Understanding the DNT (Do Not Trade) rank

The DNT system is an alternative to permanent bans on Sythe.org.

Under this new system users who would have previously received a permanent ban for an offence on sythe.org will now generally receive a DNT rank and a temporary ban instead. When the temporary ban expires they will be left with just the DNT rank.

You should not attempt to trade with any DNT user; however, trades that occur offsite are not held to DNT standards. Sythe users who trade with DNT users off-site do so at their own risk and any trade is highly ill advised. We will not be searching for DNT users trading; however, if a Sythe user reports you for trading, you will be disciplined accordingly.



What DNT is:

• DNT is a more severe version of the TWC rank.
• DNT users cannot PM other users.
• DNT users cannot view or post in any market.
• DNT users cannot view or post in any dicing section.
• DNT users cannot display any ranks or miniranks except the DNT rank which they cannot hide.
• DNT users are encouraged to repay any outstanding debts they have and attempt to pardon through a streamlined process.
• DNT users will receive further temporary bans for attempting to trade with ban lengths proportional to how many warnings they have been given.

The logic behind DNT:

• In most parts of the world punishment, restitution (repaying) and protection of others are separated.
• In our case:
  1. A temporary ban is a punishment.
  2. Repayment of others is necessary to rejoin the market (through a pardon).
  3. DNT is for the protection of others.
• Once punishment (ban period) for an offence has been served it is finalized and the punishment is complete.
• DNT is not a punishment, it is for the protection of others.
• After ban period is served the debt becomes a civil debt just like every other legal system.
• Restitution (repayment of the debt) is still required to rejoin the market.
• Serious indictable crimes are still permanently banable.

Reasons for implementing DNT:

• Criminals who use this site will ban evade despite our best efforts to stop them.
• Hardline permanent bans do not result in a better outcome for victims: Either the criminals continue to ban evade or they use another forum entirely, either way they are much less likely to repay under a hardline system.
• DNT encourages people to pardon because they can reintegrate first into the community -- regaining limited access to their account provides an on-going incentive to repay.
• DNT acknowledges that people make mistakes and can change.
• DNT acknowledges that people should not be continually punished for past mistakes; that punishment is finite and once served should not be served again for the same event (double jeopardy)
• DNT allows the community spirit to continue while debts are being repaid.
• DNT means that guests / new users seeing our site for the first time won't be faced with 90% banned users in any random thread.
• DNT means that friend groups are not split up (for example one your friends is banned) thus encouraging overall activity and better community cohesion. This will encourage new users to join and help to grow the site.

 

[Tyler]

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Time To Buy]

How long is the temporary ban supposed to be?

 

[tMoon]

So happy a system like this was finally implemented.

 

[Sept]

Thanks for the clarification, also.. what ttb said.

 

Can't participate in Market discussion as well? and does this include graphics section market, sandbox market etc?
Just so you know some DNT's can pm others.

• Serious indictable crimes are still permanently ban-able.

What defines serious indictable crimes on here?

Glad you could finally put everything in one thread, and clarify things.

 

Thanks for the clarification on that.

 

[Shwag]

This makes a ton more sense now

 

[Bert]

Thanks a lot hadn't really looked into the dnt rank much until now because this is a very clear post and good reasoning behind why the rank was implemented.

 

[Dave]

Thanks for the explanation

 

[FireZ]

Well written and much needed explanation

 

[Admires]

Much needed clarification. We need to integrate DNT members as part of the community and this will aid in doing that.

 

Can't participate in Market discussion as well? and does this include graphics section market, sandbox market etc?
Just so you know some DNT's can pm others.

I've been told there's a bug w/r/t existing/old pre-dnt pms. We'll look into it.

Serious indictable crimes are still permanently ban-able.
What defines serious indictable crimes on here?

Glad you could finally put everything in one thread, and clarify things.

This will be on a case by case basis. Basically anything serious enough to do real jailtime for is permable.

 

[Subsonic GFX]

Thanks for the information Sythe. Really well written.

 

[Aklan]

Seen nothing but positives come from DNT members. As long as they have to clear their debts before pardoning this system looks good to me. Nice thread OP.

 

[Add My Msn]

Good job Sith.

 

[-Ryan]

Thanks for posting this, hopefully this clears some things up for people.

 

How long is the temporary ban supposed to be?

The best way to work that out is to process disputes and get a feel for what adequate punishments are for various offences. If we make hard rules about what length corresponds to what offence it will just end up being unjust.

For example someone who welshes a $200 bet probably shouldn't receive the same ban time as someone who hacks a paypal and steals $200. The cold and calculating aspect of the latter needs to be taken into account.

Just like in real courts: Ban durations will be found and adjusted via doctrine of precedent / processing actual cases. We will take into account the durations listed in the previous / existing rules as well.

 

[Admires]

The best way to work that out is to process disputes and get a feel for what adequate punishments are for various offences. If we make hard rules about what length corresponds to what offence it will just end up being unjust.

For example someone who welshes a $200 bet probably shouldn't receive the same ban time as someone who hacks a paypal and steals $200. The cold and calculating aspect of the latter needs to be taken into account.

Just like in real courts: Ban durations will be found and adjusted via doctrine of precedent / processing actual cases. We will take into account the durations listed in the previous / existing rules as well.

I wholeheartedly like that people who commit lesser crimes get lesser punishments. "The punishment fits the crime".

 

Thanks for the heads up. Is there a mimimum of time till someone is able to get the DNT rank? For example, alot of people who have been banned before 2015/2016 have gotten the DNT rank - but what if someone has been ban evading quite recently, such as in 2015/2016?