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The "War" in Iraq

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A coalition of countries invaded Iraq in 2003, with the goal of removing Saddam Hussein from power, and ridding the country of alleged weapons of mass destruction. I'm sure most of you know this.

After Saddam was removed from power, the country was thoroughly checked, and no weapons of mass destruction were found. None.

Sometime last spring, Yahoo! news reported that the Pentagon had admitted to twisting the Iraq data in an "unethical, but not illegal" manner. I couldn't find a link for this, so look it up yourself.

The Downing Street Memo's reveal that Bush had wanted to invade Iraq for many years, was willing to provoke Saddam into aggression, and that the actual war began almost a year before the 2003 invasion.

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

So. The government knew that there were no WMD, yet they invaded anyway, costing 3,615 American lives, and up to 785,000 Iraqi civilian lives (http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html). It has also cost around $450 billion, and has helped to hurt the dollar in its competition against the Euro.

Yet, we still invaded. Why is this? Could it be that Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the world?

Think about it: We left Osama bin Laden in the mountains of Tora Bora to go invade Iraq. Clearly, this is not a fight on terror, as Osama and Saddam were sworn enemies.

We've also changed the reason for the war numerous times. First, it was the WMD. Second, it was "freeing the Iraqi people". Then, it was part of the war on terror.

Allow me to digress for a moment. What is a terrorist organization? Is it an organization with clearly defined borders, set bases, and an easy-to-locate army? No, it is a network of people who use "terror tactics" (hence the name "terrorism") to achieve their goals. Can you really wage a "war" (using tanks, B-52 bombers, etc.) on such an organization, or is it something that you combat using intelligence, spies, etc.? Methinks the latter is more likely.

So, the facts have been laid bare. To those of you who still believe that we should have invaded, please, discuss your views here.
 
Also, I pose this question to you pro-warists:

Why spend your trillion dollar per year budget to invade Iraq, supposedly to take down a dictator killing tens of thousands of people, when you could more easily and for much less, move into an African country in the third world, and take out a corrupt leader who, by the cause of hoarding aid, has caused the death of millions by starvation?

What does Iraq have that these third world countries don't?

Oh wait, that'd be oil.
 
It's so damn simple. We aren't there to help, we're there to get rich, to get oil, and to get more power. And our tax dollars are doing it. God i can't wait till i can move out of this country.
 
It's so damn simple. We aren't there to help, we're there to get rich, to get oil, and to get more power. And our tax dollars are doing it. God i can't wait till i can move out of this country.

.wat.
 
I am leaving this country when I turn 21 also man... I just can't wait its to corrupt and I can see America collapsing on the citizens.
 
Okay...so i am partially against the war. I just have a few un-answered questions.

So you guys say "we are just there to steal the oil"

How in fact, are we going to "take their oil?" So, if what your saying is true, we just came there for the oil, it doesn't make much sense.

The amount of money we're spending on the war is far more than we would get from the oil.

any suggestions to why?
 
Okay...so i am partially against the war. I just have a few un-answered questions.

So you guys say "we are just there to steal the oil"

How in fact, are we going to "take their oil?" So, if what your saying is true, we just came there for the oil, it doesn't make much sense.

The amount of money we're spending on the war is far more than we would get from the oil.

any suggestions to why?

Yes. The U.S. doesn't profit from the war, but those who own oil companies, weapons factories, etc. do. Massively.
 
Okay...so i am partially against the war. I just have a few un-answered questions.

So you guys say "we are just there to steal the oil"

How in fact, are we going to "take their oil?" So, if what your saying is true, we just came there for the oil, it doesn't make much sense.

The amount of money we're spending on the war is far more than we would get from the oil.

any suggestions to why?

We have not yet spent over a trillion yet, but there is approximately 99 trillion in oil there.
 
I have one thing to say, get Australia's troops out and George Bush can fight his own war.
 
Hmmm.....Is that a fact, or just your own bias opinion? = p

It is a fact. The war is being paid for on credit. It is going straight to our national debt. Our children, and theirs also, will have to suffer outrageous taxes to repair this debt.

The war also hurts the credit of the U.S. with other nations. Being American is a standing joke in most European countries at the moment.

Those who control the oil companies, by controlling the supply of oil, control the prices also. The supply is not in any real danger, yet by lowering it a little bit, prices have risen dramatically. Higher prices = more profit.
 
Bush starts war > various companies make billions> Carlyle group rakes in profits > Bush sr dies > bush gets money.
 
i have one thing to say,

I MADE my parents NOT vote for Bush

who here did? XD
 
As a strong Republican, I still support Bush. You guys are going to say, "our troops are stuck over there or whatever". Well I know, my older brother is currently serving in the U.S Air Force in Iraq. The news doesn't display it, but the millions of Iraq citizens are happy we are over there, besides the small group of terrorists. So in all, yes I think we should stay in Iraq, but we should set a timeline to get out in the next couple years. As another thing, saying we invaded Iraq for the oil? That's like saying September11th was fucking planned. The government is being given an evil side, just because people disagree with them.
 
[N]ick;2324576 said:
As a strong Republican, I still support Bush. You guys are going to say, "our troops are stuck over there or whatever". Well I know, my older brother is currently serving in the U.S Air Force in Iraq. The news doesn't display it, but the millions of Iraq citizens are happy we are over there, besides the small group of terrorists. So in all, yes I think we should stay in Iraq, but we should set a timeline to get out in the next couple years. As another thing, saying we invaded Iraq for the oil? That's like saying September11th was fucking planned. The government is being given an evil side, just because people disagree with them.


Personally i think 9/11 was planned. All this has happened to fall in place so perfectly for the us government.
 
As I said in another post, the Us is looking similar to Oceana in 1984. We are fighting a war that will never end. Whenever we catch one "terrorist", a new one will always arise. Bush wants to keep the US in a state of war so that profit can be made off of it. Its true that the USA as a whole is going into terrible debt from the war, but Bush and some of his inner circle people are making millions. Guess where the Bush family gets money from...thats right...OIL! Guess where family friends of the Bush's get their money from...OIL! The longer we can keep fighting terrorists in the Middle East, who are in countries that just happen to have oil reserves, they get rich. End of story.
 
[N]ick;2324576 said:
As a strong Republican, I still support Bush. You guys are going to say, "our troops are stuck over there or whatever". Well I know, my older brother is currently serving in the U.S Air Force in Iraq. The news doesn't display it, but the millions of Iraq citizens are happy we are over there, besides the small group of terrorists. So in all, yes I think we should stay in Iraq, but we should set a timeline to get out in the next couple years. As another thing, saying we invaded Iraq for the oil? That's like saying September11th was fucking planned. The government is being given an evil side, just because people disagree with them.

Just because your brother is in the Air Force does not mean that you still have to support Bush, you know.

That's funny. Most unbiased surveys show that the majority of Iraqis want us out RIGHT NOW.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/26/AR2006092601721.html
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/165.php?nid=&id=&pnt=165&lb=hmpg2
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-04-28-poll-cover_x.htm

Also, my Dad's cousin has a friend living in Baghdad, and he says that public opinion is pretty much unified against the United States.

Why do you disagree with the statement "we invaded Iraq for the oil"? Surely you have some evidence that we didn't?
 
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