Vouches = trust wtf?

[ruthless910]

Since when does doing easy quests on noob acc's, selling one phone pin which you get money for doing, and other stupid easy things like that make some one trustworthy. Its so anoying seeing people who have like free services posts and etc and do like rune mysteries quest and then getting vouches like omg i trust him with my life, making that person seem like there actually trustworthy, people should not be allowed to use vouches that are meaning less if you havent done a semi big trade, services that the other person actually had things to risk, or completed a big service like a big quest list that actually took more then a hour to complete you shouldnt be allowed to throw out vouches...

Idk if this is right section maybe it deserves to go into rants or something, i was just suggesting cleaning up all these vouching services things going on leading people into believing a person is actually trust worthy when they havent even had a real chance to proove it.

 

[Darkgroove]

More like feedback.

But you're absolutely right. Only staff/Veteran vouches should be legit.

 

[aint_no_saint]

Since when does doing easy quests on noob acc's, selling one phone pin which you get money for doing, and other stupid easy things like that make some one trustworthy. Its so anoying seeing people who have like free services posts and etc and do like rune mysteries quest and then getting vouches like omg i trust him with my life, making that person seem like there actually trustworthy, people should not be allowed to use vouches that are meaning less if you havent done a semi big trade, services that the other person actually had things to risk, or completed a big service like a big quest list that actually took more then a hour to complete you shouldnt be allowed to throw out vouches...

Idk if this is right section maybe it deserves to go into rants or something, i was just suggesting cleaning up all these vouching services things going on leading people into believing a person is actually trust worthy when they havent even had a real chance to proove it.

Ok so like, Your saying... To get a vouch it has to be like.. a 1m+ And if so how are new commers gonna gain trust?

 

[Bad Boy]

Yes your right , but there is no way to prove that your trusted...

Oh and i have an idea about vouches ( i don't know will you understand me , but i will try to explain everything )

In my country is one forum where you can trade your internet money ( like egold , paypal ect ) and after you finish your deal there is pluses and minuses ( + and - ) near your nick name. After you finish your deal and if everything is okay both guys add + and write link to topic and info about trade . So its same like vouches , just better because you cant lose it .
Oh and if a guy scam or something guy can add - and his + will disapear .

 

[Darkgroove]

Yes your right , but there is no way to prove that your trusted...

Oh and i have an idea about vouches ( i don't know will you understand me , but i will try to explain everything )

In my country is one forum where you can trade your internet money ( like egold , paypal ect ) and after you finish your deal there is pluses and minuses ( + and - ) near your nick name. After you finish your deal and if everything is okay both guys add + and write link to topic and info about trade . So its same like vouches , just better because you cant lose it .
Oh and if a guy scam or something guy can add - and his + will disapear .

It's called iTrader.

 

[brianlord]

As many people have said.. you are right about certain vouches being absolutly useless, but what exactly is your suggestion?

 

[Tgump]

I believe you should only be able to "vouch" if you put yourself at risk of getting scammed, and the other person didn't let you down. Because you're absolutely right, vouching for free stuff is pointless and meaningless.

But, you know what, we allow members to vouch for just about anything they want, so next time someone wants to trade with you and they have a hundred vouches from showing no trust, just turn them down and tell them their vouches are meaningless to you.

And if others want to not use their brain and get scammed by that same member, let them. You can't stop it from happening, sometimes people just need to learn for themselves the hard way or they'll never learn.

I made an announcement about vouching a while ago, I believe it talks about the same thing.

Damn it Viper, you stole my opinion

 

[ruthless910]

yes its harder for new people to get vouches if the trade is above 1mill but there are plenty of things that can be done, selling pins, buying pins, mills, etc while going first or etc. Im just saying i see people start up fire capes, questing, and etc services they have alotta nice vouches but unless you go click everyone and look threw every page you dont know what there for. You see them say "i would trust him with my first born child" or something like that and then find out they just did a level 30 account trade or something retarded like that.

The itrader would be nice to use on here, especially if u could go more in deph with it like have sub categorys like mills, services, Junk(that way people can still do there vouches for free training and other untrustworthy stuff) and etc, and then people will know what they are getting into.

 

[Cyberform]

I totally agree. Fake vouches = perm ban maybe?
I am tired of seeing people showing off their vouches and say they are more "trusted". Because of that, I got scammed a few times when I was a leecher. Training is fine but it lets you get a start up. In my opinion, free training should not receive free vouches but just like a pat on your back. I used to do this but I see meaning behind this thread.

