Terrorists / Freedom fighters

[IcyDude]

hello!

i've made this thread to discuss the fine line between terrorists, and legitimate freedom fighters, and where does that Line cross.

in many ways the Terrorist label is a matter of prespective- one man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, the question i want to ask in this thread is how to YOU define the two.

 

[demonon]

hello!

i've made this thread to discuss the fine line between terrorists, and legitimate freedom fighters, and where does that Line cross.

in many ways the Terrorist label is a matter of prespective- one man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, the question i want to ask in this thread is how to YOU define the two.

You are right, one mans freedom is the another mans Terrorist.
I don't want to give an example, but I am afraid some one will and this will turn in to a A vs B thread.
But let's say countries, religion, culture and many other factors just divide men.

 

[DropKick Murphys]

A terrorist is somebody who kills innocent civilians. A freedom fighter is somebody who fights back against somebody in self defense.

 

[demonon]

A terrorist is somebody who kills innocent civilians. A freedom fighter is somebody who fights back against somebody in self defense.

I can fight back in self defence and kill innocent civilians in that process, can't I?

 

[IcyDude]

let me make this more difficult for you Murphy- what if said person fights for what he believes to be his self defence, but, targets civillians in the process?

to him it may seem as a legitimate form of freedom fighting, but to the civillians that get their asses whooped it is a terrorist

 

[DropKick Murphys]

let me make this more difficult for you Murphy- what if said person fights for what he believes to be his self defence, but, targets civillians in the process?

to him it may seem as a legitimate form of freedom fighting, but to the civillians that get their asses whooped it is a terrorist

How are you defending yourself if you are killing innocent people who have done nothing to you?

 

[IcyDude]

Exactly.

so when a resistence organisation, as legitimate as it's causes might be, chooses to target civillians, it ceases to be a resistence and becomes a Terrorist organisation.

this is my point of view.

 

[jackstone654]

How are you defending yourself if you are killing innocent people who have done nothing to you?

lol look at who made this thread?
Citizen of good country Izrael...

and, of course...he wants to know, if killing civilians in gaza (for Izraeli people a.k.a Terrorists) is good?
and he obviously wants to know if the term Terrorists is good or should he say Freedom fighters.

and, yes, how are you defending yourself with killing innocent people?
ask him, i dunno

BTW: greetings from Slovenia (no, I am not palestinian)

 

[demonon]

How are you defending yourself if you are killing innocent people who have done nothing to you?

Sorry I have to involve Israel.
Israel killed dozens of innocent people. Shall we call Israel a terrorist too then?

 

[TJ]

In this case, does freedom involve peace?

 

[DropKick Murphys]

Sorry I have to involve Israel.
Israel killed dozens of innocent people. Shall we call Israel a terrorist too then?

Yes, especially because they easily could have avoided it and make it seem like they simply don't care.

 

[The Fat Controller]

hello!

i've made this thread to discuss the fine line between terrorists, and legitimate freedom fighters, and where does that Line cross.

in many ways the Terrorist label is a matter of prespective- one man's Terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, the question i want to ask in this thread is how to YOU define the two.

A terrorist is someone who employs the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature...through intimidation, coercion, or instilling fear. That's the official US definition.

A freedom fighter is someone who takes part in an armed struggle in order to achieve freedom for themselves or others.

Deciding who's who is the hard bit.

 

[Ottis]

Freedom fighter are the palestinens and the terrorist are isralies

 

[IcyDude]

oh yes i should have known this would turn into yet another Israel-palestine thread.

i will answer any relevent claims made on the subject, but i do not intend to answer spam such as "israel is terrorist and palestine is freedom fighter"

so.....Jackstone and Ottis, you can both fuck off.

TJ- i really dont understand your question

Demonon (and Murphys)-

while i recognize that the recent millitary operation in Gaza caused ALOT of civillian casualties, i believe they could not be avoided, given the population density of Gaza and the fact that the Hamas millitants often use civillian sites, and civillians themselves, as human shields.

add to that the Human error margin, and the fact that no soldier in the world will hold fire at somebody who attacks him, even if it is from a civillian center, and you will get the high amount of civillian casualties

so the fundamental issue here, is if Civillians were deliberately targeted in order to instill fear, i believe it's false.

on the other hand Hamas targets civillians with the sole purpose of instilling fear, so they are a Terrorist organisation, rather than freedom fighters


i'll also stress this again- i DO NOT want this to become another Israel-Palestine thread, there is already a thread on that subject, called "the crisis in the middle east" or something of that sorts, if you want to discuss that topic go there, DONT hijack MY thread.

 

[TJ]

Are the freedom fighters mentioned, fighting for peace?

 

[IcyDude]

well, i dont see any modern example of an organisation that calls itself a "freedom fighter" fighting for peace, most of the time they fight for independance / land.

in some cases these organisations deny the idea of peace with their enemies, so really it depends on which organisation you take as your example

 

[TJ]

well, i dont see any modern example of an organisation that calls itself a "freedom fighter" fighting for peace, most of the time they fight for independance / land.

in some cases these organisations deny the idea of peace with their enemies, so really it depends on which organisation you take as your example

Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
George Carlin

Like i just posted, it doesn't exist.

 

[MacDonald]

Yup,

Although there were terrorist where I lived.

 

[demonon]

oh yes i should have known this would turn into yet another Israel-palestine thread.

i will answer any relevent claims made on the subject, but i do not intend to answer spam such as "israel is terrorist and palestine is freedom fighter"

so.....Jackstone and Ottis, you can both fuck off.

TJ- i really dont understand your question

Demonon (and Murphys)-

while i recognize that the recent millitary operation in Gaza caused ALOT of civillian casualties, i believe they could not be avoided, given the population density of Gaza and the fact that the Hamas millitants often use civillian sites, and civillians themselves, as human shields.

add to that the Human error margin, and the fact that no soldier in the world will hold fire at somebody who attacks him, even if it is from a civillian center, and you will get the high amount of civillian casualties

so the fundamental issue here, is if Civillians were deliberately targeted in order to instill fear, i believe it's false.

on the other hand Hamas targets civillians with the sole purpose of instilling fear, so they are a Terrorist organisation, rather than freedom fighters


i'll also stress this again- i DO NOT want this to become another Israel-Palestine thread, there is already a thread on that subject, called "the crisis in the middle east" or something of that sorts, if you want to discuss that topic go there, DONT hijack MY thread.

I agree with you on that.
I don't think Israel or Jews are pure evil. There just are conflicts with Israel and the Palestine, or if you prefer Hamas, and they need to be solved one way or another. Nobody can avoiding to fight back and civilian casualties can happen. But in such a way that schools get attacked and there are bombardments with phosphoric bombs, that... That really makes me sad.
If you really want my view on the whole Israel, Palestine issue. I think the west just took the land from Palestine and gave it to Israel. Expect troubles when you take some one else his land.

And one more thing, though. The true purpose Hamas fights against Israel is because they want their land back, isn't it?
What do you think about this. Is one still a Terrorist if one fights for the right cause. And I say right, not the subjective good cause.

 

[IcyDude]

no matter what the cause might be, once an organisation starts targetting civillians deliberately, it loses any legitimacy it has as a resistence organisation

i will reserve my comments about your opinion when it comes to the whole Israeli-Palestinian conflict, personally i believe you are misinformed on the history of the conflict, but this thread is not the place to speak of it

feel free to continue that topic with me in Private messeges, or whatever.