Police Brutality

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The first video it looks like the purp tries to grab something on or near the cop and run. Why the cop shot is beyond me; however, showing a video out of context with just the shooting, and not the buildup to that, is silly. Anyone can take something out of context and just show a shooting for a negative reaction. I'd want to know what happened before that point before I make any more judgements.

The second video, you cannot see exactly what happened. I do see the driver's hand flash in the side window before the cop shoots. Potentially he had a weapon? I don't know, but same as the first. For this one though, you don't know. You're in a dangerous situation, you have your gun drawn (which means the call was presumably someone was armed) and the driver immediately tries to bolt. You have no idea what the driver is going to do.

 

Really? I've been stopped by a police officer before, so has every white person I know. How about, "no police thefts/assaults at all", instead of "we need to make sure whites are being targeted at the same rate as other races".

Honestly, people are absolute fucking morons if they think that race ever needs to be mentioned at all if they are discussing how police commit horrible actions against other people. The entire issue of police brutality is derailed by what the fucking skin color of the people involved were.

Thank you, this is what I've been failing to articulate.

 

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The first video it looks like the purp tries to grab something on or near the cop and run. Why the cop shot is beyond me; however, showing a video out of context with just the shooting, and not the buildup to that, is silly. Anyone can take something out of context and just show a shooting for a negative reaction. I'd want to know what happened before that point before I make any more judgements.

The second video, you cannot see exactly what happened. I do see the driver's hand flash in the side window before the cop shoots. Potentially he had a weapon? I don't know, but same as the first. For this one though, you don't know. You're in a dangerous situation, you have your gun drawn (which means the call was presumably someone was armed) and the driver immediately tries to bolt. You have no idea what the driver is going to do.

The first video the man tried to grab the cops taser and he was unsuccessful so he ran away and was murdered in cold blood by the cop, the cop is even caught on video planting the taser on the man's dead body to make it look like the man was armed.

In the 2nd video the 19 year old teen had no weapon. I believe he was caught selling marijuana or something of the sort and the cop busted him. Instead of calling for backup or chasing down the teen like a regular cop is supposed to, he took matters into his own hands and unnecessarily shot the teen multiple times.


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Really? I've been stopped by a police officer before, so has every white person I know. How about, "no police thefts/assaults at all", instead of "we need to make sure whites are being targeted at the same rate as other races".

Honestly, people are absolute fucking morons if they think that race ever needs to be mentioned at all if they are discussing how police commit horrible actions against other people. The entire issue of police brutality is derailed by what the fucking skin color of the people involved were.

Well since a specific race is being disproportionately targeted at an alarming rate more so than other races, what would you call that? It's pretty damn obvious that race would be a factor here. They assume because they are of a certain skin tone, that they are more likely to have x on them.

It's the same mentality with muslims.

 

The first video the man tried to grab the cops taser and he was unsuccessful so he ran away and was murdered in cold blood by the cop, the cop is even caught on video planting the taser on the man's dead body to make it look like the man was armed.

In the 2nd video the 19 year old teen had no weapon. I believe he was caught selling marijuana or something of the sort and the cop busted him. Instead of calling for backup or chasing down the teen like a regular cop is supposed to, he took matters into his own hands and unnecessarily shot the teen multiple times.


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Let's approach the argument in another manner. For every video of a police using unnecessary force, there are multiple videos where a police offer is either murdered, seriously injured, or used necessary force when faced with a situation like that. Again, you'll want to consider the intensity of the situation. Anything can happen out there. For respect, I won't share any stories that I've heard, and even one that I've witnessed; however, you'd be surprised exactly how a human feels when faced with that situation.

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[Xier0]

Well since a specific race is being disproportionately targeted at an alarming rate more so than other races, what would you call that? It's pretty damn obvious that race would be a factor here. They assume because they are of a certain skin tone, that they are more likely to have x on them.

