[DENIED] Offsite blackhat ⇒ TWC

[President]

Gentlemen,

By giving these criminals a platform we are (in)directly helping their businesses. I believe that Sythe should discourage this behavior and evoke any association with it. Blatantly stating that Sythe bans blackhat activities on-site is not enough because this barrier is easily bypassed. Amongst others with the birth of Discord which is universally used on Sythe. In other words -the market in a non-material sense- has transformed and Sythe should adapt to these changes.
Sythe should not be a platform that aids these criminals by bringing them in contact with the userbase without warning and gives them access to the gold-selling market. Note that the latter is a literal form of whitewashing (referring to various national courts/CoJ that ruled RSgp to be a currency that falls under international treaties combating whitewashing), which is a criminal act that Sythe, as it stands now, is deliberately allowing. There should be mechanisms that prevent an unknown trader from participating in this conduct. Right now, a trader cannot know if the providing party is whitewashing, even if Sythe is aware of this information. Additionally, people will indicate their Sythe rep for proof of legitimacy. I feel pretty uncomfortable buying gold under these circumstances, not knowing how my seller got it.
I'm aware that it is very hard to combat this in a practical sense, but I believe that there should be at least minimum measures taken against it.

Please note that I am aware that Sythe does allow botting platforms to voice themselves on Sythe, but there is a fine line between breaching the rules of rules RuneScape and criminal conduct.

Suggestions:
*S.O.M.A.-rank (Suspected offsite-malicious activities): If there is strong evidence that a user is conducting offsite-malicious activities that fall within the scope of what Sythe considers to be offsite-malicious activities (cracking, keylogging, etc.) see link: https://www.sythe.org/threads/3926618/
*TWC-rank: I prefer the latter option, but you won't hear me complain when this happens.

Feel free to add other suggestions. And even if you do not agree with my suggestions, I hope that everyone at least recognizes that this is a problem.

 

This is a free-trade BLACK market forum. Cracking/keylogging and other malicious activities are already forbidden for sythe users, and not taken lightly. I see your problem is that you might buy botted/hacked rsgp, but it's literally impossible to prevent these things.

If you have real proof("i think he does that" isn't proof), someone is involved in black-hat activities report them, and it will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[President]

This is a free-trade BLACK market forum. Cracking/keylogging and other malicious activities are already forbidden for sythe users, and not taken lightly. I see your problem is that you might buy botted/hacked rsgp, but it's literally impossible to prevent these things.

If you have real proof("i think he does that" isn't proof), someone is involved in black-hat activities report them, and it will be dealt with accordingly.

Check this out: https://www.sythe.org/threads/3926618/

Clear proof that there are offsite-blackhat activities. Yet, we cannot do anything against this with our current policy.

 

If people know about it and don't report it that would make them part of the issue. It is a banable offense for the sole reason that we don't want them on the site at all. Knowingly selling cracked accounts on Sythe is bannable.

 

Check this out: https://www.sythe.org/threads/3926618/

Clear proof that there are offsite-blackhat activities. Yet, we cannot do anything against this with our current policy.

That should be twc worthy for sure. I support you in this matter.

 

Support. People who carry bh activities off of sythe still use sythe to attract members to their discord server. Even if its not on sythe, sythe still plays a part in it. I hate this rule and feel if proof is given of bh offsite, it should still have consequences.

 

[skilling scott]

100% agree we have the ability to ban people for scamming off of sythe why not ability to do same with black hat activities??? Just cause you dont know the victim for alot of these doesnt mean there wasnt one should be treated same as if they where scamming the own members of sythe cause if they continue one day it will be!

 

[thisissparta1234]

Not sure why this is even allowed. Support. Again, lets point out the confusion in Sythe rules here:

1) Offsite scammers are not allowed to trade on sythe and banned
2) Offsite traders in hacked/stolen accs which ARE essentially scammers too, are ALLOWED
3) Yet, onsite trading in hacked/stolen accs is BANNABLE?

I get that you dont govern offsite stuff. Fine. Fair enough. So can any of the mods explain WHY offsite SCAMS ARE disallowed? What user A does outside of Sythe should be none of your business, right? I'm using the same logic yall keep throwing around on offsite stolen good trading back at you.

If user A CANNOT be proven to have scammed on Sythe, why should user A be banned for offences (HINT: TRADING IN STOLEN GOODS IS an offence too) offsite?r

Hmmmmm.... 1+1 = 9000?

 

[Lorenzo]

I support

 

Check this out: https://www.sythe.org/threads/3926618/

Clear proof that there are offsite-blackhat activities. Yet, we cannot do anything against this with our current policy.

