No Fee Bond Holders

[RSPhreak]

I support this, especially when several users said they would offer bond services for free.

 

[Chris]

I support this statement, Maybe we could put something in the FAQ of user center.

Support this if my suggestion in OP gets denied.

Also Chris thanks for actually using logic to debate this with me and not just being a brick wall when it comes to opinions. Makes for a much better conversation than when im talking to others on this site.

Np

 

No support. I can charge whatever i wanted for the service i provide, if you don't like it then don't use me its as simple as that.

Same goes for gold trading, skilling / questing services, etc.

Some users really need to learn to stop bitching, its annoying!

 

[Xier0]

No support. I can charge whatever i wanted for the service i provide, if you don't like it then don't use me its as simple as that.

Same goes for gold trading, skilling / questing services, etc.

Some users really need to learn to stop bitching, its annoying!

Granted, but given that bond holding is exclusive, and donations are a benefit to the site, it may not be beneficial overall for a small group of people to be able to upcharge for that service.

 

[sellinanbuyinrsgold]

No support. I can charge whatever i wanted for the service i provide, if you don't like it then don't use me its as simple as that.

Same goes for gold trading, skilling / questing services, etc.

Some users really need to learn to stop bitching, its annoying!

''I can charge whatever i wanted for the service i provide''
But being a bond holder is a privilege. It's not the same as starting a questing or gold business of your own where you set the prices on everything. The product isn't yours, it's something that belongs to Sythe. You could say ''$50 for $5 donation'', true but nobody would use you if there is another person for cheaper.

''if you don't like it then don't use me its as simple as that.''
Same logic as setting prices for a product in the market, except this isn't something you own. It's Sythe giving you the option to make money while benefiting them. If someone charges back you don't lose a product. But then again if you weren't a bond holder you wouldn't be gaining anything anyways.

Granted, but given that bond holding is exclusive, and donations are a benefit to the site, it may not be beneficial overall for a small group of people to be able to upcharge for that service.

Xier0 just said what I was trying to but he worded it much better.

 

No support. I can charge whatever i wanted for the service i provide, if you don't like it then don't use me its as simple as that.

Same goes for gold trading, skilling / questing services, etc.

Some users really need to learn to stop bitching, its annoying!

This isn't bitching. It's a suggestion to try to get bond holders such as yourself to lower/remove your fees when taking rsgp as a form of payment for donations. I understand the need for a fee on PayPal payment, but on rsgp? And such a high one, at that. It's kept people from donating in the past, and I'm sure that will continue unless some rules are set. Ultimately, it could hurt Sythe to be losing out on donations because some bond holders charge such high fees, turning people off from donating. Which is why I supported.

 

[riwu]

When i created that thread i wasn't aware that direct donation will be available after donating $5 (cant find anywhere that says that!)

Since only the first $5 requires going through a bond holder i guess it isn't a big deal as you would only be making a one-time $2-3 loss, so meh.

Though the donation page should have given the direct Paypal option and states there 'only available for >$5 donors' instead of hiding it until you donated...

 

When i created that thread i wasn't aware that direct donation will be available after donating $5 (cant find anywhere that says that!)

Since only the first $5 requires going through a bond holder i guess it isn't a big deal as you would only be making a one-time $2-3 loss, so meh.

Though the donation page should have given the direct Paypal option and states there 'only available for >$5 donors' instead of hiding it until you donated...

There are smaller requirements as well, other than the $5 donor status (2 weeks on sythe, 100+ posts), before you can donate directly through PayPal. Regardless, I agree it should be more visible.

 

[Tbo]

I think it was stated before- nobody will do it without pay..
Even though that's the case, it should be way less of a merch...

 

No support. Being a bond holder is a volunteer service, and you're not only putting money down into a bond but also spending time helping people out and potentially putting yourself at risk. No one is really profiting from this, anything they "make" pretty much covers PP fee/charge backs from people/account bans/resets/ etc.

For what you're suggesting you'd have to do very restrictive things such as set a rsgp rate which they have to accept at, etc.

tl;dr no no no

Also just to add, this is practically denied the second Sythe looks at it.

 

[Delta Squad]

I agree, and i find it sad that fuckwits are making money off donations, but alas if you do not agree with their methods, why not start your own donation service?

if i recall correctly a year or so ago some people were making as much as $5 from a $5 donation, charging people $10 to donate $5 lol...



also if you really can't stand it, just mail a $5 payment in, and then start donating directly. hell back in the day i just gave firez $5 worth of rsgp and got $5 worth of donation, and have used paypal since.

 

[sellinanbuyinrsgold]

I think it was stated before- nobody will do it without pay..
Even though that's the case, it should be way less of a merch...

I doubt that nobody wouldn't do it without pay. I'd be one willing and I'm sure others would too.

 

i think that everyone has the wrong impression of bond holders, i believe alot of them most of the time base the price of their prices off the market value of gold, aka they know they can dump x amount of gold for x amount of dollars instantly, so i would imagine alot of the time the bond holder is making between nothing and a few cents per sythe donation they do.

Plus it does take time and effort for people to do sythe donations for people, if they were charging $10 worth of gold at gold seller dump price for a $5 donation rank then i would see a problem with it, other than that i see no problem with the way bond holders currently operate.

 

[EzSkinsEzLife]

I think this is a good idea tbh...
I can completely understand charging on paypal payments, but you can get around this by using a smurf paypal so any chargebacks happen, just make a new PP.

but yes - if it ain't paypal then what is the reason for charging? Being a bond holder is kinda like a treasurer for a charity, they do it to help the cause...

 

What are we discussing here.. like 2/3$ extra on a 5$ donation to get direct requirements?

 

[Tyler]

What are we discussing here.. like 2/3$ extra on a 5$ donation to get direct requirements?

alot of people dont know the requirements to donate for yourself as me and chris discussed in this thread that should be changed.

 

Yeah, 'tis a question I have to answer frequently and not even all staff members seem to know the requirements.

I will actually contact Matt about adding that on the Make a Donation page. The "Paypal" option should be greyed and have a padlock or something and the hover giving the requirements to unlock (or something similar).

As for bond holders charging for their time and security - I don't think it's an issue really. The small fee on top of donations protects them from chargebacks from other people.

 

[Chris]

Yeah, 'tis a question I have to answer frequently and not even all staff members seem to know the requirements.

I will actually contact Matt about adding that on the Make a Donation page. The "Paypal" option should be greyed and have a padlock or something and the hover giving the requirements to unlock (or something similar).

As for bond holders charging for their time and security - I don't think it's an issue really. The small fee on top of donations protects them from chargebacks from other people.

I agree with charging fees on Paypal donations, but why rsgp, etc? But if the majority of sythe users could be made much more aware of donating straight to sythe via paypal with the few requirements that'd be great at the very least.

 

If you take a donation via PP, and it's chargedback - the fees on the RSGP donation should - in theory - cover the losses on the PP donation, for example.

 

[Moes]

If you take a donation via PP, and it's chargedback - the fees on the RSGP donation should - in theory - cover the losses on the PP donation, for example.

When someone disputes a PayPal payment I can just cancel the donation and get the bond balance back. I don't charge a fee on donations to cover the losses on disputed payments but I charge a fee because those donations are very time consuming especially those Runescape donations.