So the aim here is to make sure that races are targeted & jailed, fined, killed at a proportionate rate? The race shit is just misdirection that masks the real problem of the fact that the police state allows this to occur to people of any race. There are millions of people jailed & fined every year for nonviolent "crime", and it is police brutality regardless of the victim or perpetrator's race. So, instead of actually addressing the police policy & laws that allow officers to walk all over citizens without consequence, people just witch hunt for "racist" officers and call the job finished.

It's the same mentality with muslims.

Elaborate. What mentality, and how does it apply to muslims?

 

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I highly suggest you try to go through some life/death situation training. My dad is an officer so I had the chance to do so when I was 18, and it's scary. You start to understand why they don't always make the best decisions. But when you find out that you end up shooting in a completely innocent scenario, it really hits home. Considering how often these dangerous encounters are, they tend to make the best decision the majority of the time.

I can be sympathetic to this argument if it was say 1 cop. However, people are generally most disgusted where there are not 1, nor 2, but a whole army of cops to restrain one person. Sometimes cops might do work that is relatively more dangerous than the average person, and in some moments, they definitely might not make the most rational decisions, especially if they are new. That is fine. That argument loses its luster when cops automatically assume the suspect is guilty rather than innocent, and the cop relies on force as the first method, as opposed to exhausting other options first. A trigger happy cop is put in less danger, than a cop that pulls the trigger only when absolutely necessary. All those distinctions, as I said earlier, go out the window when you have 20 cops. All of what I have also applies to real life/death scenarios, as opposed to a lot of police brutality scenario's where the biggest threat to the cops life is diabetes.

Also, I think it would be the case that cops being more trigger happy leads to people disliking cops and being less compliant, which leads cops to be more apprehensive and trigger happy, subsequently leading people to be less compliant and disrespectful. What you find now is that people have no respect for the cops, and I would imagine that wasn't the case decades ago (perhaps I'm wrong there).

 

So the aim here is to make sure that races are targeted & jailed, fined, killed at a proportionate rate? The race shit is just misdirection that masks the real problem of the fact that the police state allows this to occur to people of any race. There are millions of people jailed & fined every year for nonviolent "crime", and it is police brutality regardless of the victim or perpetrator's race. So, instead of actually addressing the police policy & laws that allow officers to walk all over citizens without consequence, people just witch hunt for "racist" officers and call the job finished.

At the heart of the Floyd case are statistics showing that the city conducted an astounding 4.4 million stops between January 2004 and June 2012. Of these, only 6 percent resulted in arrests and 6 percent resulted in summonses. In other words, 88 percent of the 4.4 million stops resulted in no further action — meaning a vast majority of those stopped were doing nothing wrong. More than half of all people stopped were frisked, yet only 1.5 percent of frisks found weapons. In about 83 percent of cases, the person stopped was black or Hispanic, even though the two groups accounted for just over half the population.

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This isn't a "the police only target blacks" thing. This is a "the police disproportionately target blacks" thing.

Elaborate. What mentality, and how does it apply to muslims?

Surely you are kidding, no? The mentality that because they are of a certain background, they are more likely to behave in a certain manner, and because of this, they are targeted more so than others.

#Islamophobia

 

[Xier0]

This isn't a "the police only target blacks" thing. This is a "the police disproportionately target blacks" thing.

This is a "Police are targeting PEOPLE" problem. Police targeting white people is just as bad as people targeting black people. Sorry to let you know that. All lives matter, not just black lives.

Surely you are kidding, no? The mentality that because they are of a certain background, they are more likely to behave in a certain manner, and because of this, they are targeted more so than others.

#Islamophobia

First of all, "Islamophobia" is not a real thing. Muslims believe that Mohammad, who was a child molester warlord, speaks the divine word of god. This includes that only Islamic law must followed as absolute law, which means mandatory executions of gays, people who renounce the Muslim faith, women who have sex outside of marriage (including non-consensual rape), conquering of infidels & the rape and enslavement of other people who do not accept Islam.

