Regarding Offical Middle Man Applications..

[Feren Silver]

I almost gave up but I came back and started again, the requirements are kind of harsh, but I guess it may be necessary.

Yeah, but why should they be harder than previous OMM's?

I was pushing for a $300 trade aswell. Many accounts now are selling for much more than $200. Anyone could become an official MM, and wait until they get a $1000+ trade before they scam. The application needs to be harsh to keep out scammers. Get some staff to vouch for you and people should trust you. They are moronic like that you know?

Again though, HeavenLord tried explaining this to me. RuneScape accounts aren't the only thing traded across Sythe, so just due to an influx in their prices shouldn't change the standards of the whole OMM category. What if someone doesn't MM for RuneScape? What would make a new OMM any more likely to scam than a current one? I'd say less considering they went through a harder gauntlet to get there.

I know they wanted to set high standards, but I've practically given up because of them.

As have most people that've attempted it..

 

[Magic Arrow]

I find it all reasonable, it's what proves that you have trust and you won't scam.

So wait. You're saying that now people are more likely to scam than before? Why was it set so much harder than the previous one? These questions aren't answered.

Keep in mind, however, that accounts now sell for much higher than they did in the past. Previously, accounts were sold stripped of any item of value, and were worth only a raw number for their stats: now, almost all of them come with a full bank. Mills, previously sold in pieces, are frequently sold as bulk. The average trade value has certainly increased; as such, the MM requirements should too.

You should also keep in mind that the Black Market was much easier to trade with back then, and the amount of people trading was more significant than the current moment.

It's not a simple matter of quick math. The question is really what do accounts sell for, how often, and how many of those trades are the officials currently handling. If there are enough $200+ trades but the mods and officials are active enough to handle it, then there isn't a problem

How often are Un-Official MMs used?

I was pushing for a $300 trade aswell. Many accounts now are selling for much more than $200. Anyone could become an official MM, and wait until they get a $1000+ trade before they scam. The application needs to be harsh to keep out scammers. Get some staff to vouch for you and people should trust you. They are moronic like that you know?

Get some staff vouches? Hah. I have 16 (Including Ex-staff) and I still can't get close to getting it finished. I would prefer the older limit.

Yeah, but why should they be harder than previous OMM's?



Again though, HeavenLord tried explaining this to me. RuneScape accounts aren't the only thing traded across Sythe, so just due to an influx in their prices shouldn't change the standards of the whole OMM category. What if someone doesn't MM for RuneScape?



As have almost everyone that's attempted it..

Your font is annoying.



Here's my suggesting.
10 Trades involving pins.
8 Trades Up to $50
5 Trades between $50 and $100
2 Trades Over $100

Would be hard, but not impossible like the current one.

 

[Sin666]

No the problem is that no one is willing to risk their $200 account to a non-staff member. A majority of the $200 accounts don't get traded because:

• They can't get in contact with an OMM.
• They won't use a Trusted MM.
• Or one of the traders is scammed because one gives up and goes first.

Even so, that implies that the OMM's who do get trades get larger ones (or large ones more frequently) than they used to, and therefore we need to be able to trust them with more. Thus, a harder application is justified.

On the value of trades. Sure, accounts may have been removed of all the wealth, but a majority of that wealth was sold on Sythe (covering the 12m+ costs).

That wealth was broken up - sellers would take 5, 10m at a time. Whereas now, if they have 100m on an account and no way to move it, they may just unload the whole of it on whoever has a method to sell it with.

When the new applications were being designed, the numbers certainly were experimental. If they are lowered, the applications will probably still be more vigorous than they used to be. However, I would like to hear from other active market traders and active MM's what they think the new limits should be.

 

[Arboritor1435]

Ok first off, hi this is Conman3030 .

