The "War" in Iraq

[Gnomey]

Because Dorito is probably too busy to repeat himself and re-refute your arguements, I'll give it a go. I'd also like to know your country of origin (Krypton) For the record before this begins:

What ways dont you agree with me??

I cannot see any possible ways that what I am saying is wrong.
Spit it out, and let me comment.

And just to notify you Dorito, im only 15! And yet can still keep up an conversation with, an perhaps 20+ year old. Dunno, important thing is, that at the age of 15 I know the full story of my country, my people, my religion, and how "good" america is. And im not brainwashed. I live in a free country, were I can do what ever the fuck I want to, but I chose unlike many others to learn the history of my country, people and vice verca.
Unlike you, that still at the age of, who knows, still havent admitted how bad your government has always bin, and how bad your sweet "brave" soldiers are.

And again. The only reason I say "terrorist", is simply because noone of you guys so far, puts the word "terrorist" instead of the US army, or bush.
Once that hapends, I will change "terrorist" to terrorist.

No, you can't keep up a conversation with a 20+ year old. First off, anyone above the age of 10 would become frustrated with the fact your ego is so big that you would try and "brag" about this. Secondly, how poor your grammar is, and lastly, how you don't have any idea what you're talking about. America's first amendement is the right to free speech. Guess what, we can too! What country are you from? How about you open yourself up to a bit of critisism rather than hiding behind your unfactual state of ignorance. Guess what, I'm 16, and I don't bother to bring it up, or especially try to brag about it. I can make an arguement based on real facts, and whether or not I am 10 or 80 years old it doesn't matter.

People in America often say the war is wrong, and we have no cause to go in there. People often say we should leave, etc. What NOBODY says is that the people in the WTC, Flight 93, or the Pentagon were asking for it. You ruin your whole screwed up point by saying this, and I would be curious if the founder of this thread and its supporters would even say this. The claim that Osama is right is just so ignorant I can't stand it. That is just so vain and horrible I can't say anything about it other than just how immature and stupid you are. To top it off you contradct yourself so many times, make statements that are factually wrong (Like it is only Bush that is making the war still go on, then saying it is the American people, then saying we should stay to fix it - which is both contradictary and factually wrong, Congress can take us out whenever they want.) GET YOUR FACTS STRAIT, and some REAL FACTS BEFORE saying something, and don't make them up too. All of what you say is either wrong, unfactual, made up, baseless, poorly spelled, hippocritical and most of all malicious and vindictive.

Every single day the american troops are responsible for more than 500 killings worldwide. And yet america is still crying about what hapend 9/11, even though they are killing the same amount daily.
And even after 9/11, it was the american people who chose Bush as their solution for what is called "terror".
They knew that the "terrorists" would only become stronger if bush was chosen.
There would be more people, in the asian countries suporting the "terrorists", if bush was chosen. They knew how his farther was, and how he was going to rule america. Not even was he chosen the first time, but also the second!

No, we arent running around crying about 9/11. Do you see us coming to your country asking for donations for that or things like Katrina? We send people out from groups like the Red Cross for disaster relief during evens like Katrina, yet we don't expect anything in return. I'd be curious as to what your country of origin is so I can put out hindsight judgement on it. Where does your fact about the 500 civilians each day come from?

And don't talk about our choices as President until you are fully aware of American politics, the choices, and the issues OTHER than Iraq. I'd be willing to bet that until you look up some facts to make yourself sound like you had some clue what was going on during that election, you have no idea what the name of the other candidate was. The only thing that bothers me more than pompous people are ignorant people, and you seem to be both. If you had any clue on the FUNDAMENTALS of the American government, you'd know that the American people recently elected a Congress whos majority has the opposite political views of Bush, and could take us out if they wanted, but they HAVEN'T. Don't talk trash when what you say makes you sound more incompitant than your arguement already makes you sound. On top of that you claim the terrorists have become stronger since Bush came into office. Remind me where Osama is right now? Hiding in some desolate mountain not attacking Americans any more but instead making video tapes or is he walking the streets of Baghdad with the US in flames? Maybe they target your countries because nobody but us had the stones to do anything? I'd rather fight a teddy bear who will take a hit and do nothing but sit there rather than a 6 foot 250 pound wrestler who has already given me one black eye.

Then bush sends 400.000 american soldiers to iraq. I think everybody suports that. But then as soon as he got into iraq, he showed his true self, the self that the american people knew before the war, but yet the rest of the world was about to experience and see.
America was suposed to help iraq, but yet they started the war by ruining and demolishing iraq fully! Schools, hospitals, and who knows! All was bombed and ruined, EVEN THOUGH there were no iraqi soldiers fighting agaisnt america.

You know what, you're right. In countries they don't build hospitals, schools, and "who knows" next to places that Saddam would use like governmental buildings, military buildings, etc. Maybe we should have just gone into the "Terrorist and Saddam district" and only bombed there. Hey everyone, lets make sure to write down that great tip for next time!

Don't forget that when we did target school terrorists have rules against using places like that for organizing. Its an unwritten code. Just because a anti aircraft missle was fired out the window doesn't mean that the place was a threat, it just means they wanted to share! Good thing we gave them one of our bombs to return the favor... It's a good thing we're not bulding new hospitals in schools or your point would be unrealistic. Wait, we are? Uh-oh. It is horrible that civilians are being killed. I wish it didn't happen, but fact is, there isn't much of a way to fix it, nor was it something that only started when we entered the conflict.

Next time we need to learn the terrorists unwritten rules before we attack their public building that may be used for other means. Bad Military minds, bad! Oops, I forgot while I'm being ignorant I have to say that America as a whole came up with the plans to bomb each building. I'm so bad at trying to be a total moron.

The saddam regime did not fight against america, how should they, when america are attacking from above.
So america bombed and ruined the country, which they were suposed to safe!
Now is that a good way of starting this?
And this is not only in iraq, but in all other muslim countries taken over by the american troops.

Now imagine your house being ruined, your child, wife or perhaps people who you know being killed around you, for no reason! And when you ask why, they simply say "they were terrorists".
You know who killed your friends and familly, and yet those people are demanding of you to help them out.
Would you help the the people out who the day before ruined your country and killed the people you loved?
Ofcourse you wouldnt, instead, anyone who dares to fight against those people, you would suport.
In this case, that person who dares to fight against america is Osama Bin Laden.
And now america and the wester countries are going to run out of the country, in the middle of the war!!!
THAT IS WHAT I HATE MOST! THEY STARTED THIS WAR, AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO END IT!!!!!!!

I know that he is killing "civilians" all though they arent in my opionion.

Gah, you're so right! Once again we were so ignorant, and when we went in to save a country from a horrible dictator who killed over 300,000 of his own people, ruled with a reign of fear, and hand no intent on stopping, we accidentally turned someone who had the same name, same appearance, and same record of cruelty to the government that replaced him. Gosh, we weren't supposed to catch and turn over Saddam Hussein. I feel like such a failure.

And wow! I almost forgot about all of those other countries we secretly took over! Thanks for reminding me of all those other countries we control but for some reason never listen to us! What would I do without you?

"Now imagine your house being ruined, your child, wife or perhaps people who you know being killed around you, for no reason! And when you ask why, they simply say "they were terrorists"."

This sounds a lot like what most Iraqis were complaining about when Saddam lead them, except the reason under his regime was "They spoke out against Saddam" or "How are we supposed to compete with those before us if we can't keep our civilians per day quota?"

"You know who killed your friends and familly, and yet those people are demanding of you to help them out."

Whew, you're right. Maybe we should just make bullets that only kill terrorists and not civilians when someone misses or mistakes the guy shooting a michine gun at him as a terrorist/hostile target! Our soldiers are not told to intentionally kill citizens for the hell of it. It is the crazy suicide bombers who kill their own people, and were doing it a lot more before we got involved. But the bullets that would only kill bad people and not even hurt civilians would be a great idea! You have so many! You know, you should be an inventor when you grow up, before taking the job as professional idiot.

"Would you help the the people out who the day before ruined your country and killed the people you loved?"

Good thing Saddam just had the rest of the family killed to so he wouldn't have to ask. Maybe we should try that?

"Of course you wouldnt, instead, anyone who dares to fight against those people, you would suport."

Ohhhhh! From your earler statements I thought they supported us becayse otherwise we'd hurt them, because we were replacing a cruel dictator with a democratic government! Glad you clarified.

"In this case, that person who dares to fight against america is Osama Bin Laden."

You're right. We invaded Iraq far before 9/11. He was just fighting back, even though you've been trying to say that Iraq and Osama have not been related throughout your arguement. When they said they were killing us for "Allah" they really meant the freedom of Iraq from people that remove dictators. I wonder where I can get my crazy people to English translator fixed.

"And now america and the wester countries are going to run out of the country, in the middle of the war!!!
THAT IS WHAT I HATE MOST! THEY STARTED THIS WAR, AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO END IT!!!!!!!"

So far the US has stayed in there to finish fixing it. Its the democrats and whiners like you that are causing the need for us to go. I say you break it you buy it. Even if it was cracked and falling apart before, we took out the final touches and we need to finish it, period. Maybe start putting in some constructive current ideas instead of sitting in your ignorant state of hindsight up on your pedistal? Hindsight is 20/20, so looking back is cowardly, not intelligent. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE WHAT IS CAUSING COUNTRIES TO PULL OUT. IF YOU WANT IT FIXED, STOP YOUR BASELESS BITCHING.

"I know that he is killing "civilians" all though they arent in my opionion."

I REALLY want to know which country you come from so I can check out why your schools teach you that a) By World TRADE Center they actually meant World Congregation of People For Killing Everyone In The Middle East b) How your timeline can be so fucked up to think he was responding to something we did (Keep in mind this all started with ISLAM going on the attack in the middle ages, also known as the "First Wave" and finally being stopped in France, Christianity later went on the attack in the Crusades in the "Second wave", and historians debate what events make up the third and according to some fourth wave). We went in there AFTER 9/11. He wasnt responding to anything, nor was that his point. Him and his crazy radicals were doing it for ALLAH not IRAQ. Get a brain or a muzzle if you can't understand this.

