No Fee Bond Holders

[Dil]

When somebody disputes a PayPal payment I can just cancel the donation and get the bond balance back. I don't charge a fee on donations to cover the losses on disputed payments but I charge a fee because those donations are wasting a lot of my time especially those Runescape donations.

So you charge fees on RSGP because sometimes they waste your time.

What m8?

 

[Moes]

Exactly, they are time consuming.

 

[Tyler]

When someone disputes a PayPal payment I can just cancel the donation and get the bond balance back. I don't charge a fee on donations to cover the losses on disputed payments but I charge a fee because those donations are very time consuming especially those Runescape donations.

I wasnt aware we could do this, but at the same time the money is taken out of your pp and put into the bond. and we cant take money out of bond for our pp so that would still be money out of your pocket until somebody else donates for the same worth.

So you charge fees on RSGP because sometimes they waste your time.

What m8?

I do not know of any millionares who dont value their time greatly, on the flip side its probably common that no homeless or unsuccessful people valued their time.

alot of OMM's also charge for their time regardless of whether or not the trade goes through.

 

[Chris]

Exactly, they are time consuming.

This brings me to what I said in the beginning, Mods do it for free, why can't you? You get free vouches, and free advertising in the User Center. No one forced you to be a bond holder, you are doing it out of your own free will.

 

[uJesternWind]

I wasnt aware we could do this, but at the same time the money is taken out of your pp and put into the bond. and we cant take money out of bond for our pp so that would still be money out of your pocket until somebody else donates for the same worth.

But it would be money out of your own pocket anyways, as even before the scam sale the money would already be in your donation bond.


Support this idea.

 

[Lorenzo]

Moes that was super ignorant. You chose to do it so don't sick back on the argument of oh it wastes my time because if that's how you feel than don't be a bond holder.

 

[Tyler]

But it would be money out of your own pocket anyways, as even before the scam sale the money would already be in your donation bond.
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Your talking about something you don't know. Most bond holders don't pre load our bonds because if we get banned it gets applied to our account. I receive payment then upload to bond then process donation

Moes that was super ignorant. You chose to do it so don't sick back on the argument of oh it wastes my time because if that's how you feel than don't be a bond holder.

It's been classified a service. Different from moderation. Matthew has also stated we are allowed to charge whatever we want for our service just as any booster or runescape services person would.

 

[sellinanbuyinrsgold]

Matthew has also stated we are allowed to charge whatever we want for our service just as any booster or runescape services person would.

Except boosters have to meet a requirement and they're expensive as ****.
Say for example, I'm a gold booster and I offer free services for bronze-gold 5. But there are the Diamond+ boosters that charge and they do it all.
Same thing with Bond holders except boosting is a free will service where if anyone has the skills/utilities they can do it. You can't just make a thread and all of a sudden become a bond holder. So it can't be the same thing. As i stated before to Bogdan, boosting, selling gold, skilling, questing whatever it may be the people who charge what they want is because they own the product or have the ability to do something freely (such as skilling for others). Bond holding is not the same. It's more selective.


Edit: I would be a bond holder and do it for free. But I can't because it's not up to me.

 

[Lorenzo]

I am not saying that it is that he is bitching that it is so time consuming well than he shouldn't be doing it than. He should take care of what he signed up for without bitching about it that's my point.

 

Sythe has always been open to bond holders that don't charge fees. I'm willing to bet that 1) paid bond holders will be more available 2) the same free bond holders won't be active in 6 monthd.

 

[Tyler]

Sythe has always been open to bond holders that don't charge fees. I'm willing to bet that 1) paid bond holders will be more available 2) the same free bond holders won't be active in 6 months.

I think you mean users donating for other users, which was removed because charge backs from people you donated through ended up in the user being banned.

If any person wants to become a bond holder please contact Matthew, This has been discussed before there's an obvious reason only certain members can become bond holders and why we are allowed to charge a fee for our services.



If people have issues with the fees for bond holders try this


-There's more than one bond holder, I personally do 1:1 transactions for rsgp and 1:1 paypal for people I trust. So dont assume or complain that all bond holders are the same and just looking to make money off of you.

- The requirements for donating via yourself are very small, Having previously donated $5, two weeks member and 100 ( I think) posts. Suck it up that you have to pay an extra $2 for a 5$ donation rank and donate the rest yourself. I'm taking time out of my day to help you contribute something to this website, Same as anybody else would take time out of their day to help you middleman a trade for a fee (official middlemen).