As stated earlier the requirements "back in the day" were much easier, yes. But when you look at how much the mills were worth ($6-10 each depending on how far back you look) then those 12m + trades were still at least $60+ and I'm not sure about the other OMM's but I had many trades that were over 30m that went towards my MM application thanks. So in hine sight, we were handling just as much money as you are supposed to be to count towards your application.

Sin also stated a very good point, all accounts that were sold, and I mean ALL accounts that were sold were stripped besides the acquired items such as a defender, fighter torso, fire cape etc. items that were un-tradeable. So the accounts that were going for $100 back then (yes there were lost I did many of them) would easily be worth $400 with the amount of money that would still be stashed away in the banks. I do believe however that it is much harder to find people to buy these accounts for this very reason, people just don't want to spend the $400 for the account opposed to the $100 even if it does have a hundred mill on it or so. But you still do have the mill trades that are going on that more than enough people are willing to use unofficial MM's for if you have been a active respected member for a long enough time.

One last thing that people should be taking into consideration is the number of official MM's that have been banned because of "scamming" whether or not they were accurate or not that is another matter. But when you look at the highly respected members that have been banned because of "scamming" and most weren't for very much when you take a look at their trading record, but this shows that some people no matter how trusted will scam no matter what they go through. Yes there were more people banned back then for scamming because it would have been a lot easier than today. The rules are still fair however it makes people think twice about scamming because of the tougher application requirements so yes it is actually more beneficial to have these requirements than you realize.

Edit:

When the new applications were being designed, the numbers certainly were experimental. If they are lowered, the applications will probably still be more vigorous than they used to be. However, I would like to hear from other active market traders and active MM's what they think the new limits should be.

Sin leave them where they are (from a "old buddy").









P.S Don't be hatin I haven't done anything wrong no matter what you may have heard

 

[Feren Silver]

Ok first off, hi this is Conman3030 .

One last thing that people should be taking into consideration is the number of official MM's that have been banned because of "scamming" whether or not they were accurate or not that is another matter. But when you look at the highly respected members that have been banned because of "scamming" and most weren't for very much when you take a look at their trading record, but this shows that some people no matter how trusted will scam no matter what they go through. Yes there were more people banned back then for scamming because it would have been a lot easier than today. The rules are still fair however it makes people think twice about scamming because of the tougher application requirements so yes it is actually more beneficial to have these requirements than you realize.

Edit:

Sin leave them where they are (from a "old buddy").









P.S Don't be hatin I haven't done anything wrong no matter what you may have heard

1. Hello ban evader.
   • If you aren't I'd love to here about you being an OMM with 54 posts.
   • I figure a mod\admin will have an explanation why you aren't banned.
2. I should be punished because previous trusted members and OMM scammed? Odd.
3. You typed about 5,000 words to make a simple point. Old members screwed up, we're being punished for it.

When the new applications were being designed, the numbers certainly were experimental. If they are lowered, the applications will probably still be more vigorous than they used to be. However, I would like to hear from other active market traders and active MM's what they think the new limits should be.

Alright, this sounds like a good improvement. I in no way expect it to be as the old one was. Hopefully we can find a common ground for the application to make it rigorous, yet achievable. I'm looking forward to a possible change.

 

[Arboritor1435]

1. Hello ban evader.
   • If you aren't I'd love to here about you being an OMM with 54 posts.
2. I should be punished because previous trusted members and OMM scammed? Odd.
3. You typed about 5,000 words to make a simple point. Old members screwed up, we're being punished for it.

Alright, this sounds like a good improvement. I in no way expect it to be as the old one was. Hopefully we can find a common ground for the application to make it rigorous, yet achievable. I'm looking forward to a possible change.

Theres a reason why I posted with who I am thanks.

Yes did type a quite long explanation because I know how some people love to read something and if they don't have all of the information they just throw it aside.

But apparently you didn't read those 5,000 words because not all of what I said is that the old OMM's screwed up, it has been modified to the current market.

 

[Feren Silver]

Theres a reason why I posted with who I am thanks.

