Mormans [Lik'em or hat'em]

[bizcuits21]

Lol@Southpark knowledge

See, violent cartoon comedy shows can be helpful.

 

[~XS]

Yes, I'm sure they banned it for health reasons, not due to any sort of Victorian-style morality.



The Book of Mormon was apparently translated from gold tablets. Only Joseph Smith saw them. How do you know that he is telling the truth?

Also, Jesus says "...I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Was he mistaken?

1. I agree, it was probably because of health reasons.
2. How do you know ANYTHING from the bible is true? You can't say "how do you know" about religion. It''s based on faith, not fact. And Joseph Smith Showed them to 13 other people, only those he could trust. He also wrote down some of the inscriptions he found on the tablets and sent them to a professor in new york to tell if they were real inscriptions. The professor verified that they were. Remember, Joseph Smith was an uneducated farm boy.
3. We believe that after all the apostles died, the authority from god (priesthood) was not on the earth until Joseph Smith restored it.

And I didn't bring up my religion to get into a religious debate with everyone here at sythe, but to educate people before they go off of southpark knowledge. If you want, we can all have a go at me in the IRC sometime.

 

[Shredderbeam]

1. I agree, it was probably because of health reasons.

I doubt that mid-19th century religious pioneers knew much about the health effects of caffeine.

2. How do you know ANYTHING from the bible is true? You can't say "how do you know" about religion. It''s based on faith, not fact.

Faith is irrational. The instant you leave logic and appeal to faith, you concede the debate.

3. We believe that after all the apostles died, the authority from god (priesthood) was not on the earth until Joseph Smith restored it.

So Jesus was wrong when he said "the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"?

 

[The_Phoenix_HalfBreed]

agh, you're new,.. .seriously don't fuck with shredder, he's debated this shit longer than you have. I would debate against him but him and I share most of the same views.

 

[~XS]

^read my sig? And yes I have argued with shredder before. He tends to bring up irrelevant points and debates in circles with no real knowledge of what he's talking about

doubt that mid-19th century religious pioneers knew much about the health effects of caffeine.

God did, he's the one that told Joseph Smith

Faith is irrational. The instant you leave logic and appeal to faith, you concede the debate

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...then why are we arguing about religion?

So Jesus was wrong when he said "the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"?

No. We believe we are the revived church that Jesus established.

 

[Shredderbeam]

God did, he's the one that told Joseph Smith

So he says.

...then why are we arguing about religion?

I'm trying to make you come to your senses.

No. We believe we are the revived church that Jesus established.

Jesus built his church upon Paul, apparently, and said that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it. He established his church, proclaiming that it would never fall, and last until he returned.

 

[shakaka]

Never had a Mormon come to my door, only Jehovah's.

They are annoying, honestly.. What if I came to their house while they were eating dinner or something and started preaching to them?

Guarantee they wouldn't like it because they are hypocritical bastards.

 

[capper4lyf]

I doubt that mid-19th century religious pioneers knew much about the health effects of caffeine.



Faith is irrational. The instant you leave logic and appeal to faith, you concede the debate.



So Jesus was wrong when he said "the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it"?

Wow shredderbeam YOU HAVE DONE UR HOMEWORK! lol yea soo true what u said about thee caffeine =D they wouldnt have known that it was bad for our bodies back then it was told by the prophets thats how it came about the rule for banning smoking and alcohol and stuff like that =D

 

[~XS]

So he says.

Yes, and Jesus also said he was the Son of God. Based on your logic, he would need a birth certificate and DNA tests for you to believe he really was

I'm trying to make you come to your senses.

You think one person on the internet is going to change my mind? Ive argued this with people at school and such.

Jesus built his church upon Paul, apparently, and said that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it. He established his church, proclaiming that it would never fall, and last until he returned.

I do not consider my church to be the gates of hell. Nor is it. And can I have the Bible passage for the it would never fall, and last until he returned part?

 

[capper4lyf]

alright guys. time to listen up.

I was born in Utah, and been raised a Mormon. No I don't believe some of the bullshit but a lot of it is whatever. No we don't believe in no kissing until your 16, and no caffeine. I drink monsters and mountain dew constantly. There are some Mormons (super Mormons) that follow the laws and "suggestions" down the the very last punctuation so they don't go to hell. I normally don't associate with them.

