religion and choice.

[jaamal]

I would rather prefer St. Thomas Aquinus's views.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Aquinas

Which views? The views about Jesus really being the divine 1 in a humans body? That would support the Holy Trinity, the Holy Trinity is incorrect as well, but few Christians know that is came around during christendom. It was the time when all the disciples of Christ began to die and couldn't preach anymore. People then began to kill of anyone they couldn't convert to the christendom ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christendom

This is the only link I can find on it right now, even though it isn't that good, I will post more links when I get home before I go to work.

Again, there are better ways to do things. I'm sure God could have come up with one.

Like what God wanted a person that lived a human life to be able to also judge the all humans... Also he wanted to have Jesus set an example for all humans. Name 1 way other way this could have been done?

Oh, perhaps it was worth it, but Jesus does not literally need to take all sins in order to save humanity.

Why not, the reward is far better then the pain he suffered... And if you had the chance to accomplish world peace or wash away all the sins of the humans for you life, Wouldn't you?

 

[Shredderbeam]

My point is that God could accomplish all of this WITHOUT having Jesus take on the sins of humanity.

Anyway, we digress. Back on topic.

 

[imnotcrazy357]

This only applies to western religions(muslim, christian, judaism).

Theists believe that their god is omnipotent, or, putting it simply, has ultimate power. he can do whatever he wants.

Now, lets explore this a little.
If god has ultimate power, then time does not apply to him.
He can see the future, he can see the past, he can literally BE in the future or past at any time he wants.

I would agree. But I would say He is everywhere at once.

This means that he can see what is going to happen, before it happens.
So therefore, there is NO such thing as free will and choice. all our choices have been predetermined before we make them.

So either God is extremely immoral, or he is not omnipotent.

This makes no sense. Because He knows what happens this means that there is no free will?

There is free will in everything you choose. You can go jump off a bridge anytime you want. How does that make him immoral?


You have the choice to do what ever you want, correct?

Lets say I had a time machine, and I saw everything that happens in yourlife, how does that take away your free will if I never interfere with you, and your choices. Just because I know something doesn't mean that I am taking away your freewill.