This text is not ambiguous. If you are a Muslim (that is, anyone who believes Mohammad was a prophet of god), you believe in fundamental aggressive violence against anyone who doesn't submit to your religion, and should be treated that way.

 

This is a "Police are targeting PEOPLE" problem. Police targeting white people is just as bad as people targeting black people. Sorry to let you know that. All lives matter, not just black lives.

This is common sense. Is it not a problem that a specific race is being targeted at an alarming rate, more so than any other? Like the article says, only 1.5% of 83% frisked Hispanic/African American citizens had weapons on them. I believe it is a problem, and it's the reason why I addressed it in this thread.

First of all, "Islamophobia" is not a real thing. Muslims believe that Mohammad, who was a child molester warlord, speaks the divine word of god. This includes that only Islamic law must followed as absolute law, which means mandatory executions of gays, people who renounce the Muslim faith, women who have sex outside of marriage (including non-consensual rape), conquering of infidels & the rape and enslavement of other people who do not accept Islam.

This text is not ambiguous. If you are a Muslim (that is, anyone who believes Mohammad was a prophet of god), you believe in fundamental aggressive violence against anyone who doesn't submit to your religion, and should be treated that way.

Christianity is any better? Let's stone homosexuals to death and promote slavery! /s

I don't see anyone showing the same aversion for christianity as they do with Islam. I wonder why.

Islamphobia is not a real thing, what?

Defintion of phobia: an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

There are many Americans who fear the religion, irrationally at that. Ever heard of gun stores refusing to offer their service to muslims because of their religion?

Oklahoma gun store declares 'Muslim-free zone'

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This is a "Police are targeting PEOPLE" problem. Police targeting white people is just as bad as people targeting black people. Sorry to let you know that. All lives matter, not just black lives.





First of all, "Islamophobia" is not a real thing. Muslims believe that Mohammad, who was a child molester warlord, speaks the divine word of god. This includes that only Islamic law must followed as absolute law, which means mandatory executions of gays, people who renounce the Muslim faith, women who have sex outside of marriage (including non-consensual rape), conquering of infidels & the rape and enslavement of other people who do not accept Islam.

This text is not ambiguous. If you are a Muslim (that is, anyone who believes Mohammad was a prophet of god), you believe in fundamental aggressive violence against anyone who doesn't submit to your religion, and should be treated that way.

What race are you? Just curious

 

I can be sympathetic to this argument if it was say 1 cop. However, people are generally most disgusted where there are not 1, nor 2, but a whole army of cops to restrain one person. Sometimes cops might do work that is relatively more dangerous than the average person, and in some moments, they definitely might not make the most rational decisions, especially if they are new. That is fine. That argument loses its luster when cops automatically assume the suspect is guilty rather than innocent, and the cop relies on force as the first method, as opposed to exhausting other options first. A trigger happy cop is put in less danger, than a cop that pulls the trigger only when absolutely necessary. All those distinctions, as I said earlier, go out the window when you have 20 cops. All of what I have also applies to real life/death scenarios, as opposed to a lot of police brutality scenario's where the biggest threat to the cops life is diabetes.

Also, I think it would be the case that cops being more trigger happy leads to people disliking cops and being less compliant, which leads cops to be more apprehensive and trigger happy, subsequently leading people to be less compliant and disrespectful. What you find now is that people have no respect for the cops, and I would imagine that wasn't the case decades ago (perhaps I'm wrong there).

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...nn-officer-shot-to-death-during-traffic-stop/ - During a routine traffic stop, an officer was shot upon walking up to the driver's side of the vehicle. As quoted by one of the bystanders: "You don't expect to see that, so you're kind of thinking 'Did that really happen?' "

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...r-Involved-Shooting-in-Hayward-318111931.html - Another police officer shot when approaching the driver's window. Car was reported to have been driving erratically, and the driver shot without warning immediately.

https://www.odmp.org/officer/22640-police-officer-daniel-webster - Who just died today. The purp faked an injury, only to take the officer's weapon and shoot him.

https://www.odmp.org/officer/22607-police-officer-gregory-thomas-alia - When the purp took off, they chased him into a mall. The purp then took out a weapon and fatally shot an officer.