I know that he is killing "civilians" all though they arent in my opionion.

For him Osama Bin Laden to kill civilians, makes him a terrorist.
But for america and bush to kill muslim civilians, does not make them terrorist?

That dosent sound right! Therefor I do not look at Osama Bin Laden as an terrorist.

You're right! When Osama attacked the World Trade Center for Iraq (not Allah), he meant to kill the 0 miliarty personel in a Civilian building! He wasn't targeting citizens for the purpose of instilling fear, they were just caught accidentally in the crossfire. It is both saddening and wasteful that civilians do die, but again, it is not the purpose of the person that is firing (at least in terms of the Americans) to kill them. The suicide bombers, people who send their children into the middle of the road to stop the US Hummers, and Saddam himself have that intent.

I'm not sure what makes me more sick; The fact that you are trying to say that Osama was fighting to pay back the US for invading when we attacked after 9/11, that assuming your timeline was right that he was doing it for that reason and not for Allah, that you are trying to say the people in the WTC should have been killed, the fact that you honestly believe this, or how many times you contradict yourself. I think ts saying Osama was right, but all of it is just disgusting.

For him Osama Bin Laden to kill civilians, makes him a terrorist.
But for america and bush to kill muslim civilians, does not make them terrorist?

That dosent sound right! Therefor I do not look at Osama Bin Laden as an terrorist.
If the rest of the world, and looked as bush and who ever suports him, as terrorists, I would call Bin Laden for an terrorist aswell.
But when noone looks at bush and the americans suporting him, as terrorists, why the hell should I look at Bin Laden as an terrorist.

This is an war! Civilians die! America are killing civilians all over the world eveyr single day. Osama is killing civilians in america, lets say once every 5 years.
And yet his the one being called a terrorist, rather than bush and his suporters.

Bin Laden is only giving back to america what they are giving to the muslim countries every single day! His impact to america though, cannot even be compared to the impact america is doing to the muslim countries every single day.

So for some one to, cry over 9/11, I simply find pathetic!
I am sorry for the people who died, but thats what hapends in a war!
And those same "civilians" chose bush twice!! Only a small percentage of the american people, do not suport bush.
I know that there are moe who dont like him, but that isnt because of what his doing to the muslim countries, but because they want their sweet little soldiers back home to safety.

So only an small percentage of the american people, trully hates bush, and I suggest that those people should move out of the country, since they are surounded with danger. They have the money to do it for shure.

I am trully sorry for those "civilians" who died in 9/11, but I am also sorry for the civilians who are being killed every single day world wide, by the american soldiers.

Now 95% of americans, are only sorry for those who died in 9/11, but dont even think about how many their government and perhaps them selfs are responsible for every single day.

I dont know really, but this is currently how I think about this, and I doubt it will change.

And even before bush and his farther, america were responsibel for over 300.000 deaths in hiroshima and nagasaki.

And yet, if any other counry wants to produce nuclear weopens, they wont allow it, even though they are the only ones who ahve ever used a nuclear weopen in the history of mankind!!

America should be the last country to be asked for permission for production of nuclear weopen.
2 atomic bombs should be thrown into america, and 300.000 deaths, before they can even give permission to any other country in the world to produce nuclear weopens.

I dont know really. The world is a complicated thing these days.
I wish we could all just live together without having to kill each other.

For him Osama Bin Laden to kill civilians, makes him a terrorist.
But for america and bush to kill muslim civilians, does not make them terrorist?

That dosent sound right! Therefor I do not look at Osama Bin Laden as an terrorist.
If the rest of the world, and looked as bush and who ever suports him, as terrorists, I would call Bin Laden for an terrorist aswell.
But when noone looks at bush and the americans suporting him, as terrorists, why the hell should I look at Bin Laden as an terrorist.

Osama TARGETED CIVILIANS. It was his INTENT to kill them. If one is killed, it isn't because we sent our military into Iraq for target practise, it is crossfire from the people getting shot at by their radical fellow countrymen. Want to know something else we don't do? Send young little girls into the middle of the road with a gun in the hopes that the people driving the RV will stop so we can catch them unawares. But hey, I guess thats part of being a total idiot.

This is an war! Civilians die! America are killing civilians all over the world eveyr single day. Osama is killing civilians in america, lets say once every 5 years.
And yet his the one being called a terrorist, rather than bush and his suporters.

Bin Laden is only giving back to america what they are giving to the muslim countries every single day! His impact to america though, cannot even be compared to the impact america is doing to the muslim countries every single day.

Maybe if I type this in all caps you will get it" HE ATTACKED FIRST. WHEN HE ATTACKED IT WASN'T FOR THE REASONS YOU CLAIM. IT WAS RELIGIOUS, NOT A MILITARY STRATEGY. HE *TARGETED* CIVILIANS. THE US ISN'T JUST TOO CHEAP TO UPGRADE THEIR WEAPONS TRAINING THAT WHEN WE GO IN THERE IT IS TO HARM CIVILIANS, THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN PREVENT THEM FROM BEING CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE OR MISTAKEN AS A HOSTILE TARGET. WHEN YOU SAY "THIS IS A WAR. CIVILIANS DIE." YOU ARE RIGHT ON. CALLING IT PAYBACK IS SIMPLY DISRESPECTFUL TO THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES. STOP REPEATING YOURSELF.

So for some one to, cry over 9/11, I simply find pathetic!
I am sorry for the people who died, but thats what hapends in a war!
And those same "civilians" chose bush twice!! Only a small percentage of the american people, do not suport bush.
I know that there are moe who dont like him, but that isnt because of what his doing to the muslim countries, but because they want their sweet little soldiers back home to safety.

Oh my God. Just when I thought you couldn't sound more ignorant and hippocritical to America or in general, BAM here you go.

The people who died in there chose Bush once, before there was even talk of war, because we didn't plan on going in there until WE WERE ATTACKED. THey couldn't elect him the second time because they weren't alive. If you knew the basic operations of the American system, you would know that we have checks and balances as a major part of our governement. 1/3 of our government, the Legislative brach, and more specifically Congress, could have taken us out of Iraq at any time.

Also against what you said (and also demonstated by this thread itself) so many people ignorantly grouped all Replublicans with Bush that we have a DEMOCRATIC Congress, which to someone with such a little clue about what that means can be simply and generally explained as people whose stance on the war in Iraq is the opposite of Bush's. But we haven't left because it would be wrong. Again, I go back to y example, if you break it, you buy it. Even is it was already falling apart, stained and on the brink of collapsing all by itself, we need to finish what we started. You even mentioned this earlier, yet you are complaining about the fact we're still there. STOP being a hippocrit, STOP contradicting yourself, and STOP MAKING STUFF UP. We don't say "Oh, 9/11 whenever anyone from the UN objects to our presence there." We are NOT CRYING ABOUT IT. What we are doing (and pretty much everyone other than you) is acting like competant people and not saying the people on Flight 93 or the WTC most of all, but also the Pentagon, deserved it! Show me some person (even if its not someone fro the US) that says the citizens in Iraq "deserved it" and maybe I won't be so upset by what you're saying. But that is just SO spiteful I can't believe you not only believe it, but even further think you're right.

And just for the record, when you say that most americans support Bush, it just shows how you have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

So only an small percentage of the american people, trully hates bush, and I suggest that those people should move out of the country, since they are surounded with danger. They have the money to do it for shure.

Oh, thats right. Because our economy kicks your economies ass as a whole, everyone in America is rich! veryone can afford to move whereever they want, give up their jobs, move to another country, and pick right back up from there. And they are in so much danger because there have been a ton more attacks ever since we invaded Iraq. Wait, there haven't been ANY? Yay for more wrong facts!

I am trully sorry for those "civilians" who died in 9/11, but I am also sorry for the civilians who are being killed every single day world wide, by the american soldiers.

You haven't said one word so far to sound like it. Instead of contradicting myself through the whole post, and then trying to make it all better with one sentence in the middle, I have actually not said that the civilians in Iraq were asking for it. THATS the way to do it. Instead I just refute your heartless nonsense, agree that civilians being killed is wrong, but unfortunatly impossible to avoid. (I'll save you the time to respond only to this sentence by saying Yes, we could have not gone into Iraq and avoided it, and then my responce with: but then again, many would still be dying at the hands of Saddam, no nothing but the fact that before we came in the civlians were intentionally killed as opposed to now when its an unfortunate truth that soldiers aren't always perfect with who gets hit and who doesn't.)

Now 95% of americans, are only sorry for those who died in 9/11, but dont even think about how many their government and perhaps them selfs are responsible for every single day.

I dont know really, but this is currently how I think about this, and I doubt it will change.

Many Americans dislike the war in Iraq, and its a lot bigger than 5% of them. Stop making up facts.

Thanks for clarifying, but its obvious you don't know, and your opinion has changed, probably at least 5 times throughout your arguement.

And even before bush and his farther, america were responsibel for over 300.000 deaths in hiroshima and nagasaki.

Well, after pointing out that it wasn't either Bush who were responsible for the nuking of either, and it was used to end a War we got involved in after JAPAN attacked us FIRST at an unsuspecting military base in Pearl Harbor when we were Neutral, you are saying we had no right to nuke someone that on top of all that allied themselves who were responsible for the Holocaust, which is pretty self explainitory... unless by your twisted logic the mentally hanicapped were asking for it when they didn't understand, the gypsies deserved it because of the way they ran their lives, and the Jews finally applied to the "Been descriminated against for thousands of years, thrown out of many countries, and worked as slaves Rule". That doesn't sound right to me...

And yet, if any other counry wants to produce nuclear weopens, they wont allow it, even though they are the only ones who ahve ever used a nuclear weopen in the history of mankind!!

Whew! Good point, nobody but the US has nuclear weapons. Wait, other countries do? The whole problem with the Cold War? Looks like another wrong statment on your part.

We should let all unstable countries that support terrorism produce nuclear weapons. How unfair of us! Just because they lack good judgement or a responsible, sensible government doesn't mean they shouldn't have ultimate distructive power.

