Pinlines=Illegal.

[Syed]

Wait, if nobody gets charged, then who pays for the pin?
You can't just get free pins, Jagex has to get paid first.

That's the only part I'm not sure of, I believe Surfpin pays for it(?).

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

Deducing this from Syed's and others' posts, I think the Telstra reseller line gets charged out of its phone bill, which is infinite, so surfpin must end up paying for the pin. UNLESS surfpin is the company creating X number of pins per month for Jagex. If this is the case, then it seems the pin is just free.

 

[blindkilla]

Pin lines don't work like that.

A ******** is essentially a line tester used by re-seller companies of telstra, all they do is test a line, now in the case of any 1-900 number it works just like a regular phone, and you can get the pin. NOBODY gets charged though. (I may be wrong)

I think you have a valid point. Unless we know exactly how this stuff works, then there is no sense speculating.

We may just be getting way ahead of ourselves with all this.

 

[Glyder]

Pinlines are like drugs, they are both illegal, they should be stopped. But hey! As long as Sythe stays outta shit with Fagex, who cares? All this is a back and forth fight (this and that)...

 

[Atled6543]

As long as they work, I don't give a fuck about how they were obtained. Buying PINs for the retail value of $7.95 then selling for $4.00 is obviously not making the seller any profit. Since we have PIN lines, PINs are cheap, which is to the benefit of everyone.

 

[Minner]

Really don't care, as long as I get my pin at a low cost and I do not get prosecuted for it, I'm fine.

 

[itsboom]

As long as they work, I don't give a fuck about how they were obtained. Buying PINs for the retail value of $7.95 then selling for $4.00 is obviously not making the seller any profit. Since we have PIN lines, PINs are cheap, which is to the benefit of everyone.

Do you think that selling phished CC numbers would be fine?

 

[E-Z Trade]

Pinlines are allowed while botnets and keyloggers aren't because they aren't malicious to other users. Yes, they are illegal, and yes someone is getting cheated along the line somewhere, but it's some multi-billion dollar corporation in Australia. Sythe's first interest is to protect it's users and in the case of pinlines and pinsellers, they aren't harming anyone so it's once again on that "We won't ask" and "You won't tell us" policy.
Violating Jagex ToS isn't illegal, it's just violating their ToS.

^^ This.
PINLINES DONT SCAM A SINGLE PERSON!

 

[v3-]

Pinlines are allowed while botnets and keyloggers aren't because they aren't malicious to other users. Yes, they are illegal, and yes someone is getting cheated along the line somewhere, but it's some multi-billion dollar corporation in Australia. Sythe's first interest is to protect it's users and in the case of pinlines and pinsellers, they aren't harming anyone so it's once again on that "We won't ask" and "You won't tell us" policy.

Staples is a multi billion dollar company. Would Sythe.org allow Staples employees to sell a bunch of stolen netbooks at cut rate prices on here? Just curious, I mean the time is takes to get a return on a rebate from that place is outrageous, they might as well be crooks right?


Stealing is stealing, whether you feel like you're playing some glorified Robin Hood or not, at the end of the day you're just trying to line your own pockets by supporting theft from others.

The policy should be the same as Sythe's policy on selling stolen goods. If it is proven that you are selling stolen goods, you will be permanently banned.

Double Standards.

 

[took.too.long]

I'm going to end this discussion once and for all. Verts would never say such a thing, you get the quote and the link to the thread that its posted on and i will mail you my left testicle. 2nd of all The statement said before was that you can be banned for selling ********s, or getting caught using them, but they dont ask people how they obtain pins, they could just buy em and sell em for lower if they like LOTS of online rep for a cost. hey, its cheaper than spyike's form of it, so whatever, discussion is over IMO until you find that quote and link to thread and post, in which i will reply with a small box containing my left testicle


I KNOW verts well enough to know she KNOWS the rules more than sythe does himself and would never say such a thing

 

[v3-]

I'm going to end this discussion once and for all. Verts would never say such a thing, you get the quote and the link to the thread that its posted on and i will mail you my left testicle. 2nd of all The statement said before was that you can be banned for selling ********s, or getting caught using them, but they dont ask people how they obtain pins, they could just buy em and sell em for lower if they like LOTS of online rep for a cost. hey, its cheaper than spyike's form of it, so whatever, discussion is over IMO until you find that quote and link to thread and post, in which i will reply with a small box containing my left testicle


I KNOW verts well enough to know she KNOWS the rules more than sythe does himself and would never say such a thing

http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=6807221#post6807221

We no longer punish for buying/selling/discussing pinlines, but any such discussion is removed.

You're paying the shipping.

 

[kingpin]

Almost all people selling pins on this site sell AUS SMS pins, 99% of which are obtained by pinlines. Many of these members may not use the pinline themselves, but they are still distributing stolen merchandise. So almost all pin sellers are guilty of this.

Its pay by phone not SMS

 

[theezakje]

Alot of confusion in here.
I tried to google some information,
but it seems to be highly illegal to me.

 

[HeavenLord]

Eh, I mean Sythe's current policy with pinlines is a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of thing which is fine by me (I don't even know what they are). I don't really see a problem with them.

 

[Trusted_Seller]

It is illegal. I feel it as some staff covering up for other staff and possibly friends. The staff are not bias on rules in any fucking way!

Illegal is Illegal and SHOULD NOT be aloud.

In Jagex TOC it states. you cannot individually sell and distribute pins... I'm pretty sure anyways, not 100%

 

[redawsomeness]

It's in Jagex's terms. It's like saying that selling RuneScape accounts and gold are illegal. It is in their terms but it is not illegal in anyway. I have seen topics all over different forums discussing this and account selling and how they are illegal but tons of people point out that they are not illegal and they prove it. As long as the person selling you the pin did not steal it and obtained it legally (i.e. SwagBucks, Prize Rebel, etc.), they are allowed to sell it. It may be against Jagex's TOS, but they can't find out in anyway and it's not illegal because you were given that card legally. So yeah...theres my answer.

 

[Qualityâ„¢]

It is illegal. I feel it as some staff covering up for other staff and possibly friends. The staff are not bias on rules in any fucking way!

Illegal is Illegal and SHOULD NOT be aloud.

In Jagex TOC it states. you cannot individually sell and distribute pins... I'm pretty sure anyways, not 100%

the bold part . thats why this is call BLACK MARKET for a reason .

and for pinlines . staff dont have a way to check if the pins were obtained from a pinlines . people might sell pins at like $3.50 each because they can get it from their phone and the parents just pay for the bills without asking the price ? its like an extra allowence for the guy . though is not much ...

 

[WeRnIE]

It's illegal, talked with Jagex membership support about that.

 

[blindkilla]

the bold part . thats why this is call BLACK MARKET for a reason .

and for pinlines . staff dont have a way to check if the pins were obtained from a pinlines . people might sell pins at like $3.50 each because they can get it from their phone and the parents just pay for the bills without asking the price ? its like an extra allowence for the guy . though is not much ...

I highly doubt that is ever the case. The parents would be basically throwing money away. Might as well give them to the kid. Plus, they would notice the charges on the phone bill and ask questions.

 

[shadow knight]

It's illegal, talked with Jagex membership support about that.

bullshit? i myself havent herd of these pinlines, but dont wanna ask how they work cause i dont wanna get banned or nothing. should i avoid buying aus pbp pins?