... and plenty more. You never know what's going to happen. Yes cops make mistakes, but at the end of the day, compliance is key. If you put them in a dangerous situation where you have to fear for your life, such as the Michael Brown case, they may shoot you in order to preserve their lives. Because if they don't, it might be you who lives, and not them.

 

I'm sure everyone here has seen the numerous videos of police brutality in America, most of the videos are online involve African Americans. What do you guys think about this? Do you guys think the police officers are just doing their job or are they abusing their power? Do you think the police officers should be punished for things like this? Do you think African Americans are being targeted by police and police are way more violent to African Americans? I wanna hear you guys opinions!

Police brutality doesnt just center around african americans. Thats just what catch's the media's attention and the countless sheep. I am a white american citizen and my rights have been trampled on. I was attacked and ripped out of my home october 29 2014. Exactly one year ago the police came to my residence at 5:30 am to conduct a "Knock and Talk". I answered the door and they immediately said they smelled "burnt weed" and ripped me outside. I was able to shut my door in the process thankfully. They proceeded to try and force their way into my home with out a search warrant or arrest warrant. I refused to allow them access. After telling the main detective to stop yelling that i had neighbors they lost their patience. 1 cop grabbed me by my right arm as another grabbed my left arm. The main detective who i told to stop yelling then applied pressure just under my neck. They used so much force the stucco wall of my home penetrated into the back of my skull and they bruised both of my arms just above my arm pit. The officer applying pressure to my neck/top chest then struck me with a knee just above my knee. It completely buckled my right leg but i didnt fall. I was held up by the pressure being applied from the cops. I was then placed in hand cuffs "detained" for my safety and the officers safety. They told me to sit and in the process of sitting i was shoved face first into the ground. All i kept saying is why are you doing this?? They wanted access to my home and i wouldnt allow it. They told me they had probable cause when they smelled the "burnt weed". I told them to get a search warrant signed and to suck my dick. I must admit i was extremely angry at this point. They told me they did this for a living and no matter what they were going into my home. I told them i had a very large dog who would welcome them. ( My dog was freaking out trying to help me) They told me they would shoot my dog about 10 different times over the course of me telling them to go fuck themselves. They entered my back yard (trespassing sign/ dog sign clearly posted) They even opened my door slightly to yell into the home to see if anyone else was in it. My dog immediately slammed into the door and i took great satisfaction in knowing none of them wanted to fuck with my dog. I was then placed in side a cop car while they proceeded to write a search warrant to get signed by a judge. They tried several times doing good cop/bad cop to keep from having to wake a judge up so early. I continued to refuse them access to my home. I was able to hear them doctor up a search warrant with several lies and misleading statements. I was then released from my detainment. (though while being in handcuffs i asked them to loosen them slightly due to how tight they were) I was told they were new cuffs and "needed to be broken in".... Apparently this is a running joke with scumbag cunt officers. Several told me the same statement through the rest of my day. Eventually after being told theyd shoot my dog i was able to make shift a leashe. They wouldnt allow me to grab anything from my home and made me walk barefoot with no keys, shoes, shirt, wallet or phone. I walked 2 miles to a friends house and contacted a lawyer. Eventually they entered my home several hours later and destroyed it. They ripped tiles off the wall in the shower "thought i had weed hid behind it?" broke a bedroom window and even ate some of our food. All in all i had about 2 ounces in my home and several bongs, bowls, vaporizers and other assorted tools for getting baked. They had about 15 officers at my house at the time of the knock and talk lol. Wasnt a knock and talk it was a all out attack. My rights were trampled and i was attacked. Nothing i could do, my word against theirs. I hired a good lawyer and fought the charges. Took a year but i settled for misdemeanor probation. I get early term in january if im successful. I will never allow myself to be in this position again. My home didnt smell like burnt weed because i had fallen asleep around 1 am. I hadnt smoked in hours and it was a cool night. We had several windows open and fans running. They knew i had weed in my home because of other reasons. They lied to get access plain and simple. I will never open my door again when a cop knocks. I will speak through the door. I will never give them the ability to use open air as a access point. If they attempt to enter my home with out a search warrant or arrest warrant i will open fire. I have rights and i will defend them this time to my fullest ability.

