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Pin Scammers - The Solution

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Pin Scammers - The Solution

Introduction
- This isn't a "LOLZ GET RID OF SCAMMERS" thread.
- I would very much like to see one or all of my ideas taken seriously
- I have been watching the sythe pin market for a very long time, and all my observations have been seen and are not at all false.


The Observations
- There are alot of pin scammers (no brainer)
- People are selling saying "Official MM or You First" To make them seem legit
- There are alot of long-time pin scammers (explained later)
- Alot of noobs can't tell trusted from untrusted people
- There is too short supply of pins
- Pins are too low priced.

The Solutions​

Solution 1: More Official MMs

This solution is quite a no brainer and i'm presuming is already in place. But i'm posting it here just to pretty much say that it will help.

Pin sellers are getting away with sayin "Official MM or You First". This is because they know that there won't be an Official MM on, or the buyer won't be prepared to pay the fees, or the seller will just be able to leave the convo if an official mm is added. By saying this, the seller is able to appear legit.

The obvious solution: More official MMs, Not only does this allow official mms to be on, it lessens the demand for them, meaning that they are more likely to charge less or do more pin trades. Pretty simple solution, and im pretty sure Sythe is looking for as many official MMs as possible already :).

Solution 2: TWC

This solution is designed directly to stop 2 problems.
The first problem is there are long time pin scammers, by this i mean, people who are able to scam over 10 pins, and still remain unbanned. Even though these people, have no or faked vouches, and multiple reports of being scammers, they remain on sythe, unbanned, and still scamming.
The second problem is that people new to sythe don't know how to tell if someone is trusted or not, thus resulting in them trading with someone untrustworthy even though they may or may not have reports of being a scammer.

The solution is already with us: Three simple words, Trade With Caution (TWC). At current, TWC is being used for those who are scammers, but have resolved their ways, i.e. proved to be a scammer, but payed back and said it was a one-off/mistake. However, it is used for other things. I suggest that the Trade With Caution be used for what its purpose is. I propose that TWC be awarded to those who appear to have scammed people multiple times, the long-time pin scammers. By doing this, you are not only eliminating their chances to scam, but you are also creating awareness for those new members.

I would suggest that TWC be done by, Globals (if they have time), Market Mods or a specifically designed TWC mod. Whos job it is to sniff out those untrustworthy and scamming members of sythe.

Solution 3: Verified Pin Shops

This solution is able to get rid of a few pin scammers, but mainly to show whos trusted and whos not. It can also fix the demand and pricing on pins.

This is taken from my other site, www.no-wai.org.

The solution is: Verified Pin Stalls. We at sythe have a decent amount of trusted pin sellers, these pin sellers are put in with all the other pin sellers, and often dont stand out. The result is that new comers can't tell the difference between the trusted and untrusted people. If we were to have a verified pin seller section, totally locked off for new threads, where a mod could move the very trusted pin sellers thread, then the new comers would be able to see hows trustworthy, and who is the best to buy from. The glory of the verified pin stall, infact, is that it encourages good pin sellers. If people are seen as good pin sellers, they are able to raise their prices and get more customers, it gives pin sellers a good goal and a good reward for their work. It also means people can charge what pins are worth.

And after all, who are the people getting scammed the most and end up complaining that sythe is such a bad place? The new-comers that come here for membership.

You may be asking now... How can we tell if someone is trustworthy enough for a verified pin stall?
I have thought of a way to determine this. Much like the Official MM app. And it is: (note this is a very rough sketch)
- 20/25/30 pins sold successfully
- No faked vouches
- No OR FEW suspect trades
- 30 or so vouches
- A vouche from a more trusted member (like the official MM one)

By this we are able to determine whether they deserve a verified pin stall or not :D

Conclusion
- I hope you enjoyed reading this and agree with some or all of my points :)
- Thank you for taking the time to read this and hopefully you post your thoughts
- I see these solutions as ways to get rid of sythe's bad reputation
and stop alot of the pin scammers here
- I think that it will also encourage alot of proper pin sales.
- Sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes that got you annoyed :D
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These are all great ideas, i like the Verified Pin Stall Suggestion the most as i am buying Pins quite a lot nowadays and 95% of the Thjreads in the MemberShip Pin Sales Forum are Corrupted with Scammers >_< I was talking to you for a bit on msn, and you are making a lot of sense with these ideas :) 100% Agreed!
 
in33d4w33d said:
Well Recnuob, I think thats a Very Good idea to stop scammers But there no way of stoping scammers from scamming pins even legit peeps on sythe do still scam. so ye
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Of course, there is no way to completely stop trusted people from going crazy and scamming, but with the use of these solutions, you stop the majority of the "noob" pin scammers from scamming. And with the use of TWC or Market Mods you are able to stop "trusted" scammers pretty quickly.