America should be the last country to be asked for permission for production of nuclear weopen.
2 atomic bombs should be thrown into america, and 300.000 deaths, before they can even give permission to any other country in the world to produce nuclear weopens.

Am I reading this right? Now you want to have Americans killed because we developed a weapon against people who attacked us first and allied themselves with the people responsible for the largest organized genocide within the last several hundred years (If not all of time)? You are such a fool.

I dont know really. The world is a complicated thing these days.
I wish we could all just live together without having to kill each other.

Wow, you say that like when people talk about "World Peace" it doesn't mean exactly that. The day a dictator doesn't kill off his people for no good reason maybe that can come into play. Until then, I guess its another one of your contradictions when you think that America should both be nuked and terrorist attacks like 9/11 are justified.

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1.What is it with sources and you. That is something everyone knows.
If it wasent for americans invading other countries, iraqi people and afghani wouldnt be dying! The so called terrorists are fighting against america.
If there were no troops, there would be no people to suport them, if there arent any to suport them, there would be no deaths.
Im not saying that american soldiers are directly killing 500 people a day, but that they are responsible! I explained why above.

If they attacked first, how could they be fighting against America? And sources are a great way of keeping people like you from BSing facts for the purposes of trying to inflate your null point. 0 x 100 is 0 buddy, no matter what you make up you can't make a wrong idea right with 100 fake facts.

3. "Terrorists" are getting stronger because more and more people are suporting them, after seing what bush and his troops are doing to their country and family.
The people knew it the first time, after having seen his farther, and bush him self speak about it. And they for shure knew it the second time.

That would be a valid point, except remind me when the terrorists attacked again because of this increased support after we went into Iraq? None? Oopsie. Where did the attacks increase? In places where they chose to not go in? Uh-oh, seems you're wrong again.

4. Back to the source thign eh. What do you expect of an source?
Some one saying, that america might have known how bush would be as?
What kind of source is it you want! There is no source! Its not a fact!
America knew how bush was before he was elected the first time, after having seen his farther, and bush him self speak.
And they elected him the second time, after knowing how he was 100%.

For having put in all caps that we shouldn't leave now that we have started in there, you sure are being contradictory. Of course we knew Bush would keep us in Iraq, because its the right thing to do and we knew he'd do it!

6. You were suposed, but never did! Its not facts out of the air, its something everyone knows. Wouldnt I know whats hapening in Iraq? The whole world knows!

Why would the iraqi people bomb some helping soldiers, whos intentions were aperantly good? They werent helping! Some fought them becuase of what they were doing to the country and people. Why the hell would some one fight without any reason at all. And again, if the us troops werent in iraq, those people fighting them would not have to fight them, meaning that the small percantage of ruins in iraq wouldnt have bin from them.
And dont even mix Islam with terrorists! People who claim they are doing it for islam, and that islam sais to do so in iraq, are simply morons.
Especially in Iraq, where religion has no role these days.
Killing some one does not make your holy, wether it is for Islam or not.
So learn about the religion before u speak.
The "terrorists" are only killing the "civilian people" becuase of the fact that they are helping the american troops. Those same soldiers who ruined iraq and killed and tortured the people.

Of course, we did nothing. Thats why they have a constitution, Saddam is in a body bag, and the only thing stopping a fully working government is Shiites and Sunnis and groups not being able to agree and Iraqis assasinating (and trying to) officials. But hey, we should do better than that.

Maybe the people fighting the soldiers are the same nuts who were killing the people in car bombs or Saddam before we even started. Why would someone fight someone without any reason at all? Maybe you should ask your buddy Osama who attacked us unprovoked that.

"And dont even mix Islam with terrorists!"

Correct, not all people who believe in Islam were terrorists. The people in 9/11 were all Islamic though.

"People who claim they are doing it for islam, and that islam sais to do so in iraq, are simply morons."

Tell that to the guy that you so support who says that dying for Allah is just, and that the people who killed themselves in 9/11 were doing just that your point there. It seems he disagrees.

"Especially in Iraq, where religion has no role these days."

This is just so wrong I won't even start. I will giev you credit, I did actually lol.

"Killing some one does not make your holy, wether it is for Islam or not."

No wonder so many people disagree of the Radical Islamic terrorist cells!

"Making up false facts, being insensitive to those who died, and acting like you know what you're talking about when you really have no clue makes you a total fool."

Oops, that was me.

Your not building anything! The iraqi people are the ones building! Not your soldiers! And yet the troops were the same people who bombed those hospitals and buildings.
The old hospitals and schools, were way better. Thats yet another thing that any seing person would know. The old hospitals had everything they needed, and the iraqi students were getting the best grades worldwide at that time.
Give me YOUR source that sais, the old iraqi hospital and schools were wors than the current.

The Iraqi people are building? Could it be a working governement that is telling them to build? I smell progressssssss! Our soldiers, despite the fact they aren't there to build, are building there. I can find plenty of credible news souces to back that up.

Thats right, old out of date hospitals and equipment work way better than new stuff. Why bother researching things like Advil when we could just bleed people like they used to? New stuff is way worse than old stuff. My source? LOGIC. Something you appearantly don't posess. And where does that fact that Iraqi students were getting the best grades at the time come from?

You are not giving food or anything to the people, its their own food.
And what you call drink? Have you gived them clean water?
The people are drinking the most dirty water, I know it, I was there, and it wasent just were I was, but where ever I went, you would need to boil it.
You would barely have money for food. And give me YOUR source that sais, americans are providing with clean water and proper food to the people.

How selfish of us! We were too busy sending it to sub-saharan Africa. Beyond removing a cruel dictator, creating peace, and establishing a new government, we really need to work harder on that water! How annoying it must be to have to boil it!

You are not rebuilding the government. Is handing over the government in Iraq to shiits a good thing? What you call the closed cage in Bagdad, where the sunni area in bagdad are caged, and have no acces to the outside world.
Under the saddam regime, kurds/shiits and sunnis would have the same rights!
Now when shiits are ruling, sunnis cannot decide anything at all, and are treaten very badly.

Isn't that the problem? That the Sunnis and the Shiites can't agree on structure and policies? I don't see us trying to send American people over to rule their government, so saying that we are trying to keep the power is incorrect.

Your destroying the country by doing what your doing! By torturing the people, and then claiming they are terrorists. By arresting people. By shooting at people. And dont even ask for a source. this is the clearest fact of the war. Everybody knows the prisoners are being tortured, killed, and being treated badly. If u insist on moving proves, just go to youtube, and you´ll see, the nice american soldiers beatin the people, shooting at civilians in the streets, and making childrens fight each other for money, to buy FOOD, which you claim america is providing for them.
Nothing was rebuild by the US! Only the iraqis are rebuilding, so dont come up wiht such lie.

Torturing and killing people... hmm, I almost forgot what Saddam was doing. Wasn't it... handing out free Kittens? Oops, no, it was torturing and killing people. Darn.

There are always examples of bad soldiers, we can't ensure every single one is doing everything they should. But considering there are a number of soldiers who have been brought back to America, tried, and some even sentenced to the death penalty for things like rape, I'd say we're doing pretty good at weeding them out.

The US Soldiers are doing a bit with rebulding. Many do lend a hand. However, many of them have that annoying inconvieience of keeping the peace and fighting hostiles that pulls them away. Too bad!

7. This is an factor that you dont know a thing about. I lived under the Saddam regime! I know how it was!

Saddam would treat who ever listened to him and obeyed him nicely.
Who ever did NOT listen to him, would be killed.

Wait a minute...

Dunno, important thing is, that at the age of 15 I know the full story of my country, my people, my religion, and how "good" america is. And im not brainwashed. I live in a free country, were I can do what ever the fuck I want to.

Great! I'm glad you now appreciate the ability to speak freely. Well, *tries to not blush*, you're welcome!

7. This is an factor that you dont know a thing about. I lived under the Saddam regime! I know how it was!

Saddam would treat who ever listened to him and obeyed him nicely.
Who ever did NOT listen to him, would be killed.
But why not listen to him, when what he trully said was the best for the iraqi people. The only people who had the right not to obey him was the kurds in the north.
In the early days of the saddam regime, Saddam started by talking to the kurdish generals, about border lines between Kurdistan and Iraq.
As the only country in the world! He letted the kurds speak their own language, and have their own country, unlike turkey and many other countries.
Problem was that, Saddam believed the border should be behind the city of Kerkuk, but the Kurdish people believed that the border should be outside the city of Kerkuk.
The specific city had much oil under it, which was why Saddam was interested in it, but truth was that 80% of the porpulation was kurds, and only 20% arabs. Yet Saddam wanted that city, and the Kurdish general refused to give it to him. And so the conflict between the Saddam Regime and the Kurdish general (Peshmergas) began. But even under that war, Saddam treated the kurds who did hot take part of the conflict nicely, but only those that helped the Kurdish generals badly.

And the other 300,000+ people he killed he gave a free teddy bear to before killing them! What a nice guy. You know, for saying we're all about oil, your hero against free speech sure liked it enough to put it above those Kurds he treated so nice.

Everything else is repetative that you have stated so I won't continue, other than this:

Iran do not have any terrorist groups at all!!!! Give me YOUR source, stating that there is 99% chance it would be thrown i the US.

Both the United Nations and The Iranian Leader seem to be pretty credible sources to back up that fact. Maybe not a 99% chance it will happen, but certainly lots of threats and potential to do it.

You dont know anything about your government, or sweet little brave soldiers. Or the Saddam regime, or Iran, or while we are there the whole middle east, why not the world.

Says the kid who has no idea how the American government works, let alone what the difference between "fact" and "what comes out of your ass" is.

Bottom line, when you can get a consitant opinion, tell us which country you come from (you hint that its Iraq, but it is contradicted to much to make sense, so flat out tell me), don't make up facts, and stop repeating yourself, let me know.

 

[Krypton6]

JUST SPEND OVER 4 HOURS WRITING, AND THE PAGE JUST BACKSTAGED, AINT GOING TO COMMENT ANYMORE THAN THE FOLLOWING.

As I´ve said, you dont know A THING ABOUT IRAQ, ITS HISTORY, ITS WARS, ISLAM, THE MIDDLE EAST.

