Merch clan ranks

[Classics]

Nobody reported zephyr to have scammed but he still got banned.

I believe Plznate reported his pm where he explains how pretty much all merch clans work and that they involve some kind of scam or deceitful behavior

 

[Plznate]

I feel so confused because on one hand you layed down the law with zephyr and his merchin. On the other hand Plznate doing THE EXACT same thing because what is selling ranks?... its giving you the right to early stock on an item before everyone els in the public cc.. What is plznate doing? he's cutting ranks but goes straight to selling stock. Nobody reported zephyr to have scammed but he still got banned....

What comes across adamantly is the simple pure fact that if you have a certain amount of vouches and that you are a sythe postaholic you may reach a stage that plznate has and become above any rules or regulations. Because it certainly feels that he can get away with murder on this site.

Lol. I have a service in which I provide essentially rsgp through the vehicle of merch stock. My service delivers: I have controls set in place that if I do not achieve what I have promised my customers, then they will be refunded appropriately (however I have thus far done exactly what I have promised). I make no wild claims about making billions of gp from buying ranks, nor do I dump on the customers. If you feel that providing a legitimate service with precautions in place to protect the customer is "being above the rules... and getting away with murder" then you have a skewed view.

And in reality, I feel as if this is simply a misplaced personal argument considering I achieved what you could not (shall I link to where you attempted to sell your 600% inflated merch stock right before it crashed?).

Enough said really.

 

[Min]

I'm not in the position to make insane arguments, but isn't this how 90% of the merch clans work? To date, I only know two merch clans which I know are legit ones that don't dump on the public.

I do not see why a TwC would be needed? Selling ranks in a merch cc is a very lucrative business and most people I know that have bought merch ranks in the past are all pretty satisfied about them and shouldn't be considered scamming at all? I believe dumping early on the public isn't either... The only people that are affected are merch clan members that aren't necessarily affilliated to Sythe, people joining these clans will have made some profits and getting rid of their crashing stock has to happen anyways; wether it be at dump price or before dump price...

It's not a very honorable way of making money on the advantage of others, I agree to that, but why should we care about morality on RuneScape all of a sudden? Luring has always been tolerated on Sythe (I've based this statement on a guide I've found here) which is in my eyes way more severe than dumping early.

 

[Ndaha]

Support

 

[Plznate]

Lol so you want to play that card Plznate.

I'll brb i'll construct a reply later on this is for keeping my spot.

Not playing any cards man, its just one minute you are congratulating me on a good business model that offers a good service to the customers and saying its smart, then the next you are claiming that I am "getting away with murder"?

I promised to 2x people's money. I have done so for 90% of the customers so far. If I provide the service I claim to provide, in a cheap and safe manner, with precautions, safety nets, and very specific terms of service in order to protect my customers, I see no issues with it.

 

[Classics]

I'm not in the position to make insane arguments, but isn't this how 90% of the merch clans work? To date, I only know two merch clans which I know are legit ones that don't dump on the public.

I do not see why a TwC would be needed? Selling ranks in a merch cc is a very lucrative business and most people I know that have bought merch ranks in the past are all pretty satisfied about them and shouldn't be considered scamming at all? I believe dumping early on the public isn't either... The only people that are affected are merch clan members that aren't necessarily affilliated to Sythe, people joining these clans will have made some profits and getting rid of their crashing stock has to happen anyways; wether it be at dump price or before dump price...

It's not a very honorable way of making money on the advantage of others, I agree to that, but why should we care about morality on RuneScape all of a sudden? Luring has always been tolerated on Sythe (I've based this statement on a guide I've found here) which is in my eyes way more severe than dumping early.

If one person is not allowed to to it (zephyr) then it should be against the rules for the rest.

 

[FireZ]

Still under discussion. I am seeking a ban for 100% of merch rank sales. PLznate is exempt as he isn't selling ranks.

 

[cosrob97]

Still under discussion. I am seeking a ban for 100% of merch rank sales. PLznate is exempt as he isn't selling ranks.

It should be: Everybody is exempt that doesn't sell ranks, but only sells merch stock.


Everybody should have the same rights.

 

[Badasshybrid]

Rank buying is just bs, stock would be way better much more safe

 

[Classics]

It should be: Everybody is exempt that doesn't sell ranks, but only sells merch stock.


