Make a sticky in support section or spam forum or another forums.

I'm most likely going to get banned but hey may as well help other dnt's

DNT question

By this thread with screen shot , it shows the difference of opinion on the rules that dnt are allowed between sythe staff and sythe himself,

I feel as if there needs to be clearer sticky outlining what dnt's are allowed and not allowed to do,

This sticky is not enough If you have the DNT rank you must not attempt to trade because a lot of members who are currently dnt most likely had the same idea's as me that you are allowed to as long as your sythe account is not involved in any shape or form as if you were one of countless member's without a sythe account who use these forums.

everything needs to be covered in this sticky.

Example
DNT mean you can't do any form of trading on this site,
You can't trade with any under any circumstances. this includes gambling, trading, services or any other form which involves your money exchanging hands or you offering your item for money in return. DNT only limit's you on this site and not other sites, so you can go trade on powerbot, tribot, hack forums etc.

DNT's are allowed to enter in some community events but it limits you in some of the community, for example, you can't become member of the month, you can't enter some community events (they will be displayed on the thread), you can't use some of your donor perks (if you are a donor) and you can't pm people or display your mini ranks.

DNT is the first step into rejoining the community, the benefits of it compared to being banned are quite simple really, you can be involved and talk to the community and be a member of the forums which if you are staff will it look at it and it will benefit you future pardon . if your an active member you can request a pardon every 3 months instead of 6.

If you have any questions regarding dnt please feel free to pm me or are staff members on discord, here the invite link Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers

 

[Sneaky]

I honestly think that rule should be changed. I don't understand how what you do on a different trading website matters here on sythe. That's like getting banned from Walmart and then they say you aren't allowed to go to Target anymore.

 

[EditMyThread]

All in all, I'm all for any and every inconvenience that DNT users might have. If you want to be able to freely trade and do business without being worried about being banned, you shouldn't have screwed someone over in the first place.

That being said, I think the rule is being misinterpreted. You obviously can/have the right to trade and do business AWAY from Sythe. So as long you don't use Sythe as a platform to facilitate such dealings.

 

bump feel like this issue is important

 

[Pain]

This makes no sense.

If the trade isn't on sythe.org itself it shouldn't be grounds for a ban.

I know for a fact DNT's have sold me plenty of gold and bought gold to because I've vouched them afterwards and realized who they were.

What do you expect DNT to do if they make their income from RS, just not trade with any gold sites at all? How is that going to help anyone get repaid?

Forget outlining that rule, abolish it.

 

[tMoon]

Fully support clarification. I (and some other staff for sure) have been operating under a clause of "if it's off Sythe, not our business" so not regulating DNT users attempting to trade as long as they were not actively seeking out members on Sythe.

We haven't had much trouble with it so I imagine it's been a case-by-case thing.

I'll provide more thoughts later/draft up a sticky (likely tomorrow) as I am on mobile, but yeah, some clarification may be needed

 

That's kind of absurd. Sythe wants to not police the internet, yet when you are DNTed on Sythe you can't trade anywhere? Kind of hypocritical. Typical

 

At the moment if a user goes to another sythe user's gold site and buys something from them then we treat that transaction as though it occurs on sythe.

Therefore the existing rule seems to be that any two sythe members transacting anywhere are subject to the sythe rules.

Logically it follows that a DNT member can't trade a non DNT member offsite.

However as staff have pointed out we haven't been enforcing this rule. Our staff act as courts not police. We can't police offsite activity.

Frankly DNT users should just repay what they owe and pardon.

We're not going to address any scam reports involving non-DNT users who get scammed when trading DNT users.

And although it's against the rules for DNT users to trade as I said if it happens offsite we're not policing it.

 

[Sneaky]

At the moment if a user goes to another sythe user's gold site and buys something from them then we treat that transaction as though it occurs on sythe.

But the whole point is that it's NOT on sythe. What we are trying to say is, sythe has no power over what we do offsite. Doesn't matter if you police it or not, (though why make a rule if you won't enforce it?) it's still not sythe's business.

 

Frankly DNT users should just repay what they owe and pardon.

Just to reply to this part not all dnt's pardons are successful even though they aren't a threat to the community even if they repay example me.

but all that is need is clarification on what were allow to do and what were not allowed to do since I try to follow sythe rules like I always have. (besides in spam forums were I try troll people but it's the spam forums)

Fully support clarification. I (and some other staff for sure) have been operating under a clause of "if it's off Sythe, not our business" so not regulating DNT users attempting to trade as long as they were not actively seeking out members on Sythe.

We haven't had much trouble with it so I imagine it's been a case-by-case thing.

I'll provide more thoughts later/draft up a sticky (likely tomorrow) as I am on mobile, but yeah, some clarification may be needed

I love you <3

 

But the whole point is that it's NOT on sythe. What we are trying to say is, sythe has no power over what we do offsite. Doesn't matter if you police it or not, (though why make a rule if you won't enforce it?) it's still not sythe's business.

This would mean we don't hear cases where the users communicated over any platform except the sythe discord and PM system. That would exclude most cases we hear.

