Is suicide right?

[|0|]

You sound like you're trying to take a purely logical stance towards suicide. Well humans aren't logical creatures.

This made me laugh, shall I assume that you aren't logical? If so then I won't bother replying as without logic, one could just say "Suicide is right because I knew someone that committed suicide." That is awful reasoning.

So, take it this way. There are 2 main cases of suicide:

1. A permanent problem (such as losing a loved one)
2. A potentially temporary problem (being obese, losing a job, etc.)

In my opinion, the 2nd main cause of suicide isn't justifiable.
But, depending on the circumstances, if you commit suicide, it can cause "A permanent problem (such as losing a loved one)". If you're a parent that commits suicide, it will cause a permanent problem to your child. Should your child commit suicide too? No.

 

[Snoopchicken]

In my opinion, the 2nd main cause of suicide isn't justifiable.
But, depending on the circumstances, if you commit suicide, it can cause "A permanent problem (such as losing a loved one)". If you're a parent that commits suicide, it will cause a permanent problem to your child. Should your child commit suicide too? No.

Yes, I also agreed to the second case of suicide not being justifiable.

Also, about your other point, I agree as well - I don't think anyone should ever commit suicide, but I can see it as more understandable than the other case.

 

[The Spacelab]

In my opinion people shouldn't suicide no matter the problem.
There's solutions to most problems if you really try hard to
solve it. If someone committed suicide because a loved on, like
being cheated on, that's not good, they probably put that person fully
into their life.

If a girl of my dreams cheated on me, I'd just go get drunk
and go to the club with all kinds of beautiful women

 

[Promethium91]

This made me laugh, shall I assume that you aren't logical? If so then I won't bother replying as without logic, one could just say "Suicide is right because I knew someone that committed suicide." That is awful reasoning.

It is debatable that I'm not arguing from a logical viewpoint, but an emotional one. While I won't say that a suicide can't be for logical reasons, I would say that generally it is because of emotional ones.


It doesn't have to have reason, the fact is it's hurting the person regardless. I wouldn't go as far to say that suicide is 'right', but it definitely isn't wrong. It's an easy way out for people suffering, that's what I'm arguing, and I find solace in the fact that they aren't suffering any more.

 

[|0|]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I know that suicide is caused by emotional reasons. I was just saying that you must argue with logic.

You are using logic to debate that the fact people cause suicide is for emotional reasons.

 

[TheGoon]

A lot of banter back and forth, so i will keep my opinion short:

Suicide, IMO, is very very selfish.. the debate on whether it is right or not isn't really tangible. How could taking your own life be the right answer? To think, I will kill MYSELF to fix MY problem... ME. ME. ME... ME. You have to think about the outside sources and people that would be affected by such a grim act. I understand depression, but there is always help. (including, but not limited to meds...)

I've been pretty depressed at a few points in my life but suicide was never even an option... Why take away your chance to fix the cause of your sorrow? I was never really one to give up. Especially on life.

 

For most cases of suicide it isn't right.
But if I was to choose between myself committing suicide or everybody I love dying, then I'd commit suicide.

 

[Ginger.James]

It all depends down to the individual, I personally believe it's wrong and in some cases I believe it can relate to possible mental health issues of that individual.

I'll always remember a quote attached to it however - "It's a permanent solution to temporary problems".

 

[Snoopchicken]

"It's a permanent solution to temporary problems".

This quote is highly shunned by psychologists and psychiatrists, because it's not a viable solution. There could be better solutions out there.

 

[|0|]

A lot of banter back and forth, so i will keep my opinion short:

Suicide, IMO, is very very selfish.. the debate on whether it is right or not isn't really tangible. How could taking your own life be the right answer? To think, I will kill MYSELF to fix MY problem... ME. ME. ME... ME. You have to think about the outside sources and people that would be affected by such a grim act. I understand depression, but there is always help. (including, but not limited to meds...)

I've been pretty depressed at a few points in my life but suicide was never even an option... Why take away your chance to fix the cause of your sorrow? I was never really one to give up. Especially on life.

But there's also the fact that people that are considering suicide are unfortunately, thinking irrationally.

 

[Rejection]

I'd like to invite you two to rid yourselves of ignorance and read my post.

Depression and suicidal thoughts aren't like a fucking cold, you can't just take some cough syrup and go about your day. It's a serious mental problem.

There is no reasoning provided behind why these people are pathetic, that's not an argument that's just an opinion without any support. Calling all people who commit suicide pathetic is just fucking stupid, you don't know the situation of every single person who ever commits suicide, and don't reply and back pedal saying there are exceptions now.

Permanently stupid? It's a permanent solution to a potentially temporary problem.

Who are you to say their posts were ignorant? They stated their opinion based on their thoughts on Suicide, which is exactly what the thread demanded. Your opinion was molded by your experience, and your train of thought. While one person can say it's "pathetic", another can say it's perfectly right. Don't pretend your post is fact, please..