Everybody should have the same rights.

That's my whole point

 

[FireZ]

I never said it wasn't for everyone. Plznate is the only person doing his type of service at the moment thats working.

 

[cosrob97]

Not trying to kill Plznate's business, but going through the last 200 pages with the words of "merch stock" shows a pretty bleak view of people selling merch stock. They are people selling what they claim to own all of it, even though there's another 3-4 thread with people having 60k of the item, people selling crashing items just to get rid of it, selling stock that doesn't reach the goal, and much more...


People claiming they own all the items:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=943958&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=922987&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=919532&highlight=merch+stock


A person selling Plznate's merch stock:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=944422&highlight=merch+stock

To me, this should be allowed, as the guy selling might need the money for something important. Also, what's telling him that you're not allowed to buy and sell items you have paid for. It's like buying and reselling account, totally allowed.


People selling crashing stock:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=949919&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=920460&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=874268&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=731566&highlight=merch+stock (some people say he sold them some crashing items)
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=898141&highlight=merch+stock (last page)


Misc - people trying to sell merch stock that never did go anywhere:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=926592&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=922778&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=898141&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=867684&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=857783&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=789563&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=789563&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=766377&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=714996&highlight=merch+stock




Now you might say Plznate will do it differently, but what happens if 2 private clans merch the same item, and the other clan dumps before Plznate's clan? The item will crash and everybody in Plznate's clan would be scammed. Plznate would have to pay everybody back, so they'll get back with real life money, but loose their runescape money.

 

[insanosky]

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?p=7436648#post7436648

If he got banned for doing what every merch clan does I don't think the selling of merch cc ranks should be allowed on Sythe. Every merch clan technically scams the public as they do dump before they inform the public non-ranks or they dump below the price they tell these non-ranks to dump the item at.

True, but basically he its just selling the "status" you can do anything with that status.

Its like donating to get 100$ donator rank...( it would be easier to scamm being 100$ donator... cuz people trust them more, dont say no its true).
Sythe just gives you the rank, but he its not responsabile if you scamm or not.

We have had many examples of ranked people scamming, but we still have ranks.

Do not support.

 

[Classics]

True, but basically he its just selling the "status" you can do anything with that status.

Its like donating to get 100$ donator rank...( it would be easier to scamm being 100$ donator... cuz people trust them more, dont say no its true).
Sythe just gives you the rank, but he its not responsabile if you scamm or not.

We have had many examples of ranked people scamming, but we still have ranks.

Do not support.

You either did not read the thread or just do not understand the concept

 

[Plznate]

"A person selling Plznate's merch stock:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=944422&highlight=merch+stock

To me, this should be allowed, as the guy selling might need the money for something important. Also, what's telling him that you're not allowed to buy and sell items you have paid for. It's like buying and reselling account, totally allowed."

This was a member who bought stock from me and charged back the paypal funds.



"Now you might say Plznate will do it differently, but what happens if 2 private clans merch the same item, and the other clan dumps before Plznate's clan? The item will crash and everybody in Plznate's clan would be scammed. Plznate would have to pay everybody back, so they'll get back with real life money, but loose their runescape money."

Lol trust me, its not possible for two clans, unless they are working together or have the same owner, to manage to stock the same item.

Not saying your wrong really, but every merch clan on Sythe has failed, so I would support if they so no selling ranks on Sythe. Merch stock, people should buy at their own risk, in the same fashion they should choose carefully who they buy gold from.

 

[Ndaha]

Not trying to kill Plznate's business, but going through the last 200 pages with the words of "merch stock" shows a pretty bleak view of people selling merch stock. They are people selling what they claim to own all of it, even though there's another 3-4 thread with people having 60k of the item, people selling crashing items just to get rid of it, selling stock that doesn't reach the goal, and much more...


People claiming they own all the items:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=943958&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=922987&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=919532&highlight=merch+stock


A person selling Plznate's merch stock:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=944422&highlight=merch+stock

To me, this should be allowed, as the guy selling might need the money for something important. Also, what's telling him that you're not allowed to buy and sell items you have paid for. It's like buying and reselling account, totally allowed.