Cops are supposed to protect and serve. When was the last time you actually felt that they protected and served you as a citizen? I only feel intimidation and nervousness when being followed by a cop or just at a gas station. Doesnt matter if i have something illegal on me or not. They use scare tactics, lies and jail to get what they want. I will never help a officer in need and i will for damn sure shoot one if he ever attempts to harm me again.

 

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[Xier0]

This is common sense.

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Is it not a problem that a specific race is being targeted at an alarming rate, more so than any other? Like the article says, only 1.5% of 83% frisked Hispanic/African American citizens had weapons on them. I believe it is a problem, and it's the reason why I addressed it in this thread.

...Holy shit, how many times does this have to be told to you? ALL POLICE ABUSE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. It doesn't matter what race the victim is! Police shouldn't frisk ANYONE, I don't give a FUCK what RACE the victims are are police frisking. The goal should not to make police abuse and brutality "race neutral" any more than we would want sickle cell anemia to be race neutral --- it would be better if no one suffered from either, regardless of their race!

Christianity is any better? Let's stone homosexuals to death and promote slavery! /s

Literally when did I mention Christianity, at all?

I don't see anyone showing the same aversion for christianity as they do with Islam. I wonder why.

I would guess it's because hoards of Christians don't murder people because they don't believe in the same god as them (at least not for 1000 years or so).

Islamphobia is not a real thing, what?

Defintion of phobia: an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something.

If someone truely believes that they have been commanded by god to kill you, plunder your possessions, and rape your family members, it wouldn't be an irrational fear would it? We already know ahead of time the intention of Islam: Conquer the world, kill all unbelievers.

There are many Americans who fear the religion, irrationally at that. Ever heard of gun stores refusing to offer their service to muslims because of their religion?

Oklahoma gun store declares 'Muslim-free zone'

#notarealthingtho

If you owned a gun store, and someone came up to the counter asking to buy a gun, and you know that they believe they have been commanded by god to kill everyone you know, I would figure it would be extremely irresponsible to sell a weapon to someone you know believes they have the god-granted right to kill masses of innocent people. Would you sell a gun to a white person/non muslim who expressed the same views?

Honestly how many people in this discussion actually live in America? Cops dont just target one race. In my opinion the only color they care about is green. The more traffic stops, arrests and court dates they create the more possibility of revenue for the state. Now in my experience lower income area's have higher crime rates. Most lower income area's are higher levels of minorities. Higher level of violent crimes are committed in these area's resulting in cops patrolling these area's more often. A higher percentage of white people live in better living conditions and area's. The reason more black people are arrested and attacked is because of their living area. You just have a higher probability of encountering a police officer in the hood then you do in a gated fucking community. These encounters lead to in proper registration, licence issues, drugs along with a whole assortment of other shit. These can lead to violent acts or attempts to run which usually lead to horrible out comes for most. Now i 100% believe our government and police state we created is way to powerful. These morons they give guns and a licence to kill need to be hung, rocked to death or straight up dragged behind a truck. However to say its a racist thing is fucking retarded... Please stop watching CNN for your daily racist documentary. Poor white people get brutality attacked and killed as well they just dont put that on the news station. Its politically correct to call every single white person racist now a days. Way to go America...

Fucking nailed it bro.