The fact of the matter is, there are always going to be a few scammers, but its rediculous how people with 100 posts and 3 fake vouches (the ones i am mainly targetting with the solutions) are scamming people every day. These solutions don't intend to stop those few rogue "trusted" scammers.
 
Recnuob, I tottallyyy Agrree with you there isnt much sellers because of the price range i think they should hit the price up to around 4 - 5M then we will have some descent sellers in sythe. Look at it this way ur paying $5 - 12$ for a pin and u going to sell it fr 1 - 1.5M a pin i dont think its worth selling, and most of them people sell at 1 - 1.5M a pin are prob scammers.
 
in33d4w33d, your exactly on the money, thats why no-one sells, i cbf'd to put that in my thread because i thought it was long enough, but that is why no-one sells.
 
in33d4w33d said:
Recnuob, I tottallyyy Agrree with you there isnt much sellers because of the price range i think they should hit the price up to around 4 - 5M then we will have some descent sellers in sythe. Look at it this way ur paying $5 - 12$ for a pin and u going to sell it fr 1 - 1.5M a pin i dont think its worth selling, and most of them people sell at 1 - 1.5M a pin are prob scammers.
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To be honest, if the Prices of Pins went up to 4-5m, not many people would by Pins really, i know i wouldn't :P The reason i buy Pins off Sythe, is because i'm Buying/Trading Loads of Accounts, and had already spent my monthly Pin allowance on my Main, so i have to resort to buying a Pin off here. 1-1.5m Isn't too bad for me because if i get the Account Recovered, i just lose 1-1.5m + what i payed for the Account, which isn't too bad as i try to buy nooby ones :P But if the Pin Costs twice as much as the Account, i'd have to either Spend most of my money on a Pin, or wait a month and not get Membership for my main, in which if i get scammed and the Account is Recovered, i won't have Membership on my main for a month either >_<
But that's probably my nooby opinion, many people will say otherwise
 
In reality, pins wouldn't go up to 4-5m
I predict that max 3m, but most likely somewhere around 2m, because alot of pin sellers seem to get these "phr33 pinz"
 
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Recnuob said:
In reality, pins wouldn't go up to 4-5m
I predict that max 3m, but most likely somewhere around 2m, because alot of pin sellers seem to get these "phr33 pinz"
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Yeah i think that's another reason for the low price of Pins, people who become pretty good at getting free pins don't really fell like waiting for people to buy for 2m, so they just lower the price to the scammers prices as they get many pins
 
twc moderators would really help and having a big fat juicy mother f**ker of a twc icon would aswell

agreed and sealed :)
 
These are some very neat ideas, especially the verified shops section.
It's been put in place on no-wai already where it's quite successful seeing the low scam rate there.

However, the "More officials" idea seems quite.. Difficult.

Official MM's go through a horribly difficult selection process, and even then have to undergo manual checking and voting on whether to become official or not.
You should know, your going through it.

That's all to make sure no official MM will end up scamming, and it's necessary. Last thing we need is scamming officials.
Not much we can do about "more" officials.

The rest of the ideas are great though, can't see any major flaws in them. :)
 
Well spoken, although globals and other such cannot give out TWC ranks, as its through the admincp, but they should have a stickie on staff lounge for members who need TWC ranks.

I love your ideas and couldn't be much from the truth. Great work, i actually hope this suggestion gets used; i dont know about the trusted pin sellers idea though.. Could cause more damage than good...
 
As a buyer, I wouldn't like pins to increase in price. Whatever, free pins are always available at teenchat.com D:
 
Also i think MMs should have a color so they are easily found if they are online, if colors are for staff, maybe just making their names bold, so members can see who is online and if their there, then bang.. easily identifed...

I find it silly that staff need colors more than MM's who the heck worked that out? MM's are needed more than staff IMO, and need to be identified quickly and easily, the MM list is usless to be honest aswell, it should have a script on it, so it tells when the MM is on the forums and such...

I mean just these fews things would make a huge different, but then do the admin really care???? At the end of the day, thats the thoughts they are leaving me
 
i would just like to point out... nobody wants to pay 300k fees for a 900k trade...
 
also, why doesnt sythe steal the idea that fagex has thread requirements, its not a bad idea, too many 1-50 post people scam, just a suggestion =)
 
kewl suggestions recnuob
and as cool372 said...go die scammers =O
 
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