THE MEDIA OF YOUR COUNTRY IS FILLING YOU WITH DIRT AND A FAKE BUT WONDERFULL IMAGE OF YOUR SOLDIERS.
I´VE BIN IN IRAQ AND SEEN HOW THEY ARE.
JUST GO TO BLOODY YOUTUBE AND YOU´LL SEE TONS OF VIDEOS MADE BY THE BRAVE SOLDIERS, MAKING KIDS FIGHT EACH OTHER, AND VICE VERCA.

SAME WAY YOU BELIVE THAT I DONT KNOW A THING ABOUT THE AMERICAN SYSTEM AND GOVERNMENT, YOU DONT KNOW A SHIT ABOUT WHATS HAPENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

ONCE YOU ADMIT THAT BUSH IS AS BAD AS BIN LADEN, I WILL ADMIT THAT BIN LADEN IS BAD.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST - ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT BIN LADEN IS DOING
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY IT HAS! DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM? HAVE YOU READ THE QURAN?
ONLY BECAUSE BIN LADEN SAIS IT HAS TO DO WITH ISLAM, DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.
LEARN THE BLOODY RELIGION, AND WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT, BEFORE YOU SAY THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN IS FOLLOWER OF IT

BUSH IS NO LESS THAN OSAMA, IF NOT WORS.

AND WHAT IS IT ABOUT FACTS AND YOU! WHO WROTE YOUR FACTS? AMERICANS DID AND ITS SUPORTERS DID! I DONT BELIEVE ON EVERYTHING AN AMERICAN OR ITS SUPORTERS SAIS.
THE STUFF IM TELLING YOU IS FACTS FROM WHERE I COME FROM, NOT AMERICAN FACTS. ITS WRITTEN BY MY PEOPLE, BY THE ASIAN PORPULATION, AND NOT THE WESTERN.

AND AT THE END, FACTS ARE WRITTEN BY PEOPLE, NOT BUY SOME ALL KNOWING CREATURE.
YOUR FACTS ARE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE AMERICANS AND ITS SUPORTERS, MINE ARE FROM THE ASIAN PORPULATION AND NOT LEAST THE MIDDLE EAST.
SO STOP YOUR FACT BULLSHIT, YOU IDIOT.

I MIGHT POST AN RESPOND AT SOME POINT, WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT AGAIN, AND GOT THE TIME TO DO IT.

 

[dr.money]

i hate the iraqy war and i hate all wars

 

[paladen]

Bomb it, I think its to messed up over that certain place to fix it anymore. Either way the war is taking to big of a toll anymore, either bomb it or wipe it clean with a very large amount of soldiers.

 

[Rahul]

We're liberating Iraq so we can get oil. If we don't have oil then what? Basically everything in this world runs on oil.

 

[Krypton6]

Rahul your getting near the truth.
Nearly all the oil in the world comes from the muslim countries and the middle east. Now the muslim porpulation hates america for what their soldiers are behaving like.
America has invaded nearly all of the muslim countries, in the way of suporting an small amount of people, and by suport I mean suporting in every single way, til at the end, those people become the leader of the country.
America thereby has the government of the massive oil production countries allied to them selfs, meaning that they will not have to be afraid of having their oil recources reduced.
Now Iraq as the second largest oil country in the world, was and has always bin kind of against america and how they are and have bin behaving, and therefor the country was invaded, and now the current government is shiit who are allied to the americans. But since the americans arent suporting these shiits the same way they suport the leaders in for example saudi arabia and dubai, meaning that this government wont lead for long after america has retreated.
Not only because of the oil, but who ever turns against america they want out, not because that country wants to fight against america, but simply because they dont suport america.
Now its irans turn.
All this will eventually stop at some point though, and perhaps they will get back what they have done to the world, perhaps same as Japan, who are not allowed to have an millitary.

Paledan your idiot. How can you simply say BOMB IT.
People are living there! Doing the same thign to iraq as what you have done to japan will increase the attacks on america dramatically.
Its people like you who are creating this bad rpeutation for america, its people like you who should be bombed and nuked.

And Rahul is one of those who anderstands it, and sees part of the truth, unlike you, your idiot.

America started this war, and yet nothing new has hapend since the start of the war. The people are still being tortured and killed BY ATHE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, and basically nothing has hapend. I know that there are many good soldiers in iraq aswell, but there are aloooot of bad soldiers aswell.

YOU STARTED THIS WAR, AND YOU HAVE TO END IT! NO TURNING BACK!!

 

[Dorito]

Rahul your getting near the truth.
Nearly all the oil in the world comes from the muslim countries and the middle east. Now the muslim porpulation hates america for what their soldiers are behaving like.

Wrong, once again. Around 50% of the worlds oil comes from the mideast countries, that is hardly "near all the oil".

It's "population", and they hate us? Once again, your opinions, or in other words, made up facts just to try and make you look right. There is a HUGE percentage of Muslims that are for the US and FOR WHAT OUR SOLDIERS are behaving like.

America has invaded nearly all of the muslim countries, in the way of suporting an small amount of people, and by suport I mean suporting in every single way, til at the end, those people become the leader of the country.

Invaded nearly all? We haven't invaded any country, we went there to stop the terrorist threats, and the bomb threats that Iraq and Iran, who at the time had nuclear weapons of mass destruction that were giving to us. Would you trust a country like Iran or Iraq with that kind of power? I doubt it.

Secondly, the US has done nothing more than build up a government, OF IRAQ'S OWN PEOPLE. How are we taking over? We do not give them laws they must pass or anything of the sort.

America thereby has the government of the massive oil production countries allied to them selfs, meaning that they will not have to be afraid of having their oil recources reduced.

We have the government, too bad we don't. We have somewhat control over it, but not in a way that we can make the country do whatever we want. We are still in the process of helping them build up a strong government to rule the country, and we are only aiding them in the process, not taking away or cheating them of anything.

Their oil resources reduced? Here we go again, people say we are doing it to get oil. THEN WHY ARE WE STILL PAYING FULL PRICE, IF NOT HIGHER FOR EACH BARREL OF OIL WE RECEIVE. Good point, think a little longer next time.

Now Iraq as the second largest oil country in the world, was and has always bin kind of against america and how they are and have bin behaving, and therefor the country was invaded, and now the current government is shiit who are allied to the americans. But since the americans arent suporting these shiits the same way they suport the leaders in for example saudi arabia and dubai, meaning that this government wont lead for long after america has retreated.

First, Iraq isn't even in the top 10 of exporting countries for oil, Iran is ranked 4th.

Secondly, Iran and Iraq hold the 3rd and 4th ranked spots for the greatest oil reserves in the world. Saudi Arabia still has more than Iran and Iraq combined, and Canada ranks 2nd. Get at least those facts right.

You are also wrong about they have always been against us. The Iraqis themselves were never ALWAYS AGAINST US. They had a dictator that ruled the land and considering the US was looking to take him out of power, OF COURSE he had a hatred for the US.

Like I said above, they are still in the process, the US plans to give them a government that WILL last long after they leave.

Not only because of the oil, but who ever turns against america they want out, not because that country wants to fight against america, but simply because they dont suport america.

That statement doesn't even make complete sense, and you are wrong again. You act like the US is forcing countries to support it, when they are clearly not, if a country doesn't support the US or be an ally with them, that is there choice and we will not do anything against them.

Now its irans turn.
All this will eventually stop at some point though, and perhaps they will get back what they have done to the world, perhaps same as Japan, who are not allowed to have an millitary.

What? Japan isn't allowed to have a military? Where did you get that one? Considering they have a military of a little over 300,000 people, I wouldn't call that nonexistent...

Paledan your idiot. How can you simply say BOMB IT.
People are living there! Doing the same thign to iraq as what you have done to japan will increase the attacks on america dramatically.
Its people like you who are creating this bad rpeutation for america, its people like you who should be bombed and nuked.

Nothing to really comment on that one considering it wasn't aimed at me. I don't agree with just bombing it as there is progress being made.

And Rahul is one of those who anderstands it, and sees part of the truth, unlike you, your idiot.

You mean the only other person who actually agrees with you? That doesn't mean he "sees the light" in a sense. Just because people don't agree with you, it doesn't make them idiots.

America started this war, and yet nothing new has hapend since the start of the war. The people are still being tortured and killed BY ATHE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, and basically nothing has hapend. I know that there are many good soldiers in iraq aswell, but there are aloooot of bad soldiers aswell.

YOU STARTED THIS WAR, AND YOU HAVE TO END IT! NO TURNING BACK!!

When have we looked like we are turning back? We aren't. We started it, and we will end it.

Nothing new has happened since the start of the war? A dictator who killed and tortured people for fun was taken out of power. A government system has been started and will continue to be worked on. New schools and hospitals are being built to help the citizens. Fresh water and food are being sent there and handed out daily.

You're right, no progress is being made for the better.

I'll leave you there.

 

[Krypton6]

"Wrong, once again. Around 50% of the worlds oil comes from the mideast countries, that is hardly "near all the oil".

It's "population", and they hate us? Once again, your opinions, or in other words, made up facts just to try and make you look right. There is a HUGE percentage of Muslims that are for the US and FOR WHAT OUR SOLDIERS are behaving like"


Lmao, get your facts right your moron.

The top three oil producing countries are Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States. About 80% of the world's oil are located in the Middle East, with 62.5% coming from the Arab 5: Saudi Arabia (12.5%), UAE, Iraq, Qatar and Kuwait. So without the middle east the world would not be the world as we know it.

"It's "population", and they hate us? Once again, your opinions, or in other words, made up facts just to try and make you look right. There is a HUGE percentage of Muslims that are for the US and FOR WHAT OUR SOLDIERS are behaving like"

SOURCE? Its funny. I´ve never spoken to anyone suporting the american soldiers behaver in the middle east.
But ofcourse you´ve bin there aswell, so who am I to say it eh?

"Invaded nearly all? We haven't invaded any country, we went there to stop the terrorist threats, and the bomb threats that Iraq and Iran, who at the time had nuclear weapons of mass destruction that were giving to us. Would you trust a country like Iran or Iraq with that kind of power? I doubt it."