People selling crashing stock:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=949919&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=920460&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=874268&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=731566&highlight=merch+stock (some people say he sold them some crashing items)
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=898141&highlight=merch+stock (last page)


Misc - people trying to sell merch stock that never did go anywhere:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=926592&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=922778&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=898141&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=867684&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=857783&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=789563&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=789563&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=766377&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=714996&highlight=merch+stock




Now you might say Plznate will do it differently, but what happens if 2 private clans merch the same item, and the other clan dumps before Plznate's clan? The item will crash and everybody in Plznate's clan would be scammed. Plznate would have to pay everybody back, so they'll get back with real life money, but loose their runescape money.

I find it slightly abnormal to call my uncut red topaz " a merch that went nowhere"... when infact i had 890m of topaz at cost of 287 each. Then i brought them from 287 to 1777 each ( at the point where i couldnt take them any further because of financial reasons) so you basically do 890m x 6
thats 5300m but since it was a Duo i made around 2.4b profit from it.

So please remind me what gives you the bloody right to tell me it went nowhere when i made 100x your bank.

 

[cosrob97]

Misc - people trying to sell merch stock that never did go anywhere:

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=926592&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=922778&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=898141&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=867684&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=857783&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=789563&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=789563&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=766377&highlight=merch+stock
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=714996&highlight=merch+stock

I find it slightly abnormal to call my uncut red topaz " a merch that went nowhere"... when infact i had 890m of topaz at cost of 287 each. Then i brought them from 287 to 1777 each ( at the point where i couldnt take them any further because of financial reasons) so you basically do 890m x 6
thats 5300m but since it was a Duo i made around 2.4b profit from it.

So please remind me what gives you the bloody right to tell me it went nowhere when i made 100x your bank.

Read it carefully this time. It clearly says, "tyring to sell merch stock" not if the merch went anywhere

So here's a gif you should watch before you ever post again:

This was a member who bought stock from me and charged back the paypal funds.

I'm fine with Alt closing the thread if that's the case

Lol trust me, its not possible for two clans, unless they are working together or have the same owner, to manage to stock the same item.

Not saying your wrong really, but every merch clan on Sythe has failed, so I would support if they so no selling ranks on Sythe. Merch stock, people should buy at their own risk, in the same fashion they should choose carefully who they buy gold from.

Trust me it is possible, it happened to a private merch clan. We had about 6b worth of the item and another clan had an x amount of items. They dumped it and everybody in our clan got scared and dumped it as well, the chain affect >.<

You can say it's their own risk of buying clan ranks as well. What's the difference between ranks and stock? You don't get a rank, but you get the item instead? Let's take out your idea of the return of X amount of money after the item doubles, what's the difference?


Btw, the paying people back the money was great idea. Probably your best bet if I don't ruin it for everybody >.>

 

[Min]

What is up with this?

Selling merch stock is allowed. Selling ranks is basically the same thing. A rank gets the merch stock item announced before the others of the clan do + in some cases some starting merch stock gets delivered for those that have bought a rank. Just by cutting out the "ranks" as Nate is doing all of a sudden does make this justified? At Nate's, one should buy merch stock, (read: a "rank") every time a new merch item is picked, whilst at Zephyr's one that has bought a rank simply acquires merch stock at every new start of a merch. Even if the public would get deceived by dumping early, I'm trying to find a rule on Sythe where this wouldn't be allowed? Once again, if they didn't deceive the public and they simply kept the merch item bought out until the dump price they stated to the public, I can tell you now that either the public would flip on them (dump early) or the public would have to get rid of their crashing junk anyways. Wether it be at dump price or a little before the dump price, they're still going to have to get rid of it.

Just for the record, I'm not trying to shut down Nate's business, nor any merch stock service whatsoever, as I believe this is a very efficient way to get money transferred quickly. I'm merely trying to understand what is so wrong about these types of services? And how come all of a sudden morality on Sythe should block anyone from helping Sythe members gaining some money on RuneScape.

Or am I totally missing the point here...

 

[Bubba Fuzz]

I think selling stock is perfectly fine but selling ranks hasn't gone over to well here so I'm for banning them

 

[Ndaha]

I think selling stock is perfectly fine but selling ranks hasn't gone over to well here so I'm for banning them

Dude selling ranks and selling stock is THE SAME THING
so if u want rank bannedthen you want also stock banned because buying ranks allows you early stock.
Buying stock gets you early stock.

And am sure you gonna come back twist it all and find a way to differentiate the two
truth is u can't and so both should be banned.