 

[malakadang]

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sh...nn-officer-shot-to-death-during-traffic-stop/ - During a routine traffic stop, an officer was shot upon walking up to the driver's side of the vehicle. As quoted by one of the bystanders: "You don't expect to see that, so you're kind of thinking 'Did that really happen?' "

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...r-Involved-Shooting-in-Hayward-318111931.html - Another police officer shot when approaching the driver's window. Car was reported to have been driving erratically, and the driver shot without warning immediately.

https://www.odmp.org/officer/22640-police-officer-daniel-webster - Who just died today. The purp faked an injury, only to take the officer's weapon and shoot him.

https://www.odmp.org/officer/22607-police-officer-gregory-thomas-alia - When the purp took off, they chased him into a mall. The purp then took out a weapon and fatally shot an officer.

... and plenty more. You never know what's going to happen. Yes cops make mistakes, but at the end of the day, compliance is key. If you put them in a dangerous situation where you have to fear for your life, such as the Michael Brown case, they may shoot you in order to preserve their lives. Because if they don't, it might be you who lives, and not them.

Both the shooting of the police for no reason, and proper police brutality are unacceptable. The police however voluntarily undertake to participate in such danger, whereas citizens are presumed innocent before guilty, and have implicitly elected not to participate in such danger.

Compliance is all good and well, but if you non-comply by being mildly disrespectful to the cop, but not anymore disrespectful than you might be to a non-cop approaching you in that manner, and you say that automatically makes the situation dangerous. Is the citizen then allowed to shoot the cop? No, they would be hung. But the cop is allowed to shoot the citizen because of the dangerous situation. A dangerous situation for the cop is also a dangerous situation for the citizen. The cop however is paid to handle dangerous situation professionally, whereas ordinary citizens are not.

I agree people should comply in order to avoid being shot and to avoid the potential for a power-trip, alongside also just seeing whats-up first before being defensive. The fact that trivial non-compliance can lead to dangerous situations which justifies cops reaching for their firearms is absurd. Yes I agree it's a dangerous job in that respect, choose another if you can't handle it.

I think we both agree on the extremes; obvious police brutality being unacceptable, as is shooting cops. I would also agree that the job can, at times, be dangerous. Where we are disagreeing I think, is that I hold that since cops voluntarily offer themselves for employment in these dangerous situations, that they cannot now rely on these dangerous situations to prioritize their lives above the lives of citizens. If they shoot an innocent citizen, they should be punished. Perhaps if this is drilled into cops more, their salary would increase (because less people would join as they would be unqualified) and only true professionals would be in the police force, where at the moment, its reputation is tainted by stereotypical donut-cops, and trigger-happy cops. What would, hopefully restore the reputation, and reduce unnecessary police-citizen interactions, would be for both citizens to be more compliant, and simultaneously cops being better trained (not trying to be smart asses would help, such as pretending to know the law when they are wrong; they should also be discharged for such behaviour).

 

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...Holy shit, how many times does this have to be told to you? ALL POLICE ABUSE SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. It doesn't matter what race the victim is! Police shouldn't frisk ANYONE, I don't give a FUCK what RACE the victims are are police frisking. The goal should not to make police abuse and brutality "race neutral" any more than we would want sickle cell anemia to be race neutral --- it would be better if no one suffered from either, regardless of their race!




Literally when did I mention Christianity, at all?



I would guess it's because hoards of Christians don't murder people because they don't believe in the same god as them (at least not for 1000 years or so).



If someone truely believes that they have been commanded by god to kill you, plunder your possessions, and rape your family members, it wouldn't be an irrational fear would it? We already know ahead of time the intention of Islam: Conquer the world, kill all unbelievers.



If you owned a gun store, and someone came up to the counter asking to buy a gun, and you know that they believe they have been commanded by god to kill everyone you know, I would figure it would be extremely irresponsible to sell a weapon to someone you know believes they have the god-granted right to kill masses of innocent people. Would you sell a gun to a white person/non muslim who expressed the same views?



Fucking nailed it bro.

You still don't get it.