Iraq did not at 1 single point thread america, nor did they ever have nuclear weopens. This is something that even your fellow americans admit, only the morons as you, still believes so.
Yes I would trust a country as Iraq and Iran IF they had nuclear weopens, which they for shure dont and have NEVER HAD!
I wouldnt trust America though.

"Secondly, the US has done nothing more than build up a government, OF IRAQ'S OWN PEOPLE. How are we taking over? We do not give them laws they must pass or anything of the sort."

IRAQ´S OWN PEOPLE? Funny, you would know all about that eh?
Perhaps you should get your own facts right before bitching about mine.
Ofcourse your not giving them laws to follow, you dont need that, the only thing you need is the dam oil, why should you care about the people.

"We have the government, too bad we don't. We have somewhat control over it, but not in a way that we can make the country do whatever we want. We are still in the process of helping them build up a strong government to rule the country, and we are only aiding them in the process, not taking away or cheating them of anything."

You have NO CONTROLE OF THE PEOPLE, BUT FULL CONTROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT, IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE COUNTRY DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT THEM TO.
Your helping them building up an government? How come the people are still poor then? If you werent cheating or stealing from them, wheres all of the money going?

"Their oil resources reduced? Here we go again, people say we are doing it to get oil. THEN WHY ARE WE STILL PAYING FULL PRICE, IF NOT HIGHER FOR EACH BARREL OF OIL WE RECEIVE. Good point, think a little longer next time"

Why the hell do you ask me? Thats yet another stupidity of your country.
ASK YOUR GOVERNMENT!

"First, Iraq isn't even in the top 10 of exporting countries for oil, Iran is ranked 4th."

I dont know what the hell your talking about, all i know is that Iraq WAS the worlds second biggest oil exporting country, til your country started the stealing. AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, BEFORE BITCHING ABOUT MINE.

"Secondly, Iran and Iraq hold the 3rd and 4th ranked spots for the greatest oil reserves in the world. Saudi Arabia still has more than Iran and Iraq combined, and Canada ranks 2nd. Get at least those facts right"

Iraq and Iran has the second and third biggest oil reserves in the world.
True that Saudi Arabia still has more than both of them combined, but Canada is in no way the second.
The form of which the oil is in Canada, cannot be used as you can use the oil in the middle east. The oil in the middle east is pure thig liquid, unlike what there is in Canada.
The process you will have to go through to gather the oil from each little sandcorn in Canada, is so expensive, that they them selfs arent even producing it in big amount. MEANING THAT THEY ARE NOT RANKED AS NUMBER 2.

GET YOUR OWN FACTS RIGHT FOR ONCE, BEFORE BITCHING ABOUT MINE!

"That statement doesn't even make complete sense, and you are wrong again. You act like the US is forcing countries to support it, when they are clearly not, if a country doesn't support the US or be an ally with them, that is there choice and we will not do anything against them"

What a nice lie.
The US are forcing them. Nearly all of the wars ever taken place in the 20´th and 21´th century are as a result of countries not suporting america.
The only countries that arent forced are those who already have nuclear weopens. And your name is General...? Cuz the war I see it, an "normal" american would not have a clue about that.

"What? Japan isn't allowed to have a military? Where did you get that one? Considering they have a military of a little over 300,000 people, I wouldn't call that nonexistent..."

The Japanese military exist, but they are in no way allowed to use it in anyway. After a period of U.S. occupation, Japan regained its independence. Japan was also forbidden to have a standing army or wage war by Article nine of its Constitution.

Its called history.

"Nothing to really comment on that one considering it wasn't aimed at me. I don't agree with just bombing it as there is progress being made"

Haleluja! Finally something we agree on.

"You mean the only other person who actually agrees with you? That doesn't mean he "sees the light" in a sense. Just because people don't agree with you, it doesn't make them idiots"

Many people agree with me.
It does, mean that he sees the truth! Me believing that I am right, makes him see the truth. For you it dosent, but for me it does.
And I didnt call anyone who did not agree with me for idiots, I called Peledan an idiot, and still do, simply because he said "BOMT IT ALL".
That does not make you an idiot, or any other who do not agree with him.

"Nothing new has happened since the start of the war? A dictator who killed and tortured people for fun was taken out of power. A government system has been started and will continue to be worked on"

If its not nothing, then its very little.

SADDAM HUSSEIN DID NOT KILL FOR "FUN".
So please dont even go there, when you trully dont know a thing about him and how he ruled, other than what you are being shown on CNN.
I agree with you that a new government system has bin set up, but you forgot - A SHIIT GOVERNMENT!

"New schools and hospitals are being built to help the citizens. Fresh water and food are being sent there and handed out daily"

Never did I see a school being builded with money OF the americans. All were either donated from the outside world, or from other muslim countries, even though I didnt see any of that either. The only thing I saw and ever heard about was, the people them selfs building up the schools and hospitals after THE AMERICAN SOLDIERS BOMBED IT.

O yes, I nearly forgot the lovely food I ate along with the fresh cold water, directly send by americans.

SERIUSLY, how can you say your providing them with food and water, when you havent bin there!
Just ask some iraqi who´ve bin there, if the water they drank was clean.
The water people are drinking is the water out of the river of Tikrit, boiled at some place, where you ofcourse have to pay for that.
If your lucky and live near some smaller outside rivers, you would have some decent clean and fresh water.

BUT NO WATER OR FOOD HAS EVER BIN SUPLIED BY THE AMERICANS.

BUT NO WATER OR FOOD HAS EVER BIN SUPLIED BY THE AMERICANS.

BUT NO WATER OR FOOD HAS EVER BIN SUPLIED BY THE AMERICANS.

 

[J0hnny_D]

freaking bush....... why did he get realcted shame on who ever who voted for him... sad

 

[chindude]

Dude amercia ain't there to 'fix' it up. They jus want control of the oil.

 

[Krypton6]

Exactly! But aperantly some people here havent admitted that yet.
They´ve got controle of nearly all governments in the middle east.

America claim that they are trying to spread out democratism, but yet they cannot accept any government in the world having difrent opinions than their own. Isnt that dictatorship?

 

[jaamal]

Exactly! But aperantly some people here havent admitted that yet.
They´ve got controle of nearly all governments in the middle east.

America claim that they are trying to spread out democratism, but yet they cannot accept any government in the world having difrent opinions than their own. Isnt that dictatorship?

How is America controlling anyone in the Middle East? They are creating a stable government nothing more, and like Dorito Said, the problem wasn't with the government completely, It was the Dictator himself who was the problem. He didnt like America thats why we went. Nobody is there to control oil flow, name 3 countries that will outbid america for oil, better yet name 1? You can't do it, No matter what the oil is coming to America, because that is how their governements are funded, supply and demand. America wants the most oil and will pay for it, therefore it will be sold to America whether we are there or not...

 

[Krypton6]

How is America controlling anyone in the Middle East? They are creating a stable government nothing more, and like Dorito Said, the problem wasn't with the government completely, It was the Dictator himself who was the problem. He didnt like America thats why we went. Nobody is there to control oil flow, name 3 countries that will outbid america for oil, better yet name 1? You can't do it, No matter what the oil is coming to America, because that is how their governements are funded, supply and demand. America wants the most oil and will pay for it, therefore it will be sold to America whether we are there or not...

Every single government in the middle east except Hamas and the Iranian government are controled by the US.

You are suporting them by giving them the money and equipment to run a country, so that you wont have to worry about that government refusing to sell oil to america.

You just admitted it.
None of the former government in the middle east liked america or suported them. That did NOT mean that they were going to attack them, cuz none of them was and america knew that.
Just because the governments didnt like america they had to go down?

And by a the dictator being the problem, I supose you mean Saddam.
You dont know how the Saddam regime trully was, so for you to call it bad is not right. And lets say it was horrible, at least it was better than the current government.

Muslims are against the state of israel, and the former governments would at any time refuse to sell oil to the united states, simply because of the fact that america is suporting the jewish state.

But the current governments all around the middle east, are suporting america now, and are not against the israel state in anyway.
The people though are still against israel and America.

If america trully is paying for every barrel of oil that they are buying from the middle east, how come the people are still poor.
You cant blame their government, because the government is america, so who is stealing all of this oil if not america?

 

[Dorito]

Krypton6, I'm done with this with this thread, and most importantly you.

You blatantly imply anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. You also constantly correct what I am saying, yet you haven't posted A SINGLE SOURCE yet.

Your only argument for the matter is, "I've been there, you haven't." I could care less about your personal vacations that may never of even happened. Either way, I don't care if you experienced it yourself or not, I want facts and sources, not your utter lies.

You have a supreme hatred of the US, and you are obviously an extremist in some sense. Your views are biased 100% and you won't even attempt to look at the other side of things.

It's wasting my time when I'm trying to explain something to a 12 year old.

As to anyone else trying to combat him, I wouldn't. He'll just bring up the same 2 points he has which have already been proved wrong and will just ignore any right facts that you say to him.

Peace man, maybe you should check your facts before you think you know everything about a certain issue, when you clearly don't even have the simplest of ideas of what is going on.

Peace.

 

[rs nechryeal]

I'm pro war but only for things that make sence. In fact I'm going into the military as soon as possible. But this war is stupid and pointless going nowhere and benifiting us in no way at all.

 

[Krypton6]

Krypton6, I'm done with this with this thread, and most importantly you.

You blatantly imply anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. You also constantly correct what I am saying, yet you haven't posted A SINGLE SOURCE yet.

Would you believe my facts if I said they were from the middle east?
You havent even given me a single fact to backup your own words, and yet you bitch about mine.

Your only argument for the matter is, "I've been there, you haven't." I could care less about your personal vacations that may never of even happened. Either way, I don't care if you experienced it yourself or not, I want facts and sources, not your utter lies.

I´ve given you facts from where all this is actully taking place, unlike you giving me your stupid facts from a country living half a planet away.
Your not in the possition to call me a lier.