 

At the moment if a user goes to another sythe user's gold site and buys something from them then we treat that transaction as though it occurs on sythe.

Therefore the existing rule seems to be that any two sythe members transacting anywhere are subject to the sythe rules.

Logically it follows that a DNT member can't trade a non DNT member offsite.

However as staff have pointed out we haven't been enforcing this rule. Our staff act as courts not police. We can't police offsite activity.

Frankly DNT users should just repay what they owe and pardon.

We're not going to address any scam reports involving non-DNT users who get scammed when trading DNT users.

And although it's against the rules for DNT users to trade as I said if it happens offsite we're not policing it.

Question. Someone comes on a website to buy gold and then promptly chargesback and wins. Upon contacting a staff member with proof and the IP of the scammer to see if it matches a Sythe member, it's revealed that the member is DNT. This would then just be dismissed and the DNT member does not owe any additional money because staff will not address it?

 

[Sneaky]

This would mean we don't hear cases where the users communicated over any platform except the sythe discord and PM system. That would exclude most cases we hear.

Ok let's say for example they are trading 07 for an account and there's a thread on sythe made by the seller and they communicate over skype. That is something sythe would handle since it originated from sythe. But on a gold site if they are talking through live chat that originated from the site owner, then sythe shouldn't have power over that. That's just my opinion, feel free rebuke this if I got anything incorrect

 

Question. Someone comes on a website to buy gold and then promptly chargesback and wins. Upon contacting a staff member with proof and the IP of the scammer to see if it matches a Sythe member, it's revealed that the member is DNT. This would then just be dismissed and the DNT member does not owe any additional money because staff will not address it?

If it can be shown that they knew or could reasonably have known they were trading with a DNT then we wouldn't handle it as a scam report.

If you trade with a banned member or a DNT member and you get burnt we don't care. The warning is there for a reason. If you want coverage do your due diligence.

We would still accept evidence relating to additional debts if the DNT tries to pardon.

It's the same set of rules as if you were trading with someone who is banned. DNT is a subclass of ban.

 

If it can be shown that they knew or could reasonably have known they were trading with a DNT then we wouldn't handle it as a scam report.

If you trade with a banned member or a DNT member and you get burnt we don't care. The warning is there for a reason. If you want coverage do your due diligence.

We would still accept evidence relating to additional debts if the DNT tries to pardon.

It's the same set of rules as if you were trading with someone who is banned. DNT is a subclass of ban.

So it's still added to the debt total, but they will still remain DNT?

 

So it's still added to the debt total, but they will still remain DNT?

It's moral hazard.

We give clear instructions: do not trade with this user they are not on the level. You trade anyway, you get burnt then you expect us to further punish the user. No. Do your due diligence. You're got exactly what you asked for.

We're not wasting staff resources on banning and unbanning DNTs everytime some idiot trades them.

From a DNT you can get banned for attempting to trade on site. Since you don't have PMs this is basically limited to posts that attempt to trade. You can also be banned for breaking community rules like spamming in the wrong section. And you can be permed for an indictable offence, just like everyone else.

 

Fully support clarification. I (and some other staff for sure) have been operating under a clause of "if it's off Sythe, not our business" so not regulating DNT users attempting to trade as long as they were not actively seeking out members on Sythe.

We haven't had much trouble with it so I imagine it's been a case-by-case thing.

I'll provide more thoughts later/draft up a sticky (likely tomorrow) as I am on mobile, but yeah, some clarification may be needed

@Tmoe any update on this?

 

[tMoon]

@Tmoe any update on this?

Staff is currently discussing some possible clarifications

 

[Lean]

At the moment if a user goes to another sythe user's gold site and buys something from them then we treat that transaction as though it occurs on sythe.

Therefore the existing rule seems to be that any two sythe members transacting anywhere are subject to the sythe rules.

Logically it follows that a DNT member can't trade a non DNT member offsite.

However as staff have pointed out we haven't been enforcing this rule. Our staff act as courts not police. We can't police offsite activity.

Frankly DNT users should just repay what they owe and pardon.

We're not going to address any scam reports involving non-DNT users who get scammed when trading DNT users.

And although it's against the rules for DNT users to trade as I said if it happens offsite we're not policing it.

I don't agree with that, mainly because you are basically saying that if someone google searches "buy/sell RSGP" and decides to complete a trade and then just because the other user has a sythe account (even though they didn't use sythe.org to find that website) They will be banned for violating their DNT?

 

[Lean]

It's moral hazard.

We give clear instructions: do not trade with this user they are not on the level. You trade anyway, you get burnt then you expect us to further punish the user. No. Do your due diligence. You're got exactly what you asked for.

We're not wasting staff resources on banning and unbanning DNTs everytime some idiot trades them.

From a DNT you can get banned for attempting to trade on site. Since you don't have PMs this is basically limited to posts that attempt to trade. You can also be banned for breaking community rules like spamming in the wrong section. And you can be permed for an indictable offence, just like everyone else.

And on top of my previous post, not everyone who has a DNT has it because they owe people money