[DENIED] Revamp account sale rules

I mean I definitely can, one thing was pertaining to newcomers being ban evaders, this is account sales. They are 2 completely different things man. And yes, I think they should be able to ask for a refund, it was a counter to his offer, is that so wrong? Why the hell are you attacking me on a suggestion thread?

 

You said "support both ideas" and then proceeded with the recovery refund comment. This made it look like you were agreeing with something he suggested, not countering with something different. I was just trying to help clarify for you if you were confused. Definitely not attacking you. I apologize if that's how you feel, man! Certainly wasn't intending to do so. Just playing devil's advocate and trying to make sure folks see the suggestion from all angles.

 

Ya I understand, I agree with his ideas, but like my own twists too. Just chirping in

 

I agree with number two 110%, but what's stopping someone from just selling a ton of accounts and then just recovering them and saying $%#! sythe? Regardless of whether or not something like #1 is implemented, it doesn't fix the root cause of the issue which is that in a black market, you really can't legally enforce any type of "rules" for refunds. The most you can do is ban them and hope they don't try to ban evade or wait for them to refund those who got scammed originally.

When I got scammed by a former Global Mod, regardless of whether or not the rules stated he was "responsible" for refunding me in full, I took a risk to purchase a digital asset from a stranger (although I knew him a decent amount prior - but only through Sythe and Discord). Quite frankly, regardless of whether someone is an Admin, Mod, or MM, everyone has the ability to do scummy things for money but that's a whole other topic about morality that I won't bring up here.

 

One question. How does either side successfully prove an account was recovered? I see alot of this he-said-you-said where the seller alleges the account was NOT recovered, contrary to the buyer's allegations. And there have been cases where a buyer tries to resell the acc AND claim a refund by pretending the account got recovered. How so then?

Horrid as seller TOS's seems, its also to protect the seller from scumbag scamming buyers who try to resell the acc without the OO knowing and in some cases even trick the OO into refunding them.

 

Support - it's a tough one tbh like you said because your email was on the account thats why you were able to recover, I know some sellers do this as it means the account can always be recovered should the customer need it but at the same time this is potentially more dangerous. What happens if someone is in a situation like you were they are the OO, provide all necessary recovery information but there appeal is denied due to no fault of their own would seem a bit harsh to have them refund if it's not their fault.

With my tos for the accs I sold i said anywhere from 3-6 months but if they dropped me a pm after that time frame I'd still try to assist if possible but again like I said earlier if my appeal was denied I'd find that unfair if I had to refund when I'm oo.

A list of accounts may be a good idea but what would warrant an account going on the list? As someone could sell your account through discord and the buyer may never of even heard of sythe, then the seller comes on sythe saying it was recovered how could the OO prove otherwise?

Edit: after thinking, at the same time the OO could just submit an appeal easily whilst using a vpn and make out like it was denied. Maybe something could be implemented into the rules to make responsibility more clear - I personally think 1 month is too short of a time as I'd imagine a lot of scams taken place shortly after as the seller thinks he is no longer liable.

If you sell an account you should be confident enough that you can recover it well over a month later if you had too, I think the bare minimum it should be is 3 months. I don't think refunds should ever be given after the timeframe as the OO doesn't want the account that's why it was sold, the account should be returned to the buyer as thats what they paid for.

 

1.1 This whole thread is to prevent new users buying accounts from “Trusted Users” who are selling/re selling unsecured accounts they hold no liability for post the 1 month responsibility period.

1.2 You obviously didn't read the part where I mentioned how users would only be liable to refund if they were unable to assist in the recovery or return of the account to the buyer and would not be allowed to demand a refund as that could possibly be exploited by people who grow old of an account and ask for a full refund.

1.2.1 This thread is to prevent users from selling accounts they are not sure if they wont be recovered, a user shouldn't be warned that there is a potential for recovery if they are buying from a reputable seller and paying a more expensive price because this person has a reputation, the account they are buying should reflect the security their reputation gives the buyer and justifies paying a higher price.

1.3 This is ridiculous, honestly all accounts you sell should be treated as you are the original owner, if you are unsure about the security of an account and think a customer may be at risk, that account should not be sold on sythe.

For 1.3 I have turned away many people who asked me to sell their accounts for the reason that when I sell an account I accept responsibility for at least 6 months and treat the account as if I was the OO. Which is what I'm pushing for... Sellers who want to not only profit but to protect their buyers and their reputation.

 

Il put this here for the people who think my suggestion is set in stone and not open to changes.

@Kanye The first and last sentence should answer your question.

 

The account section rules already require sellers to notify buyers on whether they are the OO or not.



Here's another scenario I want to run by you, and see how you'd propose it be handled. This isn't a straw argument, either. This is a pretty common scenario.


For argument's sake, let's use Video in our example.

Video is a large-scale account creator and seller. He creates starter accounts using fake domains and does not register any email address before selling (for the buyer's protection).
Being that he has created and sold hundreds of accounts, he does not retain recovery information on them.

Let's say I buy a starter account from him and never received ANY creation information. I train the account up, and decide to sell it two years later.
The account is clearly 100% safe, however, it would be impossible for me to recover the account. Video also would be of no use. The buyer is made aware and is okay with this.

According to all of your suggestions so far, the buyer could still lie and say the account was recovered. This would put me, Video, and the staff team who handles the report, into a very difficult situation.

Thoughts?

 

“The buyer is made aware and is ok with this.”

In this case anyone around the account market would know the only one who would be able to recover the account would be video in this example (even then the chance would be slim given it was a few years), but had the buyer been aware of this and agreed to the terms and the seller had made it clear that should problems arise it would be of their own fault thus removing the seller of that account from being forced to refund as the seller knew it was a starter account trained up and resold.

My issue with account sales is less about the start-up accounts like ironmen/early level accounts that haven't been played much outside the initial training, and more so with accounts being bought from other people and being re-sold under the illusion of trust (Ex. Video buying a max cape for $200 off some guy on ebay and selling it himself ps. Just an example don’t think video would ever do that) for a higher price and then said user being scot free when the person they originally bought it from recovers.

I understand it is a free market but sales like that are not in good taste for the health of the account market, it is my opinion that all account should be sold as if you are the OO (but still mentioned to your customer) and discuss a fair T.o.S for the account with some sort of minimum requirement beyond the 1 month currently in place.

I just think buyers should be able to make an informed decision on the account they are investing in on sythe. Not sold an account they thought was safe just to get recovered on and slapped with tos. If a buyer wants to buy a semi insecure account for a cheaper price all the power to them. But they should be able to make that decision for themselves and be WELL informed of the possible risks.

 

@IGotOwned

Video is a large-scale account creator and seller. He creates starter accounts using fake domains and does not register any email address before selling (for the buyer's protection).
Being that he has created and sold hundreds of accounts, he does not retain recovery information on them.

I'm not sure if you mean "if the account has no email registered he can't recover" because even if the account doesn't have an email registered the OO can always recover if he has creation details etc.

In regards to the selling section I think new commers or people without a large amount of vouches etc should have to verify high end accounts for sale.

Other than that the market is fine outside scammers coming weekly to fake sale accounts.

Yellow Hat

 

I’d be okay with this. The question of is how would they verify details or with whom?

 

Screenshare them logging in or gif that is hidden on the thread until a mod reviews it.

Then also the mod would receive the email to check on the DNT email thread for flagged accounts.

Yellow Hat