Yes did type a quite long explanation because I know how some people love to read something and if they don't have all of the information they just throw it aside.

But apparently you didn't read those 5,000 words because not all of what I said is that the old OMM's screwed up, it has been modified to the current market.

Yet again. One RuneScape aspect changed, why should the whole OMM process be changed? There are more markets than just RuneScape.

/Bye bye ban evader.

 

[r 0w12]

I think the standards right now are perfect. However I do feel we need more officially MMs.

 

[Magic Arrow]

I think the standards right now are perfect. However I do feel we need more officially MMs.

That statement is contradicting.

Even so, that implies that the OMM's who do get trades get larger ones (or large ones more frequently) than they used to, and therefore we need to be able to trust them with more. Thus, a harder application is justified.



That wealth was broken up - sellers would take 5, 10m at a time. Whereas now, if they have 100m on an account and no way to move it, they may just unload the whole of it on whoever has a method to sell it with.

When the new applications were being designed, the numbers certainly were experimental. If they are lowered, the applications will probably still be more vigorous than they used to be. However, I would like to hear from other active market traders and active MM's what they think the new limits should be.

I already told you my thoughts on Msn. I think the only people seriously going for OMM are Me, Tubba Lub, Kadaj, Feren.

Proof that it is way too hard;
Tubba - 20 (Claims to have 20, but after reviewing them he has 10, as the other 10 do not meet requirements, ie he had a $20 MM in the $100+ MM)
Magic Arrow- 8
Feren - 14
Kadaj - 5


From my knowledge
Kadaj' has quit because it is too hard.
Tubba Lub has left.


Seriously, that leaves me and Feren as the only REAL people trying and we still can't complete one. Imagine if there was a lot of people trying.

 

[r 0w12]

That statement is contradicting.

Not necessarily I think if you complete the OMM you should be accepted. For example why was Unb4nn3d's OMM denied?

Tbh though Magic I would trust you with a 200$+ trade, its just that why would you use a regular/trusted MM instead of an OMM when dealing with large amounts of money?

 

[Spazz]

Not necessarily I think if you complete the OMM you should be accepted. For example why was Unb4nn3d's OMM denied?

Tbh though Magic I would trust you with a 200$+ trade, its just that why would you use a regular/trusted MM instead of an OMM when dealing with large amounts of money?

It is contradicting and unb4nn3d's OMM application was denied because the sythe.org staff voted against it.

 

[Darkgroove]

I'm sure everyone would think your OMM App would actually be treated as an application, but it absolutely doesn't. Basically, you have to complete an application just for the Staff to vote on you. They don't vote on your application for the skill and effort put forth, and the professionalism within, but is all based on a popularity vote.

That's bullshit and you know it. If you're not trusted, you won't even be considered for the job. That's the point of voting.

Feren Silver:
The original price of gp was $20, and it eventually shrank to the $3-$5 standard we had before the anti-rwting methods were put into place.

One aspect of RS didn't change. The game was completely tilted upside down and hung from a tree so that little children could beat it with a stick. They completely abolished GP trading, there isn't a large amount of people wanting to go through the process of 1-3m /hour for a 100m trade. It's just not worth it anymore, so we've adapted it to suit what currently is popular for people to buy/sell. And as stated before, this way the appliaction process isn't limited to RS. Real life items, WoW and steam are still fantastic ways to get your application proofs up (I remember I had 3 WoW trades and a steam trade in my application that was accepted).

 

[Shin]

That's bullshit and you know it. If you're not trusted, you won't even be considered for the job. That's the point of voting.

It was told to me by Sin. So, yeah. ;o

And 117 Vouches is not trusted? Hah.

 

[Darkgroove]

It was told to me by Sin. So, yeah. ;o

And 117 Vouches is not trusted? Hah.

I said you won't be considered if you're not trusted. You were considered, and you were denied.

