Regarding Offical Middle Man Applications..

[Darkgroove]

Hehe, I now have 16, but still I need a few $100+'s and and all of the $200+'s



You're calling him out on it? How about the rest of the mods that have recently been promoted.

That was a joke, and I'm glad he took it as a joke, because It wasn't an attack at all. I've already stated that sythe's users have made the easiest method of getting promoted kissing ass. I hope people stay away from mine because I just had it waxed.

I'm just saying if you're going to have the OMM application cover all markets, you shouldn't change the standards because one game changed.

• I can't and won't MM WoW (sorry to everyone that likes the game).
• Xbox Trades rarely value at $200+.
• $200+ RuneScape traders want OMM's.

Basically, that leaves me stuck between a rock and a hard place (not to be cliche).

Well I disagree with you there. Jagex's updates (link method not working for pin trades, RWTing restrictions etc) have allowed us to expand to other games and thus allowed us to expand our markets to accommodate these games.

I don't MM WoW anymore, I don't specialise in it and everytime I get asked to do that type of trade, I forward the user on to someone else.
I don't do Xbox trades.
I've recently had a rise in the amount of people asking me to MM for them and complaining that other officials aren't on to do the trade. This is the time you ALL as trusted, untrusted, unofficial, whatever need to stand up and take the trades that we are unable to fill.

 

[xEldertoe]

That sounds very good to me .
Gl with that.

 

[lalmvpkobe]

I've recently had a rise in the amount of people asking me to MM for them and complaining that other officials aren't on to do the trade. This is the time you ALL as trusted, untrusted, unofficial, whatever need to stand up and take the trades that we are unable to fill

I know you think you are right but it doesnt work like that. They do stand up...but then they get shot back down. "SORRY WE ONLY WANT TO USE A OMM"

Their is a definte shortage of omms and this is a big promplem. Their is almost never a omm avaialable from what ive exspierieced and usually their away or busy.
THIS IS THE SOURCE OF MOST SCAMS ON SYTHE
what scammers will do is say "you go first or get omm you pay fees" Its already bad enough that their are fees but to make it worst it is impossible to get a omm like i said their alll usually offline or non responsive. After the buyer desperately looks for a omm and cant find one they ask this question "CANT WE JUST USE A TRUSTED MM?" now each and everytime the scammer will say

 

[lalmvpkobe]

"NO I ONLY USE OMMS"
This is when the desperate buyer makes a vital mistake. They say fine i will go firsti after talks on msn for awhile they pay then get scammed.

Dont you guys see we need more omms? The situation is so bad now that it is the most effective scamming method on sythe. You mods and admins need to be easier on the voting and reduce the requirements imo.

 

[Sin666]

It was told to me by Sin. So, yeah. ;o

And 117 Vouches is not trusted? Hah.

Please don't misquote me. >.>

I said that moderators don't usually review the trades in an application after an admin verifies them. Often, votes are based on what they know of the MM, as a person. Thus popularity is a factor - and it should be.

A user with weak ties to the community, or one who is perceived to be immature or unstable, is a more risky applicant than a mature one who has close friends here. The former has less to lose, and is more likely to react rashly to bad situations (case in point, Mountain Drew). Thus, whether a person is liked or not is certainly an aspect of the process; it's just not the only thing considered.

The application is the technical stuff: can the person MM, have they done enough trades, etc. The point of the vote is to weed out risky or potentially problematic applicants that the technical side may not catch. This 'weeding out' often has a lot to do with the MM's personality, and whether or not the staff trust him or her.

 

[Shin]

Please don't misquote me. >.>

I said that moderators don't usually review the trades in an application after an admin verifies them. Often, votes are based on what they know of the MM, as a person. Thus popularity is a factor - and it should be.

A user with weak ties to the community, or one who is perceived to be immature or unstable, is a more risky applicant than a mature one who has close friends here. The former has less to lose, and is more likely to react rashly to bad situations (case in point, Mountain Drew). Thus, whether a person is liked or not is certainly an aspect of the process; it's just not the only thing considered.

The application is the technical stuff: can the person MM, have they done enough trades, etc. The point of the vote is to weed out risky or potentially problematic applicants that the technical side may not catch. This 'weeding out' often has a lot to do with the MM's personality, and whether or not the staff trust him or her.

I looked over the chat logs, and you said that the vote is based on whether you have strong ties to the community or not. Kind of hard with the spam forum nonsense, but I bring that upon myself, do I not?
-And this is where I'll listen to Ryan. No more spam forum. >_O

I just find it awkward how you have to work so hard as to get an Application completed, and you're denied because there's a few people that dislike you on Sythe, and those few people make it look like a whole bunch.

Thanks for the input. ;o

That was a joke, and I'm glad he took it as a joke, because It wasn't an attack at all. I've already stated that sythe's users have made the easiest method of getting promoted kissing ass.

Yes. Darkgroove. <3

I remember back forever ago when me, Giddy, and MatthewGor123 all wanted to be a Mod. Then they both were promoted and I was sad, but... OH! I KNOW WHAT STORY TO WRITE!! *grabs pen and paper* ;o

I hope people stay away from mine because I just had it waxed.

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[I Sell I]

Just remove the 200$+ trades, it should work out this way.

 

[Darkgroove]

Pics or it didn't happen. [/FONT]

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[lalmvpkobe]

wow looks like i need to get my post count to 2000 so everyone can stop ignoring me -_-

 

[Darkgroove]

wow looks like i need to get my post count to 2000 so everyone can stop ignoring me -_-

The moment we get easier on voting, people like SlaveOfTheBeast get through the system and go on a scamming spree (I believe he got 200m before he was banned). Then we get all these feedback threads saying

SYTHE STAFF ARE SCAMMERS! THEY ARE CORRUPT!!! WE ASKED FOR IT BY ALLOWING LESS TRUSTED PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH AND NOW THEY'RE SCAMMING US!!!

