it's already legal, I'm fighting on the grounds of why it was illegal in the first place. And that's because of religious influence. Religious people believe it shouldn't be allowed, where as non-religious people believe it should and others just don't give a fuck. My point is...

If everyone has one angle, why can't it be made illegal so...

Those who don't agree? They don't do it
Those who agree? They can do it without worrying about being punished by the law
Those who don't care? They won from the start and still win

 

[Tornstol]

I have nothing against gay marriage or any of the stuff you mentioned, the only thing I don't want is for them to have special rights over us.

 

[Recidivism]

Even if it's already legal, I'm fighting on the grounds of why it was illegal in the first place. And that's because of religious influence. Religious people believe it shouldn't be allowed, where as non-religious people believe it should and others just don't give a fuck. My point is...

If everyone has one angle, why can't it be made illegal so...

Those who don't agree? They don't do it
Those who agree? They can do it without worrying about being punished by the law
Those who don't care? They won from the start and still win

It was not about religion it was about morals huge difference is it ethical to kill another human because you want to keep fucking without condoms hell lets just allow people to kill babies also. The argument was finally settled saying after 10 weeks I believe it is the fetus is considered a baby and it is no longer legal to abort.

It is my opinion after it has a heartbeat it should no longer be allowed to abort people don't realize how an abortion actually works and think its just a few cells its literally a living human being.


The biggest disputes today are not over abortion but are over Liberals spending tax payers money on abortions which is wrong. But liberals won't tell you this they will claim people are trying to outlaw abortions.

Just like gay marriage debates are not over gays should have equal rights in eyes of law but whether or not gay marriage should be part of anti-discrimination laws which will force churches to marry gays. Equal rights would be arguing for better Civil Unions (basically marriage but non religious). Or would be arguing for gay marriage to be legal but not force churches to marry gays and let the churches who do want to marry gays marry them.

 

[Suburban Gangsta]

It was not about religion it was about morals huge difference is it ethical to kill another human because you want to keep fucking without condoms hell lets just allow people to kill babies also. The argument was finally settled saying after 10 weeks I believe it is the fetus is considered a baby and it is no longer legal to abort.

It is my opinion after it has a heartbeat it should no longer be allowed to abort people don't realize how an abortion actually works and think its just a few cells its literally a living human being.


The biggest disputes today are not over abortion but are over Liberals spending tax payers money on abortions which is wrong. But liberals won't tell you this they will claim people are trying to outlaw abortions.

Just like gay marriage debates are not over gays should have equal rights in eyes of law but whether or not gay marriage should be part of anti-discrimination laws which will force churches to marry gays. Equal rights would be arguing for better Civil Unions (basically marriage but non religious). Or would be arguing for gay marriage to be legal but not force churches to marry gays and let the churches who do want to marry gays marry them.

Everything you stated is basically the churches and people, which is exactly what I'm trying to state that laws like these should be legalized if they're sided on popularity. Killing someone is not based on popularity, even a murderer themselves will state murdering should be illegal. There is a HUGE different between murdering a person than to abort a fetus or gay marriage. Gay Marriage is just socially awkward, murdering is not socially wrong, it's psychopathic. There's a fine line between the two and other subjects. You're mixing two things of near things with drastically different reasonings together. Yes, abortion is murdering, yes, killing someone is murdering. The explanation and reasoning behind each is different, if it wasn't, Abortion would be called Murder as well. There would not be a different word for the same thing unless it's another meaning.

 

[Recidivism]

Everything you stated is basically the churches and people, which is exactly what I'm trying to state that laws like these should be legalized if they're sided on popularity. Killing someone is not based on popularity, even a murderer themselves will state murdering should be illegal. There is a HUGE different between murdering a person than to abort a fetus or gay marriage. Gay Marriage is just socially awkward, murdering is not socially wrong, it's psychopathic. There's a fine line between the two and other subjects. You're mixing two things of near things with drastically different reasonings together. Yes, abortion is murdering, yes, killing someone is murdering. The explanation and reasoning behind each is different, if it wasn't, Abortion would be called Murder as well. There would not be a different word for the same thing unless it's another meaning.

Everything I stated is consistent you are special pleading you think different rules apply to others my rule is consistent.

I follow libertarian philosophy on this every action is legal as long as all participants give consent.

Rape would be illegal as you don't want to be raped. As would murder.
Smoking is legal as are all drugs however spiking someones drink is not.

The problem is the fetus cannot give consent to be aborted that is why abortion is a big issue its not black & white its hard to decide what it is.

Gay marriage should be allowed however if a church does not want to marry gays they should be allowed to say no as they do not consent.



On abortion its my opinion when the heart is beating the baby is considered alive & human and therefore should not be aborted some say when the brain beats other say until a baby is months old (outside mother) it has no self-conscious so it should be legal there is no objective way to decide this that is why abortion is a big issue.

 

[NewCode]

Rights are exaggerated way bad imo

 

[lucspender]

if wishes were fishes the world would be an ocean