You have a supreme hatred of the US, and you are obviously an extremist in some sense. Your views are biased 100% and you won't even attempt to look at the other side of things.

It's wasting my time when I'm trying to explain something to a 12 year old.

NO I dont think I hate the US and the people it self, though I have an hate towards people like you who denie everything said about your soldiers, and try make them look like gods angels, and heroes of the world, when trully many of them as retards who no good have ever done to the world.

If im waisting your time, why the hell did you post this? I remember you posted one of these Good Bye speeches once before.

As to anyone else trying to combat him, I wouldn't. He'll just bring up the same 2 points he has which have already been proved wrong and will just ignore any right facts that you say to him.

Lmao im putting up the same 2 points? Its more like you putting up the same dam point, saying asking for bloody facts and sources, when we both know that you wont believe my facts anyways.
I´ve told you 100 times that my facts are from where I live, which is where all this is actully taking place, unlike your facts and rumors being created in the US, half a globe away.
The same way you dont believe in my facts I do not believe in yours.

Peace man, maybe you should check your facts before you think you know everything about a certain issue, when you clearly don't even have the simplest of ideas of what is going on.

Peace.

Sais the guy who sais Iraq arent even in the top 5 oil countries, and that the american soldiers are all nice. YOU clearly dont know a thing about the middle east, when you dont even know how the Saddam regime was like, what the top oil producing countries are, the progress in Iraq, and what your soldiers are trully doing.
You´ve got so far out, that you claim america is giving out food and drinks to the people, and even wors, when you say that Iraq is not even in the top 5 or 10 oil producing country in the world.

THAT CLEARLY SHOW HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW ABOUT THE WORLD AND MIDDLE EAST.

 

[Dorito]

Just for your Krypton6, HAVE FUN!

1. I haven't posted any "little going away" speeches except the one above.

2. Your experiences aren't facts, how many times must I say that? So stop trying to argue that I live a half a world away, when I may very do, or I may very well don't, for you do not know. You also have already showed us you are very biased and whether you want your so called facts to be, THEY WILL BE BIASED.

3. I said they weren't in the top 10 of exporting and importing, I never said a single thing about what they are or could produce. Read a little slower next time.

That's all I'll say for the time being, your third grade grammar and spelling errors give me headaches and I truly don't have the time to post on a thread such as this. If I get some spare time, maybe I will be back, until then, LEARN ENGLISH MATE.

 

[Gnomey]

Krypton6, I'm done with this with this thread, and most importantly you.

You blatantly imply anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. You also constantly correct what I am saying, yet you haven't posted A SINGLE SOURCE yet.

Your only argument for the matter is, "I've been there, you haven't." I could care less about your personal vacations that may never of even happened. Either way, I don't care if you experienced it yourself or not, I want facts and sources, not your utter lies.

You have a supreme hatred of the US, and you are obviously an extremist in some sense. Your views are biased 100% and you won't even attempt to look at the other side of things.

It's wasting my time when I'm trying to explain something to a 12 year old.

As to anyone else trying to combat him, I wouldn't. He'll just bring up the same 2 points he has which have already been proved wrong and will just ignore any right facts that you say to him.

Peace man, maybe you should check your facts before you think you know everything about a certain issue, when you clearly don't even have the simplest of ideas of what is going on.

Peace.

Amen. I'm sure neither you nor I intend to flame (to those who might take it that way) but rather to express how annoying it is when someone makes up facts that are very wrong, some don't make logical, chronological, or geographical sense, and then try and say we're all ignorant, and then compliment Osama Bin Laden (after repeating his wrong facts). I am not flaming, simply critisizing him and all others who try to le their way through an arguement. Everything is countered with authentic facts or simply logic, and the post isn't just "you're stupid" and as such it's just a reply. Because he tried to refute that he doesn't make facts up, here's a few you can't experience "from where all this is actully taking place". Oh, and I'll be sure to use proof, even though mine sounds at least a little realistic and not from an egotistical 12 year old. After this, I'm done here as well. I have more things to do with a half our of my time then correct ignorant people. I have no problem with Shredder's concepts or ideas because he gave logical facts with proof, and listens to other sides, and doesn't say the people in 9/11 deserved it because we attacked first.

First and foremost:

7. This is an factor that you dont know a thing about. I lived under the Saddam regime! I know how it was!

Saddam would treat who ever listened to him and obeyed him nicely.
Who ever did NOT listen to him, would be killed.

I live in a free country, were I can do what ever the fuck I want to, but I chose unlike many others to learn the history of my country, people and vice verca.

Well, if you're trying to say thank you, a card would be better than whining.

As I´ve said, you dont know A THING ABOUT IRAQ, ITS HISTORY, ITS WARS, ISLAM, THE MIDDLE EAST.

THE MEDIA OF YOUR COUNTRY IS FILLING YOU WITH DIRT AND A FAKE BUT WONDERFULL IMAGE OF YOUR SOLDIERS.
I´VE BIN IN IRAQ AND SEEN HOW THEY ARE.
JUST GO TO BLOODY YOUTUBE AND YOU´LL SEE TONS OF VIDEOS MADE BY THE BRAVE SOLDIERS, MAKING KIDS FIGHT EACH OTHER, AND VICE VERCA.

You are aware that Youtube is an American media company? It's american (http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_0w9zqs) and it has video (media).

Yes, I do know quite a bit about Iraqs history, which is why I was accuratly able to describe the beginning of the conflict (no, Osama didn't attack the twin towers as a response to an attack on Iraq that hadn't yet happened and release a video claiming he did it for religion - which you can probably find on your favorite Youtube site - and not as a result to any invasion). I have also not made incorrect Iraq resource claims/ Middle East ones. (More below!) It would also be great if the Iraqi people under Saddams regime could have videoed what happened them, but, by your own admossion it was either hail Saddam or die.

Obviously if you think its all about oil you're stupid, ignorant, or both. If thats the case you don't understand your own countries natural resources or economy. Before its taken as flaming, allow me to explain its for your lack of ability to understand numbers. According to the official OPEC site (thats right, not American, its from the outside sources you so revere) is **8TH** in the world oil production, less than **6%** in terms of the worlds production. If we wanted lower oil prices, wouldn't we attack someone like Saudi Arabia who has almost 30% of the worlds oil leaving their country? And Iran is hardly better, only about 10%. For oil sent to North America, Iraq gives less than 7%. (SOURCE: http://www.opec.org/library/Annual Statistical Bulletin/interactive/FileZ/Flowbot.htm and http://www.opec.org/library/Annual Statistical Bulletin/interactive/FileZ/worldmapz.htm) And to top it all off, why would I be paying MORE for a gallon of gas at the pump if we're doing this all for oil? Why would we even PAY them for it? Why would be spend TRILLIONS of dollars on the war for a country with such little oil production? There's no WAY we'll save trillions of dollars from oil imports from what we did. That means your bull about it being all about oil, and that "Nearly all the oil in the world comes from the muslim countries and the middle east.", and thats its all about oil is wrong. But then again, you've been there! Obviously having lived Iraq your knowledge about the feelings of every person there, its history, the imports and exports of the world, the ability to judge its leadership, know about all the construction taking place within the country, the inner workings of the Quaran, the runnings of American Government, Election Process, Foreign Policy, media, and basically country as a whole, and to top it all off your ability to alter time and people so that Osamas attack wasn't because in his mind he was doing it for religion, it was instead the response to an attack that hadn't happened yet are all tip-top. Maybe its a good thing we bombed your schools if you don't understand basic things like math (below), contradiction, and the difference between fact and what you pull out of your a-?

If you're going to make up total BS facts:

"Wrong, once again. Around 50% of the worlds oil comes from the mideast countries, that is hardly "near all the oil".

Lmao, get your facts right your moron.

The top three oil producing countries are Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States. About 80% of the world's oil are located in the Middle East, with 62.5% coming from the Arab 5: Saudi Arabia (12.5%), UAE, Iraq, Qatar and Kuwait. So without the middle east the world would not be the world as we know it.

Okay, so if by your statement the US, Russia, and Saudia Arabia are the top 3 oil producing countries, and Saudia Arabia only creates 12.5%, then wouldn't the following make sense:

a) Russia and the US must produce at least 12.6% of the oil each.
b) Subtracting the US and Russia from the 100%, there would be at least 74.8% remaining.
c) The 80% you credit to the Middle East is more than 74.8%.
d) If you call it "close enough" then there is no way any country other than Middle Eastern countries, US, and Russia produce oil or it would keep getting further away.
e) If we produce one of the top 3 amounts of oil yet import less than countries like the UK and Japan, why would we even bother picking off a small fry like Iraq when we could go for someone like Saudi Arabia?

You're WRONG.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST - ISLAM DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT BIN LADEN IS DOING
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY IT HAS! DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ISLAM? HAVE YOU READ THE QURAN?
ONLY BECAUSE BIN LADEN SAIS IT HAS TO DO WITH ISLAM, DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.
LEARN THE BLOODY RELIGION, AND WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT, BEFORE YOU SAY THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN IS FOLLOWER OF IT

If you must know, the answer is yes, I have read the Quaran, and with great difficulty. I agree that Islam does not support what Osama did. What I'm saying based on his broadcast is that HE BELIEVED that what he did was for his religion, and as such it makes your theory that he was doing it as payback to an invasion of Iraq that hadn't happened yet in a part of a huge struggle that has been going on since before the first crusades, and according to many NOT US, NOT UK, NOT EVEN WHITE historians it is a one that Islam began when they were trying to expand. They did handle it much better than us - Christians were allowed to stay and be Christian while when the Christians attacked back during the Crusades they killed the Islamic, Turkish, and Morrish people they fought against regardless of sex, age, etc., something I don't agree with.) Osama nevertheless thought that it was for religion and that is my point. I never said that the religion agrees and supports what he did.

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A few other highlights from your great "15 year old mind".

1. "Sais the guy who sais Iraq arent even in the top 5 oil countries"

They're not. See above.

"Ofcourse your not giving them laws to follow, you dont need that, the only thing you need is the dam oil, why should you care about the people." and "You have NO CONTROLE OF THE PEOPLE, BUT FULL CONTROLE OF THE GOVERNMENT, IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN MAKE THE COUNTRY DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT THEM TO."