 

[lalmvpkobe]

i wasnt here but im guessing he got through when becming a omm had way less requirements? anyways with curent requirements their are like 4 people that are anywhere close to becoming a omm. And they look good to me lol. but for examble why is unbnn3d not a omm?

 

[masterkiller]

First of all, mills were worth a lot more back in the day, 6-10 dollars each I believe so. At some point they were much lower, at 2-5 dollars a mill but things change. Look at all the official MMs that made it, but never became mod. Quite a few scammed. Look at all the ones that didn't make it, but completed their 25 MMs. They also scammed. Mdrew, Slaveofthebeast, s3xpert, etc.

Anyways, I don't believe the 25 MM's is the hardest part of the application. You quite underestimate the other part of the application.

 

[Louis]

That statement is contradicting.


I already told you my thoughts on Msn. I think the only people seriously going for OMM are Me, Tubba Lub, Kadaj, Feren.

Proof that it is way too hard;
Tubba - 20 (Claims to have 20, but after reviewing them he has 10, as the other 10 do not meet requirements, ie he had a $20 MM in the $100+ MM)
Magic Arrow- 8
Feren - 14
Kadaj - 5


From my knowledge
Kadaj' has quit because it is too hard.
Tubba Lub has left.


Seriously, that leaves me and Feren as the only REAL people trying and we still can't complete one. Imagine if there was a lot of people trying.

*ahem* if you'd like to check my application

 

[Darkgroove]

i wasnt here but im guessing he got through when becming a omm had way less requirements? anyways with curent requirements their are like 4 people that are anywhere close to becoming a omm. And they look good to me lol. but for examble why is unbnn3d not a omm?

They weren't way less, people still wanted to use OMM's for their trades and it was still a bitch to try and get people to MM for you with no vouches. The only difference back then was that we had pin trades, rsgp trades and account trades flying around the place because there wasn't any restrictions placed on RWTing. Now that there are restrictions, we need to update our process to allow for MM's from a wider range of games to come through. The new application process allows this.

As for those 4 people, I'm sure their hard work will pay off. They look good because they appear to be doing what they're supposed to be doing to get the rank.

As for unb4nn3d, he lost the vote (majority rules).

 

[Magic Arrow]

First of all, mills were worth a lot more back in the day, 6-10 dollars each I believe so. At some point they were much lower, at 2-5 dollars a mill but things change. Look at all the official MMs that made it, but never became mod. Quite a few scammed. Look at all the ones that didn't make it, but completed their 25 MMs. They also scammed. Mdrew, Slaveofthebeast, s3xpert, etc.

Anyways, I don't believe the 25 MM's is the hardest part of the application. You quite underestimate the other part of the application.

Quality, Matrix Ozzy, DUB. But why should we punished for their wrongs? I could surely use Vietballer, Daily, Sin, Ryan as examples.

*ahem* if you'd like to check my application

Sorry Louis

They weren't way less, people still wanted to use OMM's for their trades and it was still a bitch to try and get people to MM for you with no vouches. The only difference back then was that we had pin trades, rsgp trades and account trades flying around the place because there wasn't any restrictions placed on RWTing. Now that there are restrictions, we need to update our process to allow for MM's from a wider range of games to come through. The new application process allows this.

As for those 4 people, I'm sure their hard work will pay off. They look good because they appear to be doing what they're supposed to be doing to get the rank.

As for unb4nn3d, he lost the vote (majority rules).

Let's hope we/they have the perserverence.

 

[Darkgroove]

Quality, Matrix Ozzy, DUB. But why should we punished for their wrongs? I could surely use Vietballer, Daily, Sin, Ryan as examples.


Sorry Louis


Let's hope we/they have the perserverence.

You're not being punished. We are protecting the users of the market.

 

[Kadaj]

Agree with whoever stated this:

"When an OMM is never on, and people may have to use a trusted / other MM, the reply is always the same "Want an OMM"

I've personally had around 15 trades lately where i've been invited to a MSN conversation, said hello, it's been stated i'm not an official MM, and i'm left in a conversation with one person with the last message "sorry i want an OMM"
My reply is always the same - if they want an OMM, it's very unlikely they're going to get one.

The reason for this, there are hardly ever any OMM's on at all times, and the people who seriously want to get OMM because they are trusted in that aspect, can't get it.

And hey MA. I love you <3

 

*ahem* if you'd like to check my application

Same here. Haven't MM'd much lately but I'm sure going for it. It's the screen shots that make me not want to do it >.<

 

[Magic Arrow]

You're not being punished. We are protecting the users of the market.

Why are they being protected now and not earlier? I talked to Sin today and she said she wouldn't "Significantly" lower requirements. Now tell me, how does the maximum amount required go from $40-50 to $200 when trade are MUCH harder to get. If anybody has a better system than mine, than please tell.

 

[Darkgroove]

Why are they being protected now and not earlier? I talked to Sin today and she said she wouldn't "Significantly" lower requirements. Now tell me, how does the maximum amount required go from $40-50 to $200 when trade are MUCH harder to get. If anybody has a better system than mine, than please tell.

FFS read the thread. Numerous reasons were brought up to redo the system. It was old, outdated, too many people had gotten around it and it was time for a change. When the original application process came out, mills were at $15-$20 each. Do the maths, that's more than $40-50. The price of mills simply dropped. Do you see now why it was so easy to get around the system?