Well I don't agree with Sin. The globals/admins need to know that you're trustworthy before they vote for you. People have just set the standard at kissing global ass.

 

[lalmvpkobe]

Tbh though Magic I would trust you with a 200$+ trade, its just that why would you use a regular/trusted MM instead of an OMM when dealing with large amounts of money?

This is an absoultely perfect resoning to why becoming a omm is so hard. If people are doing big trades they will want a omm which is a resonable request. Why would someone choose a mm instead of a omm for a high price trade? That is the whole reason why omms exitst. I think it would be better if u deleted the over 200 dollar requirement and added more over 100 dollar requirements. THis is fair because most people will be fine with using a mm for 100 dollars but anything over 200 dollars and they will be headed toward a omm.


I also agree with a previous point. I think the staff should reconsider the voting process. Becoming a mm is already hard enough but to add in a voting process it hurts. Imagine doing all this near impossible work. Just to hear "sorry we voted and we dont like you...application denied".

 

[lalmvpkobe]

can a mod please merge my post? im using ps3 and it has a text limit.

anyways i think it would be better if omms were automatically accepted if they had all the info and requirements for a omm application and as LONG AS THEIR IS NOTHING MAJOR ON THIER RECORD TO DEEM THEM UNTRUSTWORTHY.

this means that you shouldnt be denied simply because staff dont like you.

POPULARITY DOES NOT EQUAL TRUSTABILITY

 

[Shin]

I said you won't be considered if you're not trusted. You were considered, and you were denied.

My apologies. ;o

Well I don't agree with Sin. The globals/admins need to know that you're trustworthy before they vote for you. People have just set the standard at kissing global ass.

Eh. I could absolutely believe it. Half the staff, if not more, hate me anyways. I could care less frankly.

And as for kissing Global ass. Eff that. I'd rather just complete a second application under the new standards. If that's denied, then I'd be fairly sure the methods and Staff on Sythe are corrupt.

 

[Darkgroove]

My apologies. ;o


Eh. I could absolutely believe it. Half the staff, if not more, hate me anyways. I could care less frankly.

And as for kissing Global ass. Eff that. I'd rather just complete a second application under the new standards. If that's denied, then I'd be fairly sure the methods and Staff on Sythe are corrupt.

Numerous members on this forum would say that you've already kissed global ass, and possibly liked it (jking )

 

[Shin]

Numerous members on this forum would say that you've already kissed global ass, and possibly liked it (jking )

Bahahahhahahahhahaa. :love:

On topic:
Since I am an 'active MM', would I be allowed then to make any suggestions to update the current MM'ing process?

I'm not sure exactly what could be edited, however, as I kind of like how the process is now. However, for some things it may be difficult to decide which amount of money things go under.
IE: Account for Account Swap

 

[Feren Silver]

I already told you my thoughts on Msn. I think the only people seriously going for OMM are Me, Tubba Lub, Kadaj, Feren.

Proof that it is way too hard;
Tubba - 20 (Claims to have 20, but after reviewing them he has 10, as the other 10 do not meet requirements, ie he had a $20 MM in the $100+ MM)
Magic Arrow- 8
Feren - 14
Kadaj - 5


From my knowledge
Kadaj' has quit because it is too hard.
Tubba Lub has left.


Seriously, that leaves me and Feren as the only REAL people trying and we still can't complete one. Imagine if there was a lot of people trying.

Hehe, I now have 16, but still I need a few $100+'s and and all of the $200+'s

Numerous members on this forum would say that you've already kissed global ass, and possibly liked it (jking )

You're calling him out on it? How about the rest of the mods that have recently been promoted.

I'm just saying if you're going to have the OMM application cover all markets, you shouldn't change the standards because one game changed.

• I can't and won't MM WoW (sorry to everyone that likes the game).
• Xbox Trades rarely value at $200+.
• $200+ RuneScape traders want OMM's.

Basically, that leaves me stuck between a rock and a hard place (not to be cliche).