Oops, contradicted yourself!

2. "Your helping them building up an government? How come the people are still poor then?"

Good point. We should create an entire government, make the people wealthy, fight against the crazy radicals who got us there in the first place, and at the same time not run their government at all so you don't get flustered. With our 0% poverty rate, we have nothing better to do than give all our money to the country we just liberated! No, wrong. Our Consitution took two years to be ratified and implemented after it was written up. You can't expect instant results. I live in Michigan, one of the worst states in the US economically with soaring poverty rates. I think once we finally help get the new government in place, wait for them to agree on the laws they want to create, get it up and running, and then create their own military + police force they will have time to make everyone wealthy. Until then, does your unfactual whining help anything?

3. "I dont know what the hell your talking about, all i know is that Iraq WAS the worlds second biggest oil exporting country, til your country started the stealing. AGAIN GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, BEFORE BITCHING ABOUT MINE."

According the the same Official OPEC site I sited above, here are Iraqs oil export percentages from 1990-2000, all before the war. Each year is in order, respectivly.

9.59%, 1.27%, 2.21%, 2.72%, 3.04%, 3.00%, 2.99%, 5.44%, 7.86%, 10.37%, 10.13%

It could just be me, but does 1.27% sound like the #2 spot for oil production?

GET A REAL FACT BEFORE TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU HAVE A CLUE WHATS GOING ON.

4. "SADDAM HUSSEIN DID NOT KILL FOR "FUN"."

Yah, that makes sense. I seem to recall something like "Saddam would treat who ever listened to him and obeyed him nicely. Who ever did NOT listen to him, would be killed." Sometimes people speaking their feelings can just be so stressful they need to die. Of course, killing them didn't make him feel any better. There was a good reason that had nothing to do with him. Like... umm.

5. "The water people are drinking is the water out of the river of Tikrit, boiled at some place, where you ofcourse have to pay for that."

How selfish of the people who have the money the citizens of this country donate to get the stuff built in their area. They should have put it by the guy with Internet access. You've obviously got lots of financial trouble. And don't even get me started on the people with Cancer who ask for donations for future sufferers to find a cure, or the people in Africa who have no water near them they could pay to be boiled on top of widespread disease. How selfish of them, right? We should have built a new pond in your back yard, and on top of the trillions of dollars we're spending on your oil and setting up a new government, we should give everything else to you to make that pond you want into a marble fountain. I can't believe we didn't think of this before! Ignorant.

6. "I´ve given you facts from where all this is actully taking place, unlike you giving me your stupid facts from a country living half a planet away."

This is one of my favorites. I can't believe the guy who is judging America said this. Hippocritical.

7. "I´ve told you 100 times that my facts are from where I live, which is where all this is actully taking place, unlike your facts and rumors being created in the US, half a globe away."

Obviously having lived Iraq your knowledge about the feelings of every person there, its history, the imports and exports of the world, the ability to judge its leadership, know about all the construction taking place within the country, the inner workings of the Quaran, the runnings of American Government, Election Process, Foreign Policy, media, and basically country as a whole, and to top it all off your ability to alter time and people so that Osamas attack wasn't because in his mind he was doing it for religion, it was instead the response to an attack that hadn't happened yet are all tip-top. Maybe its a good thing we bombed your schools if you don't understand basic things like math (above), contradiction, and the difference between fact and what you pull out of your a-?

8. "YOU clearly dont know a thing about the middle east, when you dont even know how the Saddam regime was like, what the top oil producing countries are, the progress in Iraq"... "THAT CLEARLY SHOW HOW LITTLE YOU KNOW ABOUT THE WORLD AND MIDDLE EAST."

For having such a clear understanding of the world, I don't know why you're critisizing yourself. But you forgot the poor understanding of math, America as a whole, fact and fiction, grammar (which I wouldn't normally expect from someone from a different country, but if you know so much about America...), and logic.

9. "Every single government in the middle east except Hamas and the Iranian government are controled by the US."

Whew, good call there! Good thing we added Iraq to our collection, its only limited edition. I'm glad we picked up Saudi Arabia first, after all with that our gas prices might and the trillions of dollars we lose in war spendings, dollar inflation, and aid may end up balancing and make it not a total money loss!

10. "You are suporting them by giving them the money and equipment to run a country, so that you wont have to worry about that government refusing to sell oil to america."

Its only 10%. We're losing more on war costs than we could ever gain by forcing Iraq to sell oil (as if it could afford to stop selling it) and it would just make one less OPEC person to deal with.

11. "If america trully is paying for every barrel of oil that they are buying from the middle east, how come the people are still poor."

Because you don't produce much oil. Its not a communist society. When some people gain money from oil it doesn't mean its all split up amongst every person. Maybe make people want to do business or move into the country to help other markets like... all of them by removing the Ruthless Dictator that killed at least 300,000 people for such silly things as not agreeing with him. It would make the place a bit more homey. Good thing we're good at spotting said problems and took care of it, and amidst a bunch of whiners are trying to get a decade+ long job done in years.

12. "The Japanese military exist, but they are in no way allowed to use it in anyway. After a period of U.S. occupation, Japan regained its independence. Japan was also forbidden to have a standing army or wage war by Article nine of its Constitution."

Well first off considering you're fussing over the US using our military, ad beyond that the fact that they attacked us without any kind of instigation and took the same team as a lunatic who was responsible for the Holocaust, I'd say they probably have no ground to stand on to create another powerful military.

13. "America started this war, and yet nothing new has hapend since the start of the war. The people are still being tortured and killed BY ATHE AMERICAN SOLDIERS, and basically nothing has hapend. I know that there are many good soldiers in iraq aswell, but there are aloooot of bad soldiers aswell."

Oh yes, I almost forgot! It was so much better under the previous ruler that supported these kind of actions rather than our government who has sentenced soldiers to life in prision for rape of Iraqi citizens. The accountability is so much worse now. I mean, Saddam had 0 and we had at least 1, so... oops you're wrong.

14. "THE STUFF IM TELLING YOU IS FACTS FROM WHERE I COME FROM, NOT AMERICAN FACTS. ITS WRITTEN BY MY PEOPLE, BY THE ASIAN PORPULATION, AND NOT THE WESTERN."

Then site to me your source from over there. As long as the source isn't one that starts with a "f" and ends in a "rom out of your ass" I'm more than willing to accept it.

15. "AND AT THE END, FACTS ARE WRITTEN BY PEOPLE, NOT BUY SOME ALL KNOWING CREATURE."

Sure sounds funny coming from the guy who thinks because he lived in Iraq he has the right to judge everything that happens not only there, but in the US as well.

16. "And just to notify you Dorito, im only 15! And yet can still keep up an conversation with, an perhaps 20+ year old."

No, you can't keep up a conversation with a 20+ year old. First off, anyone above the age of 10 would become frustrated with the fact your ego is so big that you think because you live(d?) in Iraq you are qualified to judge everything that happens there, and that you would try and "brag" about this. Nobody cares how old you are, you still sound like a fool. Secondly, you contradict yourself so many times it makes me dizzy to follow which side you agree with (should we stay, should we go?) and lastly, how you don't have any idea what you're talking about, but honestly believe you do. Just because the posh little community you lived in where you get to access the internet was liked by Saddam got great treatment doesn't mean everyone did, and if you're still living in Iraq why are you calling EVERYONE poor? You make up so many facts its not even funny.

17. "Every single day the american troops are responsible for more than 500 killings worldwide. And yet america is still crying about what hapend 9/11, even though they are killing the same amount daily."

I actually lol'ed. More than 500 people were list in 9/11, we aren't asking other countries for donations for the people of 9/11 (nor other disasters we usually have organizations like the Red Cross go to other countries and help with like Hurricane Katrina or the current forest fires in California), and where you got 500 people a day from I'd love to see. Is it www.saddam.com? I bet he's just saying that to make our statistics lower than his were.

18. "Then bush sends 400.000 american soldiers to iraq. I think everybody suports that. But then as soon as he got into iraq, he showed his true self, the self that the american people knew before the war, but yet the rest of the world was about to experience and see.
America was suposed to help iraq, but yet they started the war by ruining and demolishing iraq fully! Schools, hospitals, and who knows! All was bombed and ruined, EVEN THOUGH there were no iraqi soldiers fighting agaisnt america."

You're right. He sure fooled all of us with the costume he was wearing. I never guessed that underneath he had concern for other people! When I voted I thought it would be some heartless jerk who thought 9/11 was right because he has no comprehension of time, but instead he just got rid of a cruel dictator! Next time I'll fix it.

You know what, you're right about the schools too!. In countries they don't build hospitals, schools, and "who knows" next to places that Saddam would use like government buildings, military buildings, terrorists meeting places, etc. Maybe we should have just gone into the "Terrorist and Saddam district" and only bombed there. Hey everyone, lets make sure to write down that great tip for next time!

I can't believe we forgot the unwritten terrorists code that they can't meet or attack us from any kind of school, hospital, etc. I'm glad they designated buildings for it. Just because a anti aircraft missle was fired out the window doesn't mean that the place was a threat, it just means they wanted to share! Good thing we gave them one of our bombs to return the favor...

19. "The saddam regime did not fight against america, how should they, when america are attacking from above. So america bombed and ruined the country, which they were suposed to safe!"

Maybe they were to busy attacking their own citizens? But then again, we didn't play fair. If you enter a war, you need to put on a vest that says "Citizen", "Soldier", or "Terrorist" so we can maximize our casualities by sending our troops in on foot to start it all of with. And you know another great thing? We could use that new bullet they invented that doesn't hurt civilians! If we had only done that, there wouldn't have been any killed in the crossfire for people like you to complain about. Oh wait, you're complaining abut that too? Geez it's hard to take your side even when I'm being sarcastic.

20. "THAT IS WHAT I HATE MOST! THEY STARTED THIS WAR, AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO END IT!!!!!!!"

