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Jεsse;3669106 said:Lol@Southpark knowledge![]()
Yes, I'm sure they banned it for health reasons, not due to any sort of Victorian-style morality.
The Book of Mormon was apparently translated from gold tablets. Only Joseph Smith saw them. How do you know that he is telling the truth?
Also, Jesus says "...I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Was he mistaken?
~XS said:1. I agree, it was probably because of health reasons.
~XS said:2. How do you know ANYTHING from the bible is true? You can't say "how do you know" about religion. It''s based on faith, not fact.
~XS2 said:3. We believe that after all the apostles died, the authority from god (priesthood) was not on the earth until Joseph Smith restored it.
doubt that mid-19th century religious pioneers knew much about the health effects of caffeine.
.Faith is irrational. The instant you leave logic and appeal to faith, you concede the debate
So Jesus was wrong when he said "the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"?
~XS said:God did, he's the one that told Joseph Smith
~XS said:...then why are we arguing about religion?
~XS said:No. We believe we are the revived church that Jesus established.
I doubt that mid-19th century religious pioneers knew much about the health effects of caffeine.
Faith is irrational. The instant you leave logic and appeal to faith, you concede the debate.
So Jesus was wrong when he said "the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"?
Yes, and Jesus also said he was the Son of God. Based on your logic, he would need a birth certificate and DNA tests for you to believe he really wasSo he says.
Shredderbeam said:I'm trying to make you come to your senses.
Shredderbeam said:Jesus built his church upon Paul, apparently, and said that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it. He established his church, proclaiming that it would never fall, and last until he returned.
alright guys. time to listen up.
I was born in Utah, and been raised a Mormon. No I don't believe some of the bullshit but a lot of it is whatever. No we don't believe in no kissing until your 16, and no caffeine. I drink monsters and mountain dew constantly. There are some Mormons (super Mormons) that follow the laws and "suggestions" down the the very last punctuation so they don't go to hell. I normally don't associate with them.
Before this discussion goes any further, I want to clear stuff up so you don't look ignorant.
Polygamy: yes we did it. It was supposedly God's will so the first Mormons could have more Mormons, because there obviously wasn't enough. We do not believe in polygamy anymore. The only sect that practices it that are sometimes confused with Mormons are the FLDS (fundamental latter day saints) Their basically a bunch of people who didn't like all the rules so made there own religion and call themselves Mormons. They are the ones behind molesting children and the Texas incident.
No sex til married: most religions believe this I believe?
can't kiss until 16: we are ADVISED not to date/kiss until 16 and ADVISED to double date until we are 18. Why? I'm not so sure. If I was going to do anything with another girl, it is more then likely going to happen when I am older. Not when I'm 14.
No caffeine:
No consumption of hot drinks: This means coffee and tea, not stuff like hot chocolate. It doesn't really matter to me because I hate coffee. Tea's not so bad but I prefer soda. The reason being is that straight up it's not good for you. Modern studies have shown that coffee is bad for your skin and teeth, and tea contains a bunch of chemicals that aren't good for you. If you think it's bullshit read this:
So it looks like it works?
And that about sums it up. We believe in the Bible fully, and the Book of Mormon. The BOM doesn't contradict in the Bible, and in some places it fills in gaps. Yes missionary's can get annoying. How would you act if you couldn't even hug a girl of watch anything or listen to music for 2 years. BTW, going on a mission is suggested, not required.
Now debate away, just don't look like an idiot. Any questions, just ask.
Jεsse;3666166 said:I live in Utah which is like.. Mormon central.
None of the kids even follow what they 'believe' in, a lot don't even go to church. Honestly, the people who are descendants of them don't even believe in stuff like "Don't drink caffeine", "Don't kiss till you're 16 (wat)"
~XS said:Yes, and Jesus also said he was the Son of God. Based on your logic, he would need a birth certificate and DNA tests for you to believe he really was
~XS said:You think one person on the internet is going to change my mind? Ive argued this with people at school and such.
~XS said:I do not consider my church to be the gates of hell. Nor is it. And can I have the Bible passage for the it would never fall, and last until he returned part?
I did not say that your church was the gates of hell. The generally interpreted meaning of that passage is: "I found my church upon you, Peter, and it shall never be overcome by anything". If Jesus was right, then the Catholic Church is the One True Church. If Jesus was wrong, then the Son of God made a mistake.
Annoying. Walking around selling me things.
Never had a Mormon come to my door, only Jehovah's.
They are annoying, honestly.. What if I came to their house while they were eating dinner or something and started preaching to them?
Guarantee they wouldn't like it because they are hypocritical bastards.