In my opinion, I believe suicide is cowardly in some respects, but I can see several points of view that allow me to ignore my own, and respect somebody else in their decision. If I ever found myself contemplating suicide, I would sit down with myself and consider my options, and find another way of sorting out my life, but that is me. Just because somebody finds it's the easy way, as you said, that doesn't make it the right way, and some just see it as an infinite end to the pain they are consistently, or temporarily suffering. Also, I believe different people have different tolerances to what they can handle. Some people can keep living in pain, getting nowhere, allowing themselves to constantly be down, and do nothing. Some people, however, can give up at the first hurdle. This is SFA, and is subject to opinion. There is no such thing as ignorance without experience here.


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Also, you have no idea what the word 'solution' means when used in a typical social context. When I say to you, for example, in a normal conversation about an issue we're having, "Lets think of a SOLUTION", that would mean SOLVING the problems, not DESTROYING YOURSELF IN ORDER TO ERADICATE THEM.

If you kill yourself, the problems which caused you to do so, in most cases, remain - You're just not there to experience them. That's not a solution, buddy, that's a smokescreen, if you will.

 

[|0|]

Offtopic but,

Some people, however, can give up at the first hurdle.

I knew someone that was doing a 110m hurdle race, he hit the first hurdle and walked off the track...

Coach was mad.

 

[nodnarbusn]

i think suicide is a personal decision made by people with personal issues, we can and wont ever truly understand the mindset of the ones who committed suicide, all this judgmental bullshit and name calling really shows the ignorance of the posters . It being a PERSONAL decision puts it in the realm of other PERSONAL decisions, like why are some people homosexual (i know some people "are born homosexual" but thats another thread)? Who knows why but they have every right to be that way. its their life if they dont want to live it i think they have every right to do what they want with it. Think of it this way if we were all given $1000.00 that only you could spend and not give away would you condemn people who choose not to use it ? Peoples personal lives/choices should not be condemned and judged upon by their fellow man its simply not our place . The only part of suicide that perturbs me is the fact that often times the people who loved them suffer, but to ask them to stick around to simply satisfy the people that love them is really and truly the selfish act, if they are miserable and cant sort these things out for themselves they shouldnt be coerced into staying and constantly suffering. I do agree that this shouldnt be something done anytime someone is sad and upset and that they should seek other methods of resolving the issues at hand, but if they ultimately decide to off themselves.. who am I (or YOU) to judge their decision

 

[|0|]

You obviously don't choose to be homosexual.
So you're basically saying, who cares if someone commits suicide?
Ex: "Your uncle just committed suicide." "Who cares. He's dead now and can't feel anything."

You can judge the persons decision if it will affect you. But if it's just a stranger that you don't know, you can still think that it's a stupid idea.
Ex: If someone is Christian I will still respect them even if I think it's stupid.

 

[The Riddler_]

i think suicide is a personal decision made by people with personal issues, we can and wont ever truly understand the mindset of the ones who committed suicide, all this judgmental bullshit and name calling really shows the ignorance of the posters . It being a PERSONAL decision puts it in the realm of other PERSONAL decisions, like why are some people homosexual (i know some people "are born homosexual" but thats another thread)?

Being homosexual isn't a decision, because it's not a choice. As you didn't choose to be heterosexual, it's the same thing.

I do agree that this shouldn't be something done anytime someone is sad and upset and that they should seek other methods of resolving the issues at hand, but if they ultimately decide to off themselves.. who am I (or YOU) to judge their decision

Who am i to judge? The person has chosen a radical alternative to a temporary first world problem. Anyone who has lived has been extremely lucky to be born in the first place, and those who throw it away because of irrational, clouded, emotional thoughts. It is what it is. I'm not going condemn the man for making the choice, I believe anyone should have the choice, but it doesn't mean that it's a "right" thing to do with better options/treatment.

 

[Fayded]

Suicide is a permanent solution to an often temporary problem.

I also think it's just an easy, cowardly, and selfish way out.

 

[mage3158]

Suicide takes many forms for many reasons.

I do not inherently think suicide is wrong, I do think it is too rash in most instances, not thought through for the consequences of the action.
Most people should heavily consider all options before picking suicide, because most tend to forget the things in life worth living for, the joys that are there waiting to be done.
There's something for everyone, despite what they might think. Their judgments are clouded, and without help can be acted on quite quickly.

That's not to say that's true for all cases, especially those in chronic pain, or those stuck with terminal illness. But I've seen cases of people attempting
suicide because of their odor. Tell me how well thought out that is.

 

[Rockerr]

Suicide is weak, if you can't stand up to your problems and do anything to solve it or walk away from it you're being stupid and selfish.

 

[GFYson96]

Personally I think suicide is the weakest way you can go out in life, not to sound all preachy but if u can't handle what life is giving to you then why we're u even born on this world in the first place? To struggle through it

 

[mage3158]

Suicide is weak, if you can't stand up to your problems and do anything to solve it or walk away from it you're being stupid and selfish.

What about the person in extreme, chronic pain everyday? Want him to just suck it up or get release?

Some people wouldn't even consider it living; food for thought ya know?