 

[kamakazy_kid]

Vouches are the only way to see if the user is truthworthy or not. Otherwise only Mods and admin and Official Middle mans are seen as trustworthy.

 

[ruthless910]

well u got 102 vouches and i didnt look threw them but i wonder if your one of those people im talking about...

If vouches are a way to proove a person is trustworthy or not what is the point of some one doing free services on a lvl 3 like mining essense or other crap that dosent proof how trustworthy a person is?

I havent looked at your vouches but you would expect a person who has 102 vouches to be extreme trustworthy but then to find out they got all those threw free training, questing, or something low like that makes all there vouches mean nothing and making the 2 that i have mean ALOT MORE then there 100+ even though mines were like 4mill and 12mill trades and mm'ed by a trusted firecaper and etc :S

 

[lazy___king]

My opinion is that people should be smart enough to look to other people their vouches if they are going to trade with them. If it are vouches for minor trades or even free trades then that person shouldnt be trusted and people should use a middleman.

 

[Darkgroove]

well u got 102 vouches and i didnt look threw them but i wonder if your one of those people im talking about...

If vouches are a way to proove a person is trustworthy or not what is the point of some one doing free services on a lvl 3 like mining essense or other crap that dosent proof how trustworthy a person is?

I havent looked at your vouches but you would expect a person who has 102 vouches to be extreme trustworthy but then to find out they got all those threw free training, questing, or something low like that makes all there vouches mean nothing and making the 2 that i have mean ALOT MORE then there 100+ even though mines were like 4mill and 12mill trades and mm'ed by a trusted firecaper and etc :S

They are simply a form of feedback. Vouches such as giving free names etc. are just plain stupid ...

I totally agree. Fake vouches = perm ban maybe?
I am tired of seeing people showing off their vouches and say they are more "trusted". Because of that, I got scammed a few times when I was a leecher. Training is fine but it lets you get a start up. In my opinion, free training should not receive free vouches but just like a pat on your back. I used to do this but I see meaning behind this thread.

I've been banning people for having fake vouches, as far as I'm concerned it = automatic permanent ban.

 

[Azza 4556]

I am half and half with this, what do new members do to gain trust is they can't get vouches?

Also, what about people who end up doing all those "big trades" and end up being a big scammer, would they still be able to get a vouch just because they did those trades?

 

[Pshynosis]

Or just don't trust anyone.

 

[Darkgroove]

Or just don't trust anyone.

If nobody trusts anyone, how will trades get done?

 

[Shin]

If nobody trusts anyone, how will trades get done?

They won't, and by doing this said above, the website would just have to appoint people that they believe are remotely trusted.

This would lead to much more chaos I believe, and you should ask other Members opinion about a certain user, before you are to trade them. Also, verify that all their Vouches are true, and none of them are "broken". I have found someone before who had about 30 Vouches, and about 7-8 of them were fake.

Even in using a MiddleMan, or even using an Official MiddleMan, there is always a chance that you may get scammed, depending on the trade it is. This is mainly because ALL RuneScape Accounts may be recovered, and even with Claim & Cancel, people can simply call their banks and stop the transfer.

Whenever you're doing a trade, you're putting yourself at risk, and so those Vouches should be worthy.

In Vouches for Training People's Accounts, I'm am not so certain about getting Vouches. But then again, aren't some people putting themselves at being risk of getting certain items stolen off their Account if they don't have a Bank Pin? I have also trained a level 108 who didn't have Recovery Questions, and I told the person that and had them set new ones. I could have easily taken his Account, but I think that Vouch I received was one worthy as well.

I trained people early on, but then I quit because I noticed that Vouches really mean nothing for me, and training others was merely a waste of time that I need to use for myself.

Choose who you trust, and ask others for those that you don't.

Hopefully this clears some things up. Maybe some shall not.

 

[just un dude]

i was gonna make something like this to hear other ppls opinions on it.

what i think is idiotic is to vouch for someone who went first, that doesn't even show a least bit of trust. i'm an old rsc gp seller myself and always made everyone go first to me, and trust me alot of them were scammers.
vouching for doing a tutorial, making a signature or going first in any trade doesn't show any sign of trust!

 

[Louis]

Vouches are fairly useless these days anyway, only ones from staff/reputable members should be deemed "trustworthy"

 

[I 134/2/24G3 I]

i believe vouches should only count from staff and apprentices+. and these people have a little button o cick and a form is up on scren about what they have to fill out eg why vouching, when, rick etc etc. untrustworty people get so many vouches these days for nothing -.-