Police targeting white people is just as bad as people targeting black people.

This isn't about it not being "just as bad" (once again that's common sense), this is about the act being disproportionately assessed to specific people purposely.

That's great that you don't want cops to get frisk anyone, but that still doesn't negate what's being done, as it will continue to be a thing.

Let me draw up a similar scenario for you, and mimic your response.

There are 1 million people living in Georgetown. The demographic residents of the area are as followed.

Whites - 53%
Blacks - 24%
Hispanic - 20%
Other - 3%

Let's tally the number of times the Georgetown police pulls over ongoing cars for no plausible reason in the area, and search through their belongings (it's legal to do so in Georgetown).

Whites are stopped and searched 13% of the time
Blacks are stopped and searched 48% of the time
Hispanics are stopped and searched 36% of the time
Others are stopped and searched 2% of the time

Reports show there being a disparity in cars being pulled over and searched based on race.

Blacks and Hispanics don't make up half of the town's population, but are stopped 84% of the time. Out of the 84% searched, only 4.3% were arrested for possessing firearms or drugs.

Your response to the report:

Xier0: Whites are stopped and pulled over by the cops too. There is no racism involved, and suggesting such is ridiculous.

Me: It shows in the report that whites are stopped too. This however is not the main issue here. It's about the startling disparity in cars being stopped based on race.

Xier0: It doesn't matter what race the victim is. The act of pulling people over and searching through their belongings shouldn't be allowed without probable cause.

Me: We can all agree to that, but that still does nothing for the issue I'm sharing. Your inability to acknowledge the disparity, and redirecting the cause, not the effect, shows your bias here.

Literally when did I mention Christianity, at all?

We're talking about America right? Which religion is most prevalent here? Christianity.

Eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Most of the rest, 13 percent, have no religion. That leaves just 4 percent as adherents of all non-Christian religions combined — Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and a smattering of individual mentions.

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If someone truely believes that they have been commanded by god to kill you, plunder your possessions, and rape your family members, it wouldn't be an irrational fear would it? We already know ahead of time the intention of Islam: Conquer the world, kill all unbelievers.

Where are you getting this from? You're stereotyping (just like the gun dealer) a religion based on the radical believers who interpret the religion differently. By banning all muslims from his shop, he believes they are all capable of doing the same acts as these radical believers, therefore making his judgment irrational.

If you owned a gun store, and someone came up to the counter asking to buy a gun, and you know that they believe they have been commanded by god to kill everyone you know, I would figure it would be extremely irresponsible to sell a weapon to someone you know believes they have the god-granted right to kill masses of innocent people. Would you sell a gun to a white person/non muslim who expressed the same views?

Me assuming that they interpret the religion the same as radical believers would make me an ignorant bigot.

Are you an advocate of condemning people based on stereotypes? It seems like it.

Once upon a time, Christianity was interpreted in a way that allowed for Slavery to be a thing. Let's label all non-black Christians as supporters of slavery and see where that gets us.

 

[Xier0]

That's great that you don't want cops to get frisk anyone, but that still doesn't negate what's being done, as it will continue to be a thing.

You are being absurd. Put aside your bias for one second and think about it philosophically and see just how horrid that statement I just quoted is. In order to say a race to be disproportionately targeted by a negative thing, you must first acknowledge that the negative thing is occurring at all.

If right now, you could snap your fingers, and make it so more white people would be searched & detained, attacked, etc by police, so that the proportion of whites & minorities were equally targeted by police bullies: Would anyone be better off? No. Would the problem be solved? No. Any racial balance of victims is completely non-sequitur.

We're talking about America right? Which religion is most prevalent here? Christianity.

Are you shitposting? No... You mentioned Islam specifically, and so called "Islamophobia"

It's the same mentality with muslims.

Surely you are kidding, no? The mentality that because they are of a certain background, they are more likely to behave in a certain manner, and because of this, they are targeted more so than others.

