Vouches = trust wtf?

[Darkgroove]

i believe vouches should only count from staff and apprentices+. and these people have a little button o cick and a form is up on scren about what they have to fill out eg why vouching, when, rick etc etc. untrustworty people get so many vouches these days for nothing -.-

Post != trust

 

[Repentless]

Vouches are a very good measure of trust. It shows that they've participated in trades in the past and didn't scam.

You're saying vouches should only be allowed for valuable trades. How are you supposed to be trusted to participate in a valuable trade if you have no vouches? You've got to start out small.

However, vouches for things like free names shouldn't be allowed.

 

[burny]

But then people will try and do buisness with apprentices+ and such. Also, whats a vouch if you didn't go first? The only people who would be getting vouches are the apprentices and up.

and if you didn't quite get that theres a 100 posts member who is buying something from and apprentice with paypal. The apprentice posts a vouch that says "Vouch for * he bought my * for * he went first LEGIT man" that says absolutely nothing only the person who goes second is actually showing honesty. So why would an apprentice go first with anyone less than them? apprentices would rack up useful vouches and the rest of us would remain the same as leechers.

*Looks up at thread starter* figures its an apprentice.

 

[Skilla]

Just my opinion, but how about fuck vouches altogether?

They just cause problems.

 

[CruZr]

What about my couch, I was a leecher still I think, and I did a stronghold on a lvl 102 with 99 cooking, 99 fletching, 99 fm, with no recoveries or bank pin with like 98m.

And I didn't try anything, that would show that I don't have scamming on my to do list, because that would have been an extremely perfect chance to get a free lvl 102 with a couple 99's and 98m.


but I get where you mean, like I saw a vouch for this guy because he lent him a mask for 24 hours...
Was soemthing like.
"VOUCH! he lent me a mask for 24 hours, VERY TRUSTWORTHY!"


What the hell?

 

[Robzombie179]

What about my couch, I was a leecher still I think, and I did a stronghold on a lvl 102 with 99 cooking, 99 fletching, 99 fm, with no recoveries or bank pin with like 98m.

And I didn't try anything, that would show that I don't have scamming on my to do list, because that would have been an extremely perfect chance to get a free lvl 102 with a couple 99's and 98m.


but I get where you mean, like I saw a vouch for this guy because he lent him a mask for 24 hours...
Was soemthing like.
"VOUCH! he lent me a mask for 24 hours, VERY TRUSTWORTHY!"


What the hell?

HAHA WTF DUDE!?!?!? But I would have to agree with CruZr, vouches CAN be equivalent to trust (in a way), depending on what they are for...

 

[Python]

What is so special about post count.
I have seen new-fags, come and get 600 posts in a matter of days.

Vouches can be equivalent to trust, if you see a vouch is for something shity such as free names, then it doesn't count. Simple as that.

Wheres the suggestion?

 

[ruthless910]

What about my couch, I was a leecher still I think, and I did a stronghold on a lvl 102 with 99 cooking, 99 fletching, 99 fm, with no recoveries or bank pin with like 98m.

And I didn't try anything, that would show that I don't have scamming on my to do list, because that would have been an extremely perfect chance to get a free lvl 102 with a couple 99's and 98m.


but I get where you mean, like I saw a vouch for this guy because he lent him a mask for 24 hours...
Was soemthing like.
"VOUCH! he lent me a mask for 24 hours, VERY TRUSTWORTHY!"


What the hell?

sorry but i just dont believe that, not the fact that a person would scam with that much but the fact that a person would let a leacher get on there acc, not to mention the fact that it had that much money, those stats, and etc and throw in that much money with no bank pin or etc.

As for the vouch thing not everyone puts what the trade/vouch is for they just put trustworthy went first or something like that. Maybe the itrader could come into existence here + category's and u must supply pics of the transaction and etc

 

[RS Greatest]

its up to u to see the vouches they have and judge them on that. if a person has 90% services and 10% trades, what does that look like?

 

[johnty15]

It would help if i understood that. But vouches are a great way to tell trust, aslong as you can verify them and there not for bs like training 2 lvls on a lvl 3... But if someone traded 20m for an account and they when 1st thats a good sign they wont scam you 1m when your buying there pin.

 

[Sephiroth]

Yeah Like me. been here for years/ Look at my vouches on my profile and on my old MM app. All Mods and Ex-Staff. You see thats trust.

 

[lmaoliam]

Agreed. In theory you could of scammed 100 people and Been trust worth to 10 people.

 

[North Face]

Vouches don't necessarily equal trust they are just a certain standard which the members work off of. Technically, no one here is going to be 100% safe other than a select few members. You would tend to trade with someone who is vouched because it shows he/she has done previous trades and completed them safely.

 

[Inventor]

I believe you should only be able to "vouch" if you put yourself at risk of getting scammed, and the other person didn't let you down. Because you're absolutely right, vouching for free stuff is pointless and meaningless.

But, you know what, we allow members to vouch for just about anything they want, so next time someone wants to trade with you and they have a hundred vouches from showing no trust, just turn them down and tell them their vouches are meaningless to you.

And if others want to not use their brain and get scammed by that same member, let them. You can't stop it from happening, sometimes people just need to learn for themselves the hard way or they'll never learn.

I made an announcement about vouching a while ago, I believe it talks about the same thing.

Yeah, very true. It should be more about quality and less about quantity. There has to be a better idea as far as vouching is concerned. I'll think about it a bit.

 

[J a K e Y]

Totally agree with this, doing noob quests doesnt make you trusted at all!

 

[thanatos920]

This topic is stupid and pointless. Officially the only people who are actually trustworthy are staff and MM's even then there have been a couple of MM's who even went bad.

What's my point? Vouches don't mean shit except what you let them mean. Just as rank doesn't mean shit unless you let it.Don't be stupid and trust some idiot with 25 vouches for doing quests/power training on an account with 100M. The quantity of vouches someone has isn't worth a damn, it's simply the quality of them. And it is up to YOU to decide if someones vouches are worth trusting them or not. Nobody on sythe has ever said that it is a rule that someone with X vouches should be trusted etc. No mod ever said that, sythe hasn't said that nobody. Vouches are simply a way of showing someones positive trade transactions plain and simple.

Point blank vouches only mean what you let them mean and you must judge someone on the quality of their vouch vs the quality of the trade you want to partake in with that person. Plain and simple. Either you like their trade history enough to trade with them or you don't

ALSO POST COUNT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT!

Thanatos

 

[Swordsz]

I agree with thenatos 100% Vouches are only good for finding what kind of deals , trades, people that person has worked with and still there is no garantee that they will be trusted after reviewing these.

 

[sirfartsalot]

Indeed i agree with louis i personaly have traded with r2p on 20+ diffrent accasions buying and selling mils over 400m to be exact baught and sold. most people that jon sell 5 pins and a terrible acc and have good amount of vouchs worth nothing, beware of this.

 

[Sephiroth]

You should never go off of just vouches. Do background research on something big. hell even contact staff for their opinions if you think it is deemed necessary. You cant go into it blindly.

Ive been scammed before, and i know now what to do for my Accounts and Monies sake. Background check them. See their vouches? ask the people who vouched them how things went. Don't EVER rush into a deal because the bells about to ring or you gotta go eat or some shit.

There will never be a sure fire no scam market, but by taking precautions we can all severly debunk the scammers out there.

ALWAYS Ask for a PM, and screenshot everything, so that if something does go wrong, you won't be left on the short end of the stick.

 

[I_Will_Kill]

Maybe vouches should only count if there from Staff.