See I didn't understand this at all. That report should have had something happen because of the nature of it. He's knowingly reselling cracked accounts, by his own admission. It's so easy to claim something like, "Well I didn't crack them, my friend did." How would we know? You're still selling them, which is making you part of the problem.

I support entirely. Any kind of blackhatting, even if reselling cracked accounts in a Discord you advertise, shouldn't be allowed. Even if not advertised, you're still partaking in it and putting others at an unnecessary risk.

 

[Vul]

I 100% agree, knowingly selling cracked accounts should be bannable. If you're unsure of an account's origin, offer a LIFETIME warranty.

If you are knowingly selling cracked accounts, but it cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and there is just suspicion, I can definitely see TWCing being a thing.

But that case above.. that guy KNOWS. No way he doesn't. That should 100% be a bannable offense.

Full support. Good on you for reporting that, sorry it wasn't handled though.

 

Support,

You can advertise other services/discords through Sythe and that will indirectly lead to a market where black-hat activities occur.

 

[Superfluous]

We decided to be a bit more tolerant when it comes to offsite blackhat activities. In general, when a blackhat offence does not directly or indirectly affect Sythe and its users, we will not issue a ban. If we feel like you are a danger to the Sythe community, it is indirectly affecting Sythe and will still warrant a ban. The rules have been updated to include this change.

To clarify, our judgement on many blackhat cases will still be the same. What this basically means is that we don't autoban for minor offsite blackhat anymore while we previously did. There are no strict guidelines, there have never been strict guidelines. Nothing changed there. We will look at everything case-by-case and do what we think is appropriate.

If you have been banned for offsite blackhat activities and you feel like your ban was unjustified, we advise you to create a dispute.

This is the actual rule.

Serious offenses still land people DNTs, and minor ones lead to no action. If something is particularly sketchy a TWC is merited, but defaulting to a TWC is overkill. No support.

And that case you guys are referencing does not involve cracked accounts being sold on Sythe. If there is no threat to other Sythe users, per the rule, then I think "no action" is appropriate.

 

This is the actual rule.

Serious offenses still land people DNTs, and minor ones lead to no action. If something is particularly sketchy a TWC is merited, but defaulting to a TWC is overkill. No support.

And that case you guys are referencing does not involve cracked accounts being sold on Sythe. If there is no threat to other Sythe users, per the rule, then I think "no action" is appropriate.

I feel like there needs to be a clear line of what's "minor" and what's "major" because leaving it in such a gray area is honestly a really bad look for the site. And what does that mean if it "does not directly or indirectly affect Sythe and its users?" You're saying if the offense isn't committed on Sythe, it's okay? When does it "directly" affect us? It needs to be clarified, in all honesty.

 

[President]

This is the actual rule.

Serious offenses still land people DNTs, and minor ones lead to no action. If something is particularly sketchy a TWC is merited, but defaulting to a TWC is overkill. No support.

And that case you guys are referencing does not involve cracked accounts being sold on Sythe. If there is no threat to other Sythe users, per the rule, then I think "no action" is appropriate.

To be honest I don't think your response reflects you're taking what we say seriously. Everyone is saying that this should be bannable, in other words; people feel like Status Quo is not optimal and sellers are potentially being duped; something should change. No offence, but it's kind of disrespectful to all of us if you respond by just saying "rules are rules" when people are blatantly saying that these rules should change.

 

yes i want to get told everything i can and cant do on the internet because i signed up for an online forum thanks please implement this

 

[thisissparta1234]

yes i want to get told everything i can and cant do on the internet because i signed up for an online forum thanks please implement this

So am I allowed to scam u and not be banned from this online forum? nO oNe cAn tElL mE wHaT 2 dO oN tHe iNtErNeT fOrUm

Psst. HaCkFoRuMs wants to know your location

 

[President]

yes i want to get told everything i can and cant do on the internet because i signed up for an online forum thanks please implement this

Are you serious? Cracking is illegal by criminal law. So yea, being associated with this is also a big booming positive thing.

Freedom ends where you infringe someone else's freedom.

 

Should be banned like I was for "NOT" doxing someone which is blackhat as well.

 

This is the actual rule.

Serious offenses still land people DNTs, and minor ones lead to no action. If something is particularly sketchy a TWC is merited, but defaulting to a TWC is overkill. No support.

And that case you guys are referencing does not involve cracked accounts being sold on Sythe. If there is no threat to other Sythe users, per the rule, then I think "no action" is appropriate.

I strongly disagree.

Anybody who is active on site has the ability to take people off site, usually to discords (the best example)

So if people are able to take people off site into a community where blackhat activities occur, who is to say that there is no threat to a Sythe user?