Id much rather have this current system in place than no donation system because people constantly ban evade > scam quitting the site causing Sythe's paypal to get locked.

 

[Itsmarymkai]

This is a good idea, and I agree it's unfair for newcomers to have to pay $7-$8 just to get their first donation in. I don't doubt that many users would be willing to do it for free just to help the community. Including myself. (Risk free methods)

Support.

 

[Tyler]

This is a good idea, and I agree it's unfair for newcomers to have to pay $7-$8 just to get their first donation in. I don't doubt that many users would be willing to do it for free just to help the community. Including myself. (Risk free methods)

Support.

5char and s/o ghast

There is always a risk. Even if it's nonrefundable, there are still risks.

1. RSGP: You risk being banned for RWT.
2. Bitcoins: You risk the currency devaluing in your posession.
3. Ikov: You risk being banned for breaking the rules of the server.

The list goes on.

 

I agree with charging fees on Paypal donations, but why rsgp, etc? But if the majority of sythe users could be made much more aware of donating straight to sythe via paypal with the few requirements that'd be great at the very least.

Because the rate that they can sell it is variable. They just want to sell directly to a gold seller for example, that in it of itself will make the rate low. Or maybe they could otherwise get gold at $0.30/M why would they accept it at $0.40/M when handling bonds? The only way to even begin to "Regulate" this would be setting a gold price they have to adhere by, which is an awful idea. Also keep in mind roll backs, account bans, etc are a possibility.

 

[Russian_killer1337]

Exactly, they are time consuming.

Pretty selfish comment if you ask me.

 

Pretty selfish comment if you ask me.

A bond holder puts out hours of his time, hundreds of dollars, and a risk of financial loss. They're either profiting very little or not at all. They're at a risk of financial loss (charge backs, roll backs, etc) and a single chargeback can put them in the negative without any kind of reimbursement. It isn't unreasonable or selfish for them to set their own rate of accepting RSGP or PP. Since after $5 you can donate DIRECTLY and they're mostly just providing a service (Keeping charge backs to the site down / processing alternate forms of payment.

Honestly, try for yourself. Go through the hassle of getting in contact with Matthew, put down a few hundred bucks, and then be active and available on skype to process donations for people. While you're at it I'll set the rate that you can accept RSGP to what I think is fair, and you have to take donations 1:1 via Paypal so a single chargeback or account reset on RS and you're personally out that much. Sounds fun right?

 

This brings me to what I said in the beginning, Mods do it for free, why can't you? You get free vouches, and free advertising in the User Center. No one forced you to be a bond holder, you are doing it out of your own free will.

Mods aren't putting their financials at risk.

What's the point of free advertising if you get only a vouch? After a certain amount of vouches it really doesn't matter much.

They're doing it because they get some profit. If they didn't, I doubt some would still do it. I get you should wanna do it to help the community, but at some point you need to profit for yourself while doing a service.

Mods are like volunteer firemen. Bond holders are like ponzi schemers, in a sense, that send you Facebook messages wanting you to join their scheme. Some may not be as pesky, most aren't. Might be a bad bond holder metaphor.

 

[Chris]

Mods aren't putting their financials at risk.

What's the point of free advertising if you get only a vouch? After a certain amount of vouches it really doesn't matter much.

They're doing it because they get some profit. If they didn't, I doubt some would still do it. I get you should wanna do it to help the community, but at some point you need to profit for yourself while doing a service.

Mods are like volunteer firemen. Bond holders are like ponzi schemers, in a sense, that send you Facebook messages wanting you to join their scheme. Some may not be as pesky, most aren't. Might be a bad bond holder metaphor.

Mods just said he can cancel the bond payment if it gets chargebacked, so in a sense bond holders aren't putting their financials at risk either.

 

[Tyler]

Mods just said he can cancel the bond payment if it gets chargebacked, so in a sense bond holders aren't putting their financials at risk either.

Money we can't put back into our irl funds
And if we get banned it auto gets applied to our account without reversal.


Yes our funds are at risk

 

Mods just said he can cancel the bond payment if it gets chargebacked, so in a sense bond holders aren't putting their financials at risk either.

You're without that money for some time after a chargeback, then going through the process of getting it back. Financials are at risk.