#Islamophobia

Don't try to back your way out of this by moving the goalposts to Christianity. We are talking about ISLAM

Where are you getting this from? You're stereotyping (just like the gun dealer) a religion based on the radical believers who interpret the religion differently. By banning all muslims from his shop, he believes they are all capable of doing the same acts as these radical believers, therefore making his judgment irrational.

There is no other "interpretation", the writings and actions of Mohammad are unambiguous and straightforward. He was a warlord pedophile who conquered and killed a lot of people. Crimes against humanity are being committed on a widespread scale in Islamic dominated areas where gays, unbelievers, etc are being executed. A 75 year old man is currently facing 350 lashes (a death sentence) in Saudi Arabia for being caught by Muslims with homemade wine. The Islamic holy texts are littered with passages about killing and enslaving infidels. To be a Muslim & worship or follow this man seems worse than worshiping or following Hitler


++Nazis

-Leader exterminated groups of people, gays, political opponents, invaded other countries
-Calls other races subhumans, advocates for enslavement & mass killings of gays, other races

++Islam

--Leader exterminated groups of people, gays, political opponents, invaded other countries
--Calls other races infidels, advocates for enslavement & mass killings of gays, other races
--Completely strips women of rights, women will be put to death for having sex outside of marriage, driving a car, being out in public without a male owner
--Death penalty for anyone who renounces Islam

 

Both the shooting of the police for no reason, and proper police brutality are unacceptable. The police however voluntarily undertake to participate in such danger, whereas citizens are presumed innocent before guilty, and have implicitly elected not to participate in such danger.

Compliance is all good and well, but if you non-comply by being mildly disrespectful to the cop, but not anymore disrespectful than you might be to a non-cop approaching you in that manner, and you say that automatically makes the situation dangerous. Is the citizen then allowed to shoot the cop? No, they would be hung. But the cop is allowed to shoot the citizen because of the dangerous situation. A dangerous situation for the cop is also a dangerous situation for the citizen. The cop however is paid to handle dangerous situation professionally, whereas ordinary citizens are not.

I agree people should comply in order to avoid being shot and to avoid the potential for a power-trip, alongside also just seeing whats-up first before being defensive. The fact that trivial non-compliance can lead to dangerous situations which justifies cops reaching for their firearms is absurd. Yes I agree it's a dangerous job in that respect, choose another if you can't handle it.

I think we both agree on the extremes; obvious police brutality being unacceptable, as is shooting cops. I would also agree that the job can, at times, be dangerous. Where we are disagreeing I think, is that I hold that since cops voluntarily offer themselves for employment in these dangerous situations, that they cannot now rely on these dangerous situations to prioritize their lives above the lives of citizens. If they shoot an innocent citizen, they should be punished. Perhaps if this is drilled into cops more, their salary would increase (because less people would join as they would be unqualified) and only true professionals would be in the police force, where at the moment, its reputation is tainted by stereotypical donut-cops, and trigger-happy cops. What would, hopefully restore the reputation, and reduce unnecessary police-citizen interactions, would be for both citizens to be more compliant, and simultaneously cops being better trained (not trying to be smart asses would help, such as pretending to know the law when they are wrong; they should also be discharged for such behaviour).

So your basic argument is that police are treated unfairly, in that they're able to use force when citizens are not. Yes, this is entirely true. That is actually apart of their job. If you do not comply with the commands of an officer, but decide to charge at him, I am not sure what you expect from them, when they are wielding a weapon and do not know what you're trying to do.

I'm all for better training and more training. Overweight cops who look down at the public are despicable, so we agree on that point. Here is a scenario for you to consider:

You're walking down a hall, and see a bigger guy bullying some small guy. You, trying to be a good person, call him out and tell him to stop. He turns towards you, and starts to quickly walk to you. As he gets closer, he reaches in his pocket. Do you feel safe? If you had a method of protection, would you use it? Would you pull out a knife, taser, or even gun to protect yourself? Many would. In that instance, it's either you or them.