Before this discussion goes any further, I want to clear stuff up so you don't look ignorant.

Polygamy: yes we did it. It was supposedly God's will so the first Mormons could have more Mormons, because there obviously wasn't enough. We do not believe in polygamy anymore. The only sect that practices it that are sometimes confused with Mormons are the FLDS (fundamental latter day saints) Their basically a bunch of people who didn't like all the rules so made there own religion and call themselves Mormons. They are the ones behind molesting children and the Texas incident.

No sex til married: most religions believe this I believe?
can't kiss until 16: we are ADVISED not to date/kiss until 16 and ADVISED to double date until we are 18. Why? I'm not so sure. If I was going to do anything with another girl, it is more then likely going to happen when I am older. Not when I'm 14.

No caffeine:



No consumption of hot drinks: This means coffee and tea, not stuff like hot chocolate. It doesn't really matter to me because I hate coffee. Tea's not so bad but I prefer soda. The reason being is that straight up it's not good for you. Modern studies have shown that coffee is bad for your skin and teeth, and tea contains a bunch of chemicals that aren't good for you. If you think it's bullshit read this:



So it looks like it works?

And that about sums it up. We believe in the Bible fully, and the Book of Mormon. The BOM doesn't contradict in the Bible, and in some places it fills in gaps. Yes missionary's can get annoying. How would you act if you couldn't even hug a girl of watch anything or listen to music for 2 years. BTW, going on a mission is suggested, not required.

Now debate away, just don't look like an idiot. Any questions, just ask.

Yea a mission is 2 years long and i dont think to go on a mission is required but its ment to be a big experience if you do. apparently going on a 2 year mission is the same as going to church for 50 years every sunday so yea plus to go on a mission u have to be active in the church and following the rules.

 

[capper4lyf]

I live in Utah which is like.. Mormon central.

None of the kids even follow what they 'believe' in, a lot don't even go to church. Honestly, the people who are descendants of them don't even believe in stuff like "Don't drink caffeine", "Don't kiss till you're 16 (wat)"

Lol o wow i thought like 90% of Utah was Mormon?

 

[Pin0y-baller]

I played basketball and hung out with a few mormons and I think they are pretty cool. Havn't had one knock on my door though.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Yes, and Jesus also said he was the Son of God. Based on your logic, he would need a birth certificate and DNA tests for you to believe he really was

Any sort of empirical evidence, really - as long as it was a bit more than "well he said he was".

You think one person on the internet is going to change my mind? Ive argued this with people at school and such.

Consider my arguments and logic, not the arena where the debate takes place.

I do not consider my church to be the gates of hell. Nor is it. And can I have the Bible passage for the it would never fall, and last until he returned part?

I did not say that your church was the gates of hell. The generally interpreted meaning of that passage is: "I found my church upon you, Peter, and it shall never be overcome by anything". If Jesus was right, then the Catholic Church is the One True Church. If Jesus was wrong, then the Son of God made a mistake.

 

[capper4lyf]

I did not say that your church was the gates of hell. The generally interpreted meaning of that passage is: "I found my church upon you, Peter, and it shall never be overcome by anything". If Jesus was right, then the Catholic Church is the One True Church. If Jesus was wrong, then the Son of God made a mistake.

If your saying the mormon curch is falling in numbers it is actually gaining numbers but many are getting unactive in the church but more are coming at the same time plus it would stil be many years before jesus would come back to earth.

 

[Anti-Virus]

Don't even have any of those on Gran Canaria..

(~XS keep it up, I'm cheering for you, the way you debate that is )

 

[SwiftSeller]

Annoying. Walking around selling me things.

 

[capper4lyf]

Annoying. Walking around selling me things.

LOl? mormons don't sell you things..in fact they give free things away about the church...

Never had a Mormon come to my door, only Jehovah's.

They are annoying, honestly.. What if I came to their house while they were eating dinner or something and started preaching to them?

Guarantee they wouldn't like it because they are hypocritical bastards.

Lol ok well Jehovah's pretty much completely different to mormons on the way how they go door knocking and stuff.
Mormons go door knocking to see if your interested in there church and try to explain to you abit more about there church not invite u over for tea and hope u will come along..lol

 

[Habbo User]

LOlage Mormons are kul i meet some when i was like 12 and they played Bbal with me and my mates