Maybe its because so many people like you are bitching about it, we're losing money, and there are idiots like you out there acting like magnets to pull more in. I say you break it you buy it. Even if it was cracked and falling apart before, we took out the final touches and we need to finish it, period. Maybe start putting in some constructive current ideas instead of sitting in your ignorant state of hindsight up on your pedistal? Hindsight is 20/20, so looking back is cowardly and not intelligent.

21. "I know that he is killing "civilians" all though they arent in my opionion.

For him Osama Bin Laden to kill civilians, makes him a terrorist.
But for america and bush to kill muslim civilians, does not make them terrorist?

That dosent sound right! Therefor I do not look at Osama Bin Laden as an terrorist."

You're right again! When Osama attacked the World Trade Center for Iraq (not his wrong view on his religion), he meant to kill the 0 military personel in a civilian building! He wasn't targeting citizens for the purpose of instilling fear, they were just caught accidentally in the crossfire. It is both saddening and wasteful that civilians do die, but again, it is not the purpose of the person that is firing (at least in terms of the Americans) to kill them. The suicide bombers, people who send their children into the middle of the road to stop the US Hummers, and Saddam himself are a totally different story.

22. "So for some one to, cry over 9/11, I simply find pathetic!
I am sorry for the people who died, but thats what hapends in a war!
And those same "civilians" chose bush twice!! Only a small percentage of the american people, do not suport bush."

For the guy who I just quoted above saying that he thinks someone else has no right to judge Iraq because its far away, you sure do a lot yourself. We (for the last time) are not "crying" over 9/11. Many people don't support Bush. It's not all Bush who is keeping us there. It is the ANTI WAR Legislature that the CITIZENS elected in who have done nothing. Then again, being the ignorant brat you are, I'm sure you had no idea.

23. "So only an small percentage of the american people, trully hates bush, and I suggest that those people should move out of the country, since they are surounded with danger. They have the money to do it for shure."

Oh, thats right. Because our economy kicks your economies ass as a whole (Even when Saddam was ruling), everyone in America is rich! Everyone can afford to move whereever they want, give up their jobs, move to another country, and pick right back up from there. And they are in so much danger because there have been a ton more attacks ever since we invaded Iraq. Wait, there haven't been ANY? Oops you're wrong again.

24. "And even before bush and his farther, america were responsibel for over 300.000 deaths in hiroshima and nagasaki."

Well, after pointing out that it wasn't either Bush who were responsible for the nuking of either, and it was used to end a War we got involved in after JAPAN attacked us FIRST at an unsuspecting military base in Pearl Harbor when we were Neutral, you are saying we had no right to nuke someone that on top of all that allied themselves who were responsible for the Holocaust, which is pretty self explainitory... as well as the deaths of millions of other soldiers worldwide when they went on the attack for more land (or whatever cause they might have had). Unless of course by your twisted logic the mentally hanicapped or physically deformed were asking for it when they were born different, the gypsies deserved it because of the way they ran their lives, and the Jews finally applied to the "Been descriminated against for thousands of years, thrown out of many countries, worked as slaves, and pretty much stepped on by every culture" Rule, in which case the Japanese and their German allies were spot on.

25. "America should be the last country to be asked for permission for production of nuclear weopen. 2 atomic bombs should be thrown into america, and 300.000 deaths, before they can even give permission to any other country in the world to produce nuclear weopens."

Am I reading this right? Now you want to have Americans killed because we developed a weapon against people who attacked us first and allied themselves with the people responsible for the largest organized genocide within the last several hundred years (If not all of time)? Sounds like we need to move new schools up on the priority list for Iraq.

26. "1.What is it with sources and you. That is something everyone knows.
If it wasent for americans invading other countries, iraqi people and afghani wouldnt be dying! The so called terrorists are fighting against america.
If there were no troops, there would be no people to suport them, if there arent any to suport them, there would be no deaths.
Im not saying that american soldiers are directly killing 500 people a day, but that they are responsible! I explained why above."

If they attacked first, how could they be retaliating? And sources are a great way of keeping people like you from BSing facts for the purposes of trying to inflate your null point. 0 x 100 is 0 buddy, if you start with nothing and multiple 100 fake facts in there you still come out with nothing.

27. "3. "Terrorists" are getting stronger because more and more people are suporting them, after seing what bush and his troops are doing to their country and family.
The people knew it the first time, after having seen his farther, and bush him self speak about it. And they for shure knew it the second time."

That would be a valid point, except remind me when the terrorists attacked again because of this increased support after we went into Iraq? None? Oopsie. Where did the attacks increase? In places where they chose to not go in or back out? It seems you tend to be wrong a lot.

28. "4. Back to the source thign eh. What do you expect of an source?
Some one saying, that america might have known how bush would be as?
What kind of source is it you want! There is no source! Its not a fact!
America knew how bush was before he was elected the first time, after having seen his farther, and bush him self speak.
And they elected him the second time, after knowing how he was 100%."

For having put in all caps that we shouldn't leave now that we have started in there, you sure are being contradictory. Of course we knew Bush would keep us in Iraq, because its the right thing to do and we knew he'd do it!

29. "Why would the iraqi people bomb some helping soldiers, whos intentions were aperantly good? They werent helping! Some fought them becuase of what they were doing to the country and people. Why the hell would some one fight without any reason at all. And again, if the us troops werent in iraq, those people fighting them would not have to fight them, meaning that the small percantage of ruins in iraq wouldnt have bin from them.
And dont even mix Islam with terrorists! People who claim they are doing it for islam, and that islam sais to do so in iraq, are simply morons.
Especially in Iraq, where religion has no role these days.
Killing some one does not make your holy, wether it is for Islam or not.
So learn about the religion before u speak."

I don't know. Why would they kill their own people? Why would they kill themselves in the process? Because they're nuts (and when Saddam was around government sanctioned nuts). I agree that people who claim that they are attacking civilians buildings in America or blowing off carbombs in Iraq in the name of Islam are morons. Point being, thats what THEY BELIEVE. When Osama releases a tape of him saying it was for Islam, I tend to believe those were his intentions rather than your theory of retalitating to an invasion of Iraq that hadn't yet happened by killing civilians rather than military personel (Twin Towers, Subway bombings in other countries, etc).

30. "Your not building anything! The iraqi people are the ones building! Not your soldiers! And yet the troops were the same people who bombed those hospitals and buildings.
The old hospitals and schools, were way better. Thats yet another thing that any seing person would know. The old hospitals had everything they needed, and the iraqi students were getting the best grades worldwide at that time.
Give me YOUR source that sais, the old iraqi hospital and schools were wors than the current."

The Iraqi people are building? Could it be a working governement that is telling them to build? Sounds like progressssssss! Our soldiers, despite the fact they aren't there to build, are building there. I can find plenty of credible news sources to back that up.

Thats right, old out of date hospitals and equipment work way better than new stuff. Why bother researching things like Advil when we could just bleed people like they used to? New stuff is way worse than old stuff. My source? LOGIC. Something you appearantly don't posess. And where does that fact that Iraqi students were getting the best grades at the time come from? Probably the same as all your other sources, nowhere. It's proven by what you've been writing here.

"Their oil resources reduced? Here we go again, people say we are doing it to get oil. THEN WHY ARE WE STILL PAYING FULL PRICE, IF NOT HIGHER FOR EACH BARREL OF OIL WE RECEIVE. Good point, think a little longer next time"

Why the hell do you ask me? Thats yet another stupidity of your country.
ASK YOUR GOVERNMENT!

Just throwing it out there, I've been trying to but maybe the direct apporach might work. We're paying full price because we aren't there to take control or get cheaper oil prices. Logic stings, right?

"Nothing new has happened since the start of the war? A dictator who killed and tortured people for fun was taken out of power. A government system has been started and will continue to be worked on"

If its not nothing, then its very little.

I never realized that beyond your mastery of contradiction you also had a knack for removing one government and replacing it with another that requires people with many different views to come to an agreement while facing the critisism of a worthless, all talk no action group called the UN and many people in the US. Do you work on commission?

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Point being, that its not possible to argue against someone who is a hippocrit, makes up facts, and contradicts themselves. It's not a discussion when you do things like that. Things like Shredderbeam's and some other peoples constructive posts (things like "We're liberating Iraq so we can get oil. If we don't have oil then what? Basically everything in this world runs on oil", "Bomb it, I think its to messed up over that certain place to fix it anymore. Either way the war is taking to big of a toll anymore, either bomb it or wipe it clean with a very large amount of soldiers.", "i hate the iraqy war and i hate all wars", "Yeah I agree that this is true in some ways..", etc don't help too much) are great because it gives people another side to look at that is credible.

When you decide to make a real point, let me know, and I'll be happy to listen to your FACT BACKED opinions and not your current view that because you lived in Iraq, you know everything about it all over the country at every single moment, and that everyone is poor (even though you're online), and that Osama was spot on with what he did, an idea about how the American Government works before you critisize it, and last but not least aren't a total hippocrit (people can't judge any of what Saddam did but you can judge what Bush is doing in Iraq, what he's doing in the US, and how the American people choose to vote) let me know.

 

[Krypton6]

Just for your Krypton6, HAVE FUN!

1. I haven't posted any "little going away" speeches except the one above.

2. Your experiences aren't facts, how many times must I say that? So stop trying to argue that I live a half a world away, when I may very do, or I may very well don't, for you do not know. You also have already showed us you are very biased and whether you want your so called facts to be, THEY WILL BE BIASED.

3. I said they weren't in the top 10 of exporting and importing, I never said a single thing about what they are or could produce. Read a little slower next time.

That's all I'll say for the time being, your third grade grammar and spelling errors give me headaches and I truly don't have the time to post on a thread such as this. If I get some spare time, maybe I will be back, until then, LEARN ENGLISH MATE.

Why the hell should i learn english when im not english, and when its not even my own language. How many times have I told you this!
And I thought it was good bye, but seems like u keep posting.

Gnomey - Do you really expect of me to respond to that 1 Billion line text? Try make it shorter next time.
And regarding the oil thing, go to wikidpedia its written there.

 

[Bosnian]

I just feel sorry for the Iraqi. They folow the same god as me allah and have muslim in them